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Bjoern Bitter	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:28:00 - [1] Hello all, I only recently took the role of Tribal Souls Diplomat. Before I start, I would like to thank all my diplomatic counterparts. These are interesting times for the South. I'll document things as they have fallen so far: After the first war accouncement, ASCN sent in scouts / coverts / etc etc so we replied with our own. Hostilities started shortly after - mainly with gank fleets on both sides. The next day, ASCN set up a POS in MP5 - it is still there as are the Tribal Souls POSes. The station in MP5 remains in Tribe hands. A couple of days later, ASCN came to their prime target H8- and put up 2 large POS to counter the 2 existing Tribe posses in the system. They brought in a fleet of 200+ and 14 dreads to put our posses in reinforced mode. After DT the same day, A Smoske Memorial station in H8- fell to ASCN forces (last night). We've been battling all over the map fighting ASCN. Both sides are playing their strenghts making for interesting battles. Our tactics thus far have earned us decent kills on ASCN targets - BoB / VC / SE and others have taught us well (thanks for all the practice). I'm proud of our field commanders - they're doing a great job. With all the rumours and flames and trolls running around the forums I thought it best to leave a thread of my war diary. I will remain impartial to both sides and record events as they occur here. Regarding the station in H8-, I would like to thank ASCN for not changing the name. From what I hear, Smoske had many friends in the game. It's unfortunate I never met him. I would ask that the station retain the Smoske name forever (regardless of who controls the station). Bjoern Bitter CEO ANZCS Tribal Souls Diplomat
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:36:00 - [2] seems like a good idea.
SaorAlba	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:37:00 - [3] Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug.
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:38:00 - [4] Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. Was just going to say that. :) ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:42:00 - [5] Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P Die, die, die.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Regarding the station in H8-, I would like to thank ASCN for not changing the name. From what I hear, Smoske had many friends in the game. It's unfortunate I never met him. I would ask that the station retain the Smoske name forever (regardless of who controls the station). do not worry about that. General consensus in the alliance (for what I've seen) is to keep the name, even if the stations names are bugged atm. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.10 12:55:00 - [7] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P You mean 'GM's don't know much about this game' ? --
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:21:00 - [8] Nice start, please keep us updated of events. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Fred0	Posted - 2006.05.10 13:23:00 - [9] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P Should petition and get some D2 banned tbh for naming their station like that ---
Deidranna	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P Should petition and get some D2 banned tbh for naming their station like that nonono ^^ the name is from the previous station owner :) d Please keep sig height under 120 pixels. Mail [email protected] for info - Cathath
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.10 14:25:00 - [11] Don't think they'd change the name even if they could. I still have a loss mail from when Smoske light up my kestrel. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Adam Weishaupt	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:28:00 - [12] Good update, Bjoern. Wouldn't want to leave Axiom Empire out, though, I've seen a fair number of them around. Most ASCN/AXE pilots have been good sports and I've enjoyed fighting them so far. Keep it coming.
Neslo	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Kaiu You mean 'GM's don't know much about this game' ? Well I think it's more, the GM's have no logs to prove we can't change the names of our station. From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Deidranna Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P Should petition and get some D2 banned tbh for naming their station like that nonono ^^ the name is from the previous station owner :) d We know this, but we pretend that we don't, and get few G ups D2 banned. joke ofc. Die, die, die.
Leno	Posted - 2006.05.10 15:43:00 - [15] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Deidranna Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P Should petition and get some D2 banned tbh for naming their station like that nonono ^^ the name is from the previous station owner :) d We know this, but we pretend that we don't, and get few G ups D2 banned. joke ofc. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.05.10 16:32:00 - [16] yay somebody actually mentioned AXE for once \o/ seriously tho, why is it whenever i just leave to go dock somewhere something shows up to shoot that i can actually lock before the ceptors get the kill! I demand that you all fly dreads so i can get a lock! j/k doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Dan Black	Posted - 2006.05.10 16:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Regarding the station in H8-, I would like to thank ASCN for not changing the name. From what I hear, Smoske had many friends in the game. It's unfortunate I never met him. I would ask that the station retain the Smoske name forever (regardless of who controls the station). do not worry about that. General consensus in the alliance (for what I've seen) is to keep the name, even if the stations names are bugged atm. Thumbs up. Respect. "A Stabber is an awesome ship, thank god not many people agree."
