I'm playing EVE since 2006 i have nothing to trane anymore lol) i'm thinking about newcommers))

Time for Caldari Titan 5 then.

I'm playing EVE since 2006 i have nothing to trane anymore lol) i'm thinking about newcommers))

I'm playing EVE since 2006 i have nothing to trane anymore lol) i'm thinking about newcommers))

Malcanis law applies here.

I'm playing EVE since 2006 i have nothing to trane anymore lol) i'm thinking about newcommers))

1) instant gratification types never stick around anyways. i doubt that any faster training scheme will increase player retention. in fact, the opposite is true. so long as their is a goal to be still achieved, ppl are more likely to stay.

2) there is already one for new players. ppl should stop trying to disguise terrible idea's as good for new players. Players wasting skill points early on is not a problem either. a day, a week, a month, is nothing in eve. saying no to this idea is not adding an initial barrier.

3) Yes. Everything else being equal, a person who buys these will perform better than those who dont.

4) After seeing the jita protest, any pay to win idea has more risk of CCP losing revenue as a large amount of players leave with their armies of alts.

3) Everything else being equal, a player with cruiser 5 has an advantage over someone with cruiser 4

I really do not understand what peoples problem is with this and why everyone goes 'SHIELDS UP - PAY TO WIN DO NOT WANT'.

At what point does anyone lose?

I don't consider myself to be a grammar ****, but If you want to debate the topic please at least do me the courtesy of avoiding cheap shots utilizing the word 'u'

Simple: because paying to ignore game mechanics is an inherently bad idea.

There is only one consequence: it means you are allowed to play the game differently just because you pay for it. This is a bad consequence. It doesn't matter how small or large the effect is; the distinction between what one player can do within the realms of the game mechanics and what another player can do within the realms of the game mechanics should always come out as zero. Such distinctions are normally called by a few different, much uglier names: GÇ£expoitGÇ¥, GÇ£cheatGÇ¥, or even GÇ£hackGÇ¥. They are usually not allowed exactly because they create this distinction GÇö they make the game work differently for different players. Just because you pay for it doesn't mean this kind of game-breaking distinction goes away, it only means the game developer is trying to cash in on a truly awful design flaw.

As for your consequences, #1 doesn't exist: the barrier to entry to try a new aspect is already roughly zero, courtesy of the skill mechanics in the game. #2 is self-defeating: this idea benefits older players far more than new ones (in fact, it doesn't benefit new players at all). #3 is incorrect: paying to ignore game mechanics is pay-to-win regardless of how small the game mechanic is that you ignore. #4 is incorrect: introducing P2W will not let the handfull of remaining players make up for the massive loss it will incur. So the only positive consequence is one that the game has already done away with, making the entire idea pointless.

Everyone loses the instant it becomes possible to skip game mechanics. That's why exploits, cheats, and hacks are things that any sane game developer bans players for, including CCP. Put another way: game developers in general are more willing to lose money than to allow the kind of gameplay differentiation this idea promotes.

no. and it could have only been a cheap shot, if u were also making a cheap shot to CCP and the majority of EVE's player base. if u dnt like ur arguments being turned around where appropriate, then dnt use them.

no in reality it wont be equal, but this boost wont just be used by ppl with less experience or pilot skill, it will also be used by those with good experience and pilot skill to give their new alts even moar of a boost. Therefore the argument where all else is equal is valid.

If the barrier to entry to a new aspect is roughly zero, then surely a focused Indy pilot who spent his first 3 months station trading, can just hop into a cov ops, scan down a 6/10 DED site, and then get into his T3 cruiser or hac alternative and run it solo right?

It is not a hack, exploit or un fair advantage

If an indy-focused pilot wants to try the exploration aspect of the game, he needs to train a few scanning skills and a frigate skill (which he most likely already has). Total time: maybe an hour.

Getting into two radically different, highly specialised ships and going after mid-level content in a highly competitive environment does not constitute GÇ£trying a new aspectGÇ¥. What you're describing is GÇ£making a career ofGÇ¥ that part of the game.

So yes, the barrier of entry is roughly zero..

Im not advocating they should be able to reach that point instantly. but you should be able to reach that point faster