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Myst Override
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:07:00 -
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Why do I have such a hard time finding victims? I keep having this urge to blow something up in 1. to .4 space. I travel thru these systems but all I ever find I are pirates that are 1-2 years older than me trolling the systems, or the occaisonal well protected mining op. COuld be Im just not cut out fer loner pirating. |
Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Myst Override
Why do I have such a hard time finding victims? I keep having this urge to blow something up in 1. to .4 space. I travel thru these systems but all I ever find I are pirates that are 1-2 years older than me trolling the systems, or the occaisonal well protected mining op. COuld be Im just not cut out fer loner pirating.
Perhaps you are in the wrong area. Perhaps PvP university is having an effect on the eve populace. Just attack those AGONY guys, they are all carebears.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:13:00 -
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A lot of the pirates are just as easy I mean like the poster said about himself is pretty much true for majority of all of them. Pirates should get pirated too =)
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Handon Guild
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Myst Override
Why do I have such a hard time finding victims? I keep having this urge to blow something up in 1. to .4 space. I travel thru these systems but all I ever find I are pirates that are 1-2 years older than me trolling the systems, or the occaisonal well protected mining op. COuld be Im just not cut out fer loner pirating.
Perhaps you are in the wrong area. Perhaps PvP university is having an effect on the eve populace. Just attack those AGONY guys, they are all carebears.
qft 
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
A lot of the pirates are just as easy I mean like the poster said about himself is pretty much true for majority of all of them. Pirates should get pirated too =)
They run away too much and use too many stabs. There is currently no counter for coward tactics in the game. We still pop them all the time but getting a pirate that is not just being arrogant or stupid is pretty hard. They will sit at 100km sniping and using alts to get the loot and if you drop in on them, they will warp off before you can lock them because they are aligned and stabbed.
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
A lot of the pirates are just as easy I mean like the poster said about himself is pretty much true for majority of all of them. Pirates should get pirated too =)
They run away too much and use too many stabs. There is currently no counter for coward tactics in the game. We still pop them all the time but getting a pirate that is not just being arrogant or stupid is pretty hard. They will sit at 100km sniping and using alts to get the loot and if you drop in on them, they will warp off before you can lock them because they are aligned and stabbed.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
A lot of the pirates are just as easy I mean like the poster said about himself is pretty much true for majority of all of them. Pirates should get pirated too =)
They run away too much and use too many stabs. There is currently no counter for coward tactics in the game.
Far as I know Warp scramblers/Disruptors counter stabs. Got to adapt better...
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We still pop them all the time but getting a pirate that is not just being arrogant or stupid is pretty hard. They will sit at 100km sniping and using alts to get the loot and if you drop in on them, they will warp off before you can lock them because they are aligned and stabbed.
Yep it's how it's goes. Yet there is a number of things people don't understand when dealing with sniping pirates. A lot of pirates don't roam and they stick to the same camping spots if not the same 3 spots. When pirates camp this way it's much eaiser book marking there key locations or atleast the gate where you can predict they might be. Another thing is range, range is easily predictable on where around gates or stations they will be.
It's hard yet it's really not. It takes work to get there and yet noone wants to get up. Then when they actually get to that point the target just runs off (WCS). You would think the AI on humans would be smarter than that but none the less it can be done.
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Lucia Warbler
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:54:00 -
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Too many pirates? Yes. Try pirate hunting instead, tempter. There are plenty of new pirates born every day in hopes of easy victims, murderous life and wealth beyond their wildest dreams.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.05.09 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Far as I know Warp scramblers/Disruptors counter stabs. Got to adapt better...
The problem is not scramblers. The problem is that the target is aligned and in motion already (if they've half a brain) and as soon as they see you dropping out of warp (can't get a lock yet) they warp to their safe.
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Yep it's how it's goes. Yet there is a number of things people don't understand when dealing with sniping pirates. A lot of pirates don't roam and they stick to the same camping spots if not the same 3 spots. When pirates camp this way it's much eaiser book marking there key locations or atleast the gate where you can predict they might be. Another thing is range, range is easily predictable on where around gates or stations they will be.
The smart snipers are using cov ops alts to act as mobile bookmarks, not using fixed bookmarks.
