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Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.10 07:41:00 - [91] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/05/2006 07:44:37 Originally by: Sessho Seki Translation: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" How about this, by all means shut up, put your 2 cents back into your piggy bank (because noone here wants them), and put your whining into ambition. Quit yer yapping and come up with something better. CCP made a press release for E3. Press releases are carefully considered constructs. That means CCP has known that factional warfare would be in a later release within the Kali patch series probably at least for weeks already. They failed to tell us about that as little as two weeks ago. Actually, they said all was well with Kali. And actually, they've done nothing to suggest that factional warfare was no longer part of the initial Kali release. While I know CCP are nice guys and have made a great game, they are and remain lacking in their communication on some ccasions. This would be one of them. Typically, the patch path of one expansion is drawn across the course of a full year (see Castor, see Exodus). So if we assume that this indeed indicates a closing of that path with factional warfare features, that means you'll see factional warfare about a year from now if you are lucky. It was originally mentioned for release in the initial Kali expansion which was planned for a Q3 2005 or Q4 2005 (!!!) date, and has been put off not further then Q2 2006 as far as wT've officially been informed by CCP. Now, we already know it's going to be Q3 2006 at soonest. What we did not know is that the intial patch will not contain the major feature of the whole Kali expansion: factional warfare and the dynamic content creation it allows. And that, to say the least about having to get it from a damn press release we weren't even supposed to be reading yet, is rather dissapointing. It makes me wonder what it will contain (or at least what CCP plan on putting in it at this time)... Power to the players !
Ixianus	Posted - 2006.05.10 08:09:00 - [92] Edited by: Ixianus on 10/05/2006 08:09:58 I have to agree with Rod on this rather key issue. Factional warfare was to be one of the pivotal implementations of Kali, along with massive environments, and potentially planetary flight. Lets hope that factional warfare was sacraficed in order to promote something more interesting, such as medium scale planetary interaction or some such. It truly will be dissapointing if it were axed only in favor of graphical updates.
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.05.10 08:13:00 - [93] Originally by: Ixianus Edited by: Ixianus on 10/05/2006 08:09:58 I have to agree with Rod on this rather key issue. Factional warfare was to be one of the pivotal implementations of Kali, along with massive environments, and potentially planetary flight. Lets hope that factional warfare was sacraficed in order to promote something more interesting, such as medium scale planetary interaction or some such. It truly will be dissapointing if it were axed only in favor of graphical updates. Same here. But this isn't the first time CCP has done this. Rod is onto it. -=====-
Albus	Posted - 2006.05.10 08:29:00 - [94] Originally by: Redundancy Hammerhead linked the press pack in the E3 dev blog, so it's fine. These are ingame screenshots of new content (work in progress though) running on the current engine with pixel and vertex shaders which run on most current hardware. So is the current engine getting an upgrade at some point too then, as well as work being done on the Vista engine?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.05.10 08:51:00 - [95] i'd take sexy new models and textures over faction warfare tbh ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.10 09:01:00 - [96] Originally by: Jim Raynor i'd take sexy new models and textures over faction warfare tbh ^^^^^ ---------------- teqNo > I don't read eve-o forums, they bore me
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.05.10 09:23:00 - [97] Originally by: Jim Raynor i'd take sexy new models and textures over faction warfare tbh QFT- New gfx ftw then teh faction warfare.
Ozzie Asrail	Posted - 2006.05.10 09:52:00 - [98] Those screenys look great, but factional warfare was a pretty interesting part people were looking forward too. On the otherhand I think it is soemthing that could benifit from alot of ballancing and testing before it goes live. end of year - 2007 is a bit of a kicker tho... ----- Geotech is recruiting!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:14:00 - [99] To be fair, the extended release was hinted at in a recent dev blog. Can't remember which, but it was definitely there...