Deidranna	Posted - 2006.05.10 16:42:00 - [18] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Deidranna Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P Should petition and get some D2 banned tbh for naming their station like that nonono ^^ the name is from the previous station owner :) d We know this, but we pretend that we don't, and get few G ups D2 banned. joke ofc. haha shakes fist we knew it can't beat 'em in space. sent the gms to do the job joke ofc deidranna Please keep sig height under 120 pixels. Mail [email protected] for info - Cathath
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.05.10 18:08:00 - [19] In all seriousness to Tribal, you all need to look to the future and how you can continue on against ASCN even in the worst case scenario of losing all the bases you hold now that are conquerable. Persistence and resolve will break the hobbit in a way that 200 dreads could never. If you can find a way to keep the hobbit miner away from his veld\ark, you can create all sorts of internal problems for them. This requires a long term commitment to harassing them and killing them. For you alts bashers..... /rude Don't have time for you. This is solid advice and Tribal might see more help coming there way in the future if they will just demonstrate resolve as is encompassed in the aforementioned advice.
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.05.10 18:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Leno Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Deidranna Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: SaorAlba Atm you can't change the name of any station taken over. It's a bug. I bet GMs love this bug :P Should petition and get some D2 banned tbh for naming their station like that nonono ^^ the name is from the previous station owner :) d We know this, but we pretend that we don't, and get few G ups D2 banned. joke ofc. First tiem i ever saw that in BKG i was expecting a Cyno filed and ovuer in a Titan going "MOAHAHAHAHAHA DIE DIE DIE DIE " and then poof goes the station . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.05.10 18:16:00 - [21] i named the station in bkg btw "gm's have no clue about the game" mainly due to an office bug they wouldnt sort
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.10 19:31:00 - [22] Edited by: Dao 2 on 10/05/2006 19:31:21 oveur isn't a gm though ;p and hes cool the gm's i dunno, they might know about the game. but i think theyre ****IGN lazy ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Sextus Licinius	Posted - 2006.05.10 20:35:00 - [23] Hmm so actually Tribal Souls have a chance to fight off ASCN/Axiom forces? Or is this just pep talk? "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.05.10 20:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Hmm so actually Tribal Souls have a chance to fight off ASCN/Axiom forces? Or is this just pep talk? well.. as naverin has reported allready we cant outblob em if that was news to anyone well i dunno.... besides that i think we are doin better than expected, kills should be pretty even. if we dont fall apart due to some carebears missing their roids to much i think this is gonna last for a while and its gonna be lots of fun for everyone --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Johnny Wulgaru	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Cummilla In all seriousness to Tribal, you all need to look to the future and how you can continue on against ASCN even in the worst case scenario of losing all the bases you hold now that are conquerable. Persistence and resolve will break the hobbit in a way that 200 dreads could never. If you can find a way to keep the hobbit miner away from his veld\ark, you can create all sorts of internal problems for them. This requires a long term commitment to harassing them and killing them. For you alts bashers..... /rude Don't have time for you. This is solid advice and Tribal might see more help coming there way in the future if they will just demonstrate resolve as is encompassed in the aforementioned advice. That's bad advice, tbh. If you were talking to a PVP organization then yes, you're advice would make sense. A group could do what they love doing, pvp'ing, and they could roleplay a great cause to evect the nasty people, blah blah, whatever. But the truth of the matter is, they are mostly an industrial/carebear group of people. Sure, they have some PVPers and what you say may appeal to them, but small gankers running around big alliance space isn't going to last forever. That way of life is dying in eve. I think the better advice is to conserve isk, get out what assets you can and liquidate the rest. Find a weak group of players somewhere else in 0.0 and spend your cash securing a new home to continue the game you enjoy playing. I know the idea of throwing yourself at an invader sounds all noble and romantic, fight to the death yar and all that, but it just doesn't make much practical sense. Originally by: End Yourself Originally by: Sextus Licinius Hmm so actually Tribal Souls have a chance to fight off ASCN/Axiom forces? Or is this just pep talk? well.. as naverin has reported allready we cant outblob em if that was news to anyone well i dunno.... besides that i think we are doin better than expected, kills should be pretty even. if we dont fall apart due to some carebears missing their roids to much i think this is gonna last for a while and its gonna be lots of fun for everyone I don't know man, I'm not involved in the conflict but looking at the killboards and such, I think Dirtball is did more damage in the last day to ASCN then your entire alliance has since this thing started. ASCN has secured, what.. 3 stations or something like that? In three days? And even if ASCN is having problems posting losses, you guys are still WAY behind the attrition curve. Just look at the pain G put on ASCN in the past, and yet they still kept coming. So like I said, I don't know guys. Wish you the best of luck in the world but it's not looking good from an outsiders perspective. It's nothing to be ashamed of, at any rate. You guys aren't a hard core PVP organization. You can't be expected to stand up to a giant like ASCN, whether they are the l33t pvpers or not. So sez Johnny~~ P.S. It seems like ASCN could use another fat trimming if they can lose that many to a lone/small squad while at wartime standing lol. Nice job Dirtball ;)
Mau'l Sith	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:35:00 - [26] ganking people is easy and its mostly carebears and miners and tbh it doesnt do any damage to giant alliances like ascn or bob or d2 or whoever....u get all isk back and damage is so little u can replace it in no time.