Stabbed sniping is currently the closest thing to an unbeatable tactic in Eve, particularly if the sniper is a smart one. The biggest justification I can think of for nerfing stabs is the untouchable nature of snipers.
At best you can keep them safed by keeping a counter-sniper on the gate in question...or just set some fighters on the sniper and force them to keep moving. You probably won't take out the sniper, but you'll keep the system open for commerce.
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.05.09 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: duffmantt on 09/05/2006 16:12:24
yas but gar, sniper setups with stabs, are ok, very hard to kill, but they cant kill much themselves.
you need the lows for dmg mods and tracking, if you fit stabs, youve got much decreased damage, and its much harder to hit things. 'every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction'
in this case, the reaction for the stabs, is a phenominally gimped setup.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.05.09 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: duffmantt
in this case, the reaction for the stabs, is a phenominally gimped setup.
Oh, indeed. If you can actually get on top of a sniper and keep 'im from running...a thorax will be more than enough to finish 'im off.
Problem is that the weakness is often not something you can take advantage of...but they're still able to take full advantage of their strengths (range, damage.)
Snipers are such a headache for me not so much because I get blown up by them (just as they're taking very little risk, they'll get very little reward against a smart pilot) but because I can't get them.
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.05.09 16:31:00 -
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yes, targets are getting low, and it'll likely force me and my guys to move our area of operations around a bit to get some action 
damn sig hijack!!11!
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.05.09 16:31:00 -
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yes, targets are getting low, and it'll likely force me and my guys to move our area of operations around a bit to get some action
damn sig hijack!!11!
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Saltire
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Posted - 2006.05.09 16:38:00 -
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Duffmant is a bit slow, my tempest with t2 1400's 3 gyros, and tremmor kicks out a 17.2 dmg mod, 9.75 ROF, and hits anything from 250-700 per gun. I made loads of money sniping, i removed the stabs and have 2 pdu's/shield tank for 40-50km PWNING with Quake.
yes lots of pirates about but kill them to, just treat lowsec like 0.0. kill anyone not blue and pod them
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General Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.05.09 17:23:00 -
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Well targets are etin lower cuz ppl are geting smarter . Today even a 3 day old knows to keep an eye on the local and dock when a -2 jumps in . And nowdays u will rarely see ppl rating or mining on their own whidout 2 or 3 stabs . Only comple n00bs go to 0.4 whidout stabs or well rounded gang .
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.09 17:52:00 -
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It's more about the alts than about the WCS/Sniping. Alts see you first and they're gone. I wouldn't use WCS's on a snipe pirating setup unless I had noone watching my back.
So in short. The argument is flawed. People can't play eve without alts. The sad thing is, noone see's it as a big deal.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.05.09 17:59:00 -
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Lack of people in the belts more like.
Nothing like jumping in a low-sec system with 40 people in it, watching your scanner spin overtime and then realizing every single person is doing a mission and the belts are all empty.
I really hope the new probing/scanning system makes busting mission runners practical, that would open up so many oppertunies. Right now probing one down requires a miracle.
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Avernus
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Posted - 2006.05.09 18:19:00 -
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Interdictors, covert ops, a bit of coordination = dead sniper. Everything requires a touch of luck ofc, but snipers aren't immune.
Ex-JCoS, Ex-Diplomat, Ex-Councilor, Ex-CEO
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.09 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
A lot of the pirates are just as easy I mean like the poster said about himself is pretty much true for majority of all of them. Pirates should get pirated too =)
They run away too much and use too many stabs. There is currently no counter for coward tactics in the game. We still pop them all the time but getting a pirate that is not just being arrogant or stupid is pretty hard. They will sit at 100km sniping and using alts to get the loot and if you drop in on them, they will warp off before you can lock them because they are aligned and stabbed.
How ignorant.
First, 151+ is the preferred sniping range :p 
But seriously, you talk about stabs making it hard to kill pirates!!???!!!! Stabs are why I, as a pirate, have started sniping for isks. I tried the "honorable" way of sitting by my lonesome on a gate and tanking sentries and I've spent my first two years in Eve fully embracing the virtues of belt piracy to their fullest. Yet the stab wearing carebear all too often just shlobs and bobs on that stab to the extent that I'm just wasting my time because too many 'bears just end up running from even fights.