SonOTassadar	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:20:00 - [100] Originally by: Rod Blaine -snipped- If I ever see you I will seriously pod you, and I'm a carebear. Go play SWG, WoW, or Everquest, where you'll get all of the content in one big lump, but you'll have to pay $30 each time to do so. I can't believe you would complain about something free. I really, honestly, hate people like you. ___________________________
R Dan	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:32:00 - [101] I'm fine with CCP moving release dates around. so long as when they release the content its more balanced and working better than if they'd released it "on time". Its unrealistic to try and hold them to dates when there are so many variables to take into account. PS those gfx really look nice :) I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes when come back ... bring PIE. Me like PIE. -Capsicum
Skarsnik	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:33:00 - [102] Tbh Guys and Gals, have you ever thought that CCP want EVE to still be on the competative edge of MMO gaming. A lot fo new MMO's are heading out and most have a superior graphics engine. Does it not make financial sense for them to focus initially and bringing the graphics upto a better spec. We all know that spiffeh graphics attract more paying customers than gameplay at this time. People who've just bought a new game like to go WOW look at that. I'm all for the delays to Factional Warfare if it brings in more subscribers which in turn can pay for yet more developers to bring the date forward on the final Kali Deployment. I do agree with Rod in that this could have been communicated out a little better, but in all honesty has CCP ever been clear as glass when it comes to how deployments go. However they are very good at communicating with the playerbase in the general sense, which is more than I can say for other MMO companies. ------------------------------------------------- AWMCorp is Recruiting EVE-Ink - An Tattoo Project Based on EVE-Online
Fortior	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:48:00 - [103] I think we all got a bit ahead of ourselves thinking: "OMG KALI! FACTIONAL WARFARE THE INSTANT KALI HITS! WEEE!". We had reason to believe Kali would come in a series of content patches and assumed factional warfare would be one of the first things to be released. I for one am glad that they moved it back. If they feel they needed to do it, they usually have a very good reason. It will quite literally change EVE in most aspects and I'd hate to see EVE break because of a bad/bugged implementation. I can't really recall that any dev said that factional warfare would be among the first additions, but that doesn't stop people from assuming so.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.10 10:51:00 - [104] I was thinking about typing up some really good argumente here but i think i come up with this instead: WAHHWAHHWAHHWAHH!
Callistus	Posted - 2006.05.10 11:02:00 - [105] Personally I'm not at all worried or upset that ccp is taking their time with factional warfare, its a radical and huge introduction to the game and I'd much rather they take longer and get it right. I'm just too happy about these awesome new models (and the fact that they're only DX9 and not the vista-only ones) to be angry at CCP right now. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.10 11:11:00 - [106] I agree, but there's always a couple of forum-warriors from the permanently bitter battallion who go "hey why is my free glass of juice and complimentary cake only half full and the cake doesent have whipped cream on it blah blah look @ my ego" or things to that effect ---------------- teqNo > I don't read eve-o forums, they bore me
Fortior	Posted - 2006.05.10 11:22:00 - [107] Edited by: Fortior on 10/05/2006 11:21:54 Originally by: keepiru I agree, but there's always a couple of forum-warriors from the permanently bitter battallion who go "hey why is my free glass of juice and complimentary cake only half full and the cake doesent have whipped cream on it blah blah look @ my ego" or things to that effect Speaking of which, where's Avon?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.10 11:47:00 - [108] Originally by: SonOTassadar Originally by: Rod Blaine -snipped- If I ever see you I will seriously pod you, and I'm a carebear. Go play SWG, WoW, or Everquest, where you'll get all of the content in one big lump, but you'll have to pay $30 each time to do so. I can't believe you would complain about something free. I really, honestly, hate people like you. Rofl, you're welcome to try anytime m8. Sorry, but you hate me because I point out to CCP in a somewhat constructive albeit agressive manner that their communication regarding this particular delay is kind of crappy ? Way to go on the overreacting part my friend... Anyway, I'm an Eve Fanboy with a capital F, and yes, I have a personal taste that prefers empowering features like factional warfare and the contract system over simple content like a couple new ship models yes. But that doesn't mean I can't live with CCP's choices on the matter, as long as they let us know about them. Sure, graphics overhaul, great stuff. But what I wonder now is where for example the contract system comes in with Kali. Is that postphoned to a later release patch as well ? Because that's another of those things that's been in the works since like 2004 and inherently extremely promising as a feature. And what about those other neat features ? What it comes down to is not that i criticise CCP's way of deploying expansions and patches. They do that in installments and always have, and I agree with that method wholeheartedly. What I do not agree with however is having to find out from press releases that weren't released to the playerbase but only to outside sources, what the Kali feature-release schedule looks like in a general sense. I'd have expected information like that to reach us first tbh. We've only been giving input to CCP in assistance to their work for like 3 years. I'd say that warrants some information as to what the general plan is doesn't it ? I love CCP's work, and you'll be hard pressed to see a post more full of clear admiration for it in that thread about Eve's ecent borthday then mine. That however doesn't mean I have to pull my punches when I do disagree with something they did. And I know they don't mind too much that I do it this way either Power to the players !
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:01:00 - [109] I was hoping for Factional Warfare the day I noticed NPC pirates in belts. Not better graphics.
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:24:00 - [110] Yeah, I love the game and the effort yadda yadda yadda, but I'll agree with Rod. Factional warfare has been long in the coming and in fact, I expected something like that to be in the game when I first heard about it, so I'm definately waiting for that aspect to come. This game will not be "complete" without it.