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Johnny Wulgaru Originally by: End Yourself well.. as naverin has reported allready we cant outblob em if that was news to anyone well i dunno.... besides that i think we are doin better than expected, kills should be pretty even. if we dont fall apart due to some carebears missing their roids to much i think this is gonna last for a while and its gonna be lots of fun for everyone I don't know man, I'm not involved in the conflict but looking at the killboards and such, I think Dirtball is did more damage in the last day to ASCN then your entire alliance has since this thing started. ASCN has secured, what.. 3 stations or something like that? In three days? And even if ASCN is having problems posting losses, you guys are still WAY behind the attrition curve. Just look at the pain G put on ASCN in the past, and yet they still kept coming. So like I said, I don't know guys. Wish you the best of luck in the world but it's not looking good from an outsiders perspective. It's nothing to be ashamed of, at any rate. You guys aren't a hard core PVP organization. You can't be expected to stand up to a giant like ASCN, whether they are the l33t pvpers or not. So sez Johnny~~ P.S. It seems like ASCN could use another fat trimming if they can lose that many to a lone/small squad while at wartime standing lol. Nice job Dirtball ;) well... i never said we are wtfpwning em or whatever all i said is we are performing better than i expected(and my expectations were exactly like yours with the industrial/carebear background in mind) 2 stations have been lost so far iirc the ASCN killboard is a laugh: 6 BS lost to us so far... i have seen more going down myself and i'm busy with RL work atm. btw this isnt meant as a diss. our members are as "lazy" posting their own losses. sadly our killboard aint public and the coder has left the alliance few month ago. as i said kills if you look at ours and theirs are pretty even. all i said is the fight isnt over yet. we had no time to prepare(well... 24 hours) and the fight for paragon will take alot longer than 3 days. and even if we lose ASCN isnt goin home without a bloody nose. and its gonna be a chronic illness. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.05.10 22:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Mau'l Sith ganking people is easy and its mostly carebears and miners and tbh it doesnt do any damage to giant alliances like ascn or bob or d2 or whoever....u get all isk back and damage is so little u can replace it in no time. want to join alliance that replaces losses while carebearing want to buy clue "how to do damage to a giant alliance like ASCN", dont do business with alts tho --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Johnny Wulgaru	Posted - 2006.05.10 23:03:00 - [29] Originally by: cptblood They might have numbers but thats all , fight them right to the last man TRIBE. Yes, fight to the last man! Vanish in less then a month! Ahh, and who said romance was dead. So sez Johnny~~
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.05.10 23:52:00 - [30] Edited by: Ab Initio on 10/05/2006 23:52:52 Originally by: Johnny Wulgaru Hey who knows, you could be right. I mean, I can't see your killboards (like you say) and who knows, maybe you do have 300+ kills against ASCN and they are REALLY slacking at posting losses. I still think your energy is best spent evacing, looking for and securing a new home in 0.0. Let's just say you score a 2:1 kill ratio to ASCN, but they still get all your stations. You've still lost far more then you can afford to and you're only weakening your ability to secure a new home since you main sources of income are gone (mining, ratting, outposts, etc.). Use your current resources to find and secure a new home. Come back for ASCN, I don't think they are going anywhere anytime soon. Maybe I think too practically and don't factor in the martyr syndrom people seem to have when they get trounced by a larger enemy. Or maybe I'm just thinking about your survival and prosperity and not wanting to see you guys fade into another group occasionally ganking npcers and miners and beating their chest saying 'YARR WE ART KILLING TEH GIANT!'. So sez Johnny~~ Something else to consider, that isn't quite as easy measure on paper, is reputation. If you as an alliance pack up and leave at the first sign of trouble from a larger alliance, you will never hold space in 0.0. Respect counts for alot, and has allowed alot of smaller corps / alliances to survive, that technically would not be hard to remove from there space.

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