Heck, that goes 10 fold for so called anti-pirates. They NEVER engage when it's even up. If they don't have me and my bud by 5 to 2 or 6-8 to 2, they run.
So basically a week or so again I decided it was time to turn a page and embrace whatever it took to get the kill, even if that meant -10 and sniping.
Let me tell ya, I don't know what the hell I was waiting for. I should have done what I did tactics wise a long time ago.
So for the OP, stop embracing silly "valorous" ideals like belt hunting or this or that....decide you will do whatever it takes to get the kill and do it! If's it's sniping, so be it. Shoot the carebear\anti-pirate in his stab-fitted ship! See how much his stabs help him then!
Have fun! That's what Eve's all about.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.09 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: duffmantt
in this case, the reaction for the stabs, is a phenominally gimped setup.
Oh, indeed. If you can actually get on top of a sniper and keep 'im from running...a thorax will be more than enough to finish 'im off.
Problem is that the weakness is often not something you can take advantage of...but they're still able to take full advantage of their strengths (range, damage.)
Snipers are such a headache for me not so much because I get blown up by them (just as they're taking very little risk, they'll get very little reward against a smart pilot) but because I can't get them.
And because of this and with people with some smarts like Mr. Garreck here, I've implemented a tactic whereby I keep a precision missile equipped Raven safespotted and ready to assist my sniping team in case someone in a vigilant or smaller shows up  It's always a matter of staying a step or two ahead of the carebear\anti-pirate.
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.09 19:03:00 -
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whats PvP university , is it like star war accademy?
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cytomatrix
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Posted - 2006.05.09 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchuss
whats PvP university , is it like star war accademy?
A pvp university of the noobs, by the noobs, for the noobs.
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Dynast
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Posted - 2006.05.09 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
But seriously, you talk about stabs making it hard to kill pirates!!???!!!! Stabs are why I, as a pirate, have started sniping for isks. I tried the "honorable" way of sitting by my lonesome on a gate and tanking sentries and I've spent my first two years in Eve fully embracing the virtues of belt piracy to their fullest. Yet the stab wearing carebear all too often just shlobs and bobs on that stab to the extent that I'm just wasting my time because too many 'bears just end up running from even fights.
This position always boggles my mind. You're going after targets which are fitted for PvE, not PvP. Targets which are (judging by the fact that they're ratting) more interested in PvE than PvP. Targets which lack sufficient skills or funds to rat in 0.0 where the profits are something like 100x higher. And targets which based on my experiences are unlikely to have any sort of interest in or aptitude for PvP, because let's face it.. most people just don't have the competitive edge.
Yet you consider a 1v1 fight with someone ratting in 0.1 - 0.4 to be an even fight?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.09 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: cytomatrix
Originally by: Bacchuss
whats PvP university , is it like star war accademy?
A pvp university of the noobs, by the noobs, for the noobs.
you mean rells corp?
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.09 22:57:00 -
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you mean rells corp?
Thread winnar.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.05.09 23:55:00 -
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Food chain
Big bad piwates Snigg/TDG/BOB(lol)/veto
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Somewhat bad piwates Mafia/nerft/others
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meh pirates Random small corps
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Teh noob pirates people in noob corps trying out pirating for a liveing
Npcers V
Miners V
As you can see, the bigger pirates kill the smaller pirates.
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Michayel Lyon
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
How ignorant.
First, 151+ is the preferred sniping range :p
But seriously, you talk about stabs making it hard to kill pirates!!???!!!! Stabs are why I, as a pirate, have started sniping for isks. I tried the "honorable" way of sitting by my lonesome on a gate and tanking sentries and I've spent my first two years in Eve fully embracing the virtues of belt piracy to their fullest. Yet the stab wearing carebear all too often just shlobs and bobs on that stab to the extent that I'm just wasting my time because too many 'bears just end up running from even fights.
Heck, that goes 10 fold for so called anti-pirates. They NEVER engage when it's even up. If they don't have me and my bud by 5 to 2 or 6-8 to 2, they run.