Parallax Error	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:46:00 - [111] Gameplay > Bells and Whistles Thats my tuppence.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:29:00 - [112] Reading "In Development" may also give clues as to what's being worked on and in what order...
RedClaws	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:39:00 - [113] hahaha and this is still the old engine with the new stuff on it : i can't wait to see the full new engine
Lethlia	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:42:00 - [114] I was kinda worried about factional warfare myself. In some ways I'm actually glad to hear it's been pushed back, I have some fears that it's implimentation will do more harm than good. Personally I can wait a year for them to balance it and make sure it doesn't wreak the game when it comes out.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:58:00 - [115] I'd have loved to see the Typhoon or a Scythe/Scimitar with the new grafics. The effect of light on the ships is a wee bit to weak for my taste. All the nice highlighting and stuff often doesn't show the details when you're in space, especially in those system with a red background. The Typhoon has a metallic plating on the outside, it just doesn't show in many systems. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Erosie	Posted - 2006.05.10 17:33:00 - [116] I bet these new graphics will put us back to the lag status before RmR. haha..
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.11 01:33:00 - [117] Originally by: Kimshee Yong I've found some images from the new engine and of particular the Abaddon. I've chatted with Chribba about this and he's allowed me to upload it for now, unless CCP request it to be deleted. CCP If you wish this deleted I wholeheartedly understand but the public needs this image to feed the 'I want the new engine' hunger. Abaddon There are more but I WILL NOT POST OR UPLOAD ANYMORE UNLESS ALLOWED TO BY CCP. You know, the whole pack of current upgrade models is availiable for download... The new scorp and Apoc look hot.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.11 01:40:00 - [118] Originally by: Fortior Edited by: Fortior on 10/05/2006 11:21:54 Originally by: keepiru I agree, but there's always a couple of forum-warriors from the permanently bitter battallion who go "hey why is my free glass of juice and complimentary cake only half full and the cake doesent have whipped cream on it blah blah look @ my ego" or things to that effect Speaking of which, where's Avon? Didn't he keep saying he was quitting because of the 4S incident? Maybe he was serious and his subscription finally ran out.
Sessho Seki	Posted - 2006.05.24 09:35:00 - [119] Originally by: Rod Blaine Quit yer yapping and come up with something better. CCP made a press release for E3. Press releases are carefully considered constructs. That means CCP has known that factional warfare would be in a later release within the Kali patch series probably at least for weeks already. They failed to tell us about that as little as two weeks ago. Actually, they said all was well with Kali. And actually, they've done nothing to suggest that factional warfare was no longer part of the initial Kali release. While I know CCP are nice guys and have made a great game, they are and remain lacking in their communication on some ccasions. This would be one of them. Typically, the patch path of one expansion is drawn across the course of a full year (see Castor, see Exodus). So if we assume that this indeed indicates a closing of that path with factional warfare features, that means you'll see factional warfare about a year from now if you are lucky. It was originally mentioned for release in the initial Kali expansion which was planned for a Q3 2005 or Q4 2005 (!!!) date, and has been put off not further then Q2 2006 as far as wT've officially been informed by CCP. Now, we already know it's going to be Q3 2006 at soonest. What we did not know is that the intial patch will not contain the major feature of the whole Kali expansion: factional warfare and the dynamic content creation it allows. And that, to say the least about having to get it from a damn press release we weren't even supposed to be reading yet, is rather dissapointing. It makes me wonder what it will contain (or at least what CCP plan on putting in it at this time)... WOW! Just WOW! And I thought Dark Shikari was slow on the up-take. You are the one whining, and you got scolded for being a whiner. Three words apply to you: SUCK IT UP! YouÆre telling ME to come up with something better? Moron, youÆre the one whining about how nothing is going your way, so by all means shut up and put your money where your mouth is, because IÆm sure the devs could use a laugh at your expense when you attempt to beat them at their own game. IF you want to be an idiot, youÆve succeeded with profound proportions, but how about you just shut up, stop being a useless and unhelpful troll whining about things that are NOT IN YOUR CAPABILITY TO CHANGE ANYWAY, and be patient. For GodÆs sake, if youÆve played the game for more than a month, the first thing that ALL players know by then is that NOTHING in EVE is in an overly large hurry to get done, and if you really expect all the dominoes to fall just how you want and when you want them, then simply look to all the other delays, unseeded items, abilities that have no skills to let players access them, and countless other things that CCP is still working toward tying all the loose ends up on. If you have no threshold of patience for such things, then by all means get the hell out, and donÆt let the jump-gate hit you on the way out.

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