So basically a week or so again I decided it was time to turn a page and embrace whatever it took to get the kill, even if that meant -10 and sniping.
Let me tell ya, I don't know what the hell I was waiting for. I should have done what I did tactics wise a long time ago.
So for the OP, stop embracing silly "valorous" ideals like belt hunting or this or that....decide you will do whatever it takes to get the kill and do it! If's it's sniping, so be it. Shoot the carebear\anti-pirate in his stab-fitted ship! See how much his stabs help him then!
Have fun! That's what Eve's all about.
You are totally correct. I consider myself a carebear and an anti-pirate. A few of my latest engagements, where I initiated the fights, involve a 6vs1, a 3vs1, a 2vs1, a 5vs2 and a 4vs1.
In the 6vs1 I warped into a SniggWaffe group and started blasting away at the t1 cruisers and frigs. They almost jammed me to death, but I got out in structure. 0 kills, if I remember correctly.
The 3vs1 was me warping in on a NUBS gang, consisting of a cruiser and two inties. I killed the cruiser and one inty, and got into a stalemate with the last inty. I couldn't hit him, and he couldn't break my tank. I finally got out because he was pulsing his warp scrambler to save cap. 2 kills, but had to leave my drones.
The 2vs1 was my cruiser against a cruiser and a frig. Easy kills, not much to talk about.
The 5vs2 was me and a corp mate against 5 NUBS in t1 cruisers and t2 frigs. We got 3 kills, and both of us survived.
The 4vs1 was actually me alone in a battleship, against 4 SNIGG battleships (well, actually it was 3 SNIGG and 1 ex-SNIGG). Suffice to say, I lost.
And no, I don't fit stabs in PvP ships. The only time I fit stabs is when I'm doing missions, mining or transporting stuff. The only people I've encountered that use stabs in PvP are pirates and people in battleships with sniper setups.
Didn't your mommy tell you over-generalization is bad for you?
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:44:00 -
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Another post thats gone into a Stab whine. Myself? Never used stabs. Not on my Frigs, AF's (Cost me a fully Tech 2 Fitted Enyo), Cruisers, BS, HACs etc etc.
When have i used stabs? Say im transporting a ton of Tech II Gear through low sec space in my Megathorn my setup will be:
NOS on the highs
MWD and maybe Jammers on the Meds
Lows 4 WCS the rest Nanofibres
PVP? Never any stabs as i belive thats whats going to COST you your ship
But as what Myst Override said. Losts of times i've been running around and finding Pirates... But then, out in a gang we found 5 targets so guess its just luck unless the area is FULL of pirates
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.05.10 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Food chain
Big bad piwates Snigg/TDG/BOB(lol)/veto
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Somewhat bad piwates Mafia/nerft/others
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meh pirates Random small corps
V
Teh noob pirates people in noob corps trying out pirating for a liveing
Npcers V
Miners V
As you can see, the bigger pirates kill the smaller pirates.
Indeed.
I would also like to throw out an idea - this is the logical result of our piracy actions. We force people to deal with PvP, and instead of learning how to fight like they should, they merely pack stabs on - fought a Ferox 2 days ago, 4 stabs in the lows, which he could have used to fight my inty better.
Unless we get more noobs coming into lowsec to replace the people that loadout in 100% stabs or move back to highsec to avoid pirates, we're gonna see a net drop in targets. In some regions, it can kill belt piracy as there is no one left to hunt, leaving only the gatecamp (ran across 5 tonight ) - food for thought.
damn sig hijack!!11!
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.10 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 10/05/2006 13:34:07
Originally by: Benglada
Food chain
Big bad piwates Snigg/TDG/BOB(lol)/veto
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Somewhat bad piwates Mafia/nerft/others
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meh pirates Random small corps
V
Teh noob pirates people in noob corps trying out pirating for a liveing
Npcers V
Miners V
As you can see, the bigger pirates kill the smaller pirates.
ummm It's more like this
People who can fight (You know the corps)
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People who can't fight but believe they can (Empire Pirate Corps)
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New pirate corps
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Npcers
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Daniel Jackson
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Miners
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