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Sher Rayet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:34:00 -
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I'm wondering about Terran or Jovian superweapons.... I haven't read the novels or know about them. The Terran one is seen in this trailer.
What would the consequences be if an ancient Terran or a Jovian superweapon introduced ingame? Say technically in-game the weapon is a one-time use only, and components would be extracted from Ghost/Sleeper sites, ultra rare resources scattered in/out WH space.
what do you guys think if this would happen... good/bad? Arms race? kill fleet blobs and pos faster? aggressive expansion & hunt for new resource and tech? kill EVE? |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
82
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:36:00 -
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That is how the orignal DD's the titains fit were. They did 50,000 damage to every ship on the grid. Vacuums suck. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:43:00 -
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I think it'd be cool. Unfortunately min maxers would hate unique super weapons unless they specifically were given them.
Would be totally cool to transport a Jovian dark energy super weapon into the middle of VFK in a buzzard n activate it during Mittens morning mass and prayer hour. Even if it it vaporized me too. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1671
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:13:00 -
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the old DDs while broken were alot cooler both visually and just what they did, they were essentially gigantic smart bombs.
Worthy of the name DoomsDay. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:40:00 -
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Sher Rayet wrote: What would the consequences be if an ancient Terran or a Jovian superweapon introduced ingame? Say technically in-game the weapon is a one-time use only, and components would be extracted from Ghost/Sleeper sites, ultra rare resources scattered in/out WH space.
They would become as rare as Titans. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
609
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:23:00 -
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Isogen 5 fueled that superweapon and (according to the lore) a thukker tribe vagabond destroyed an isogen 5 cache to prevent the blood raiders from using that kind of superweapon. In the process they unknowingly destroyed most, if not all, isogen 5 in New Eden and beyond (and as a side effect started the creation of naturally occuring wormholes).
Since the old DDs were rebalanced and there is no more isogen 5 to fuel a superweapon like Jamyl Sarum's abaddon I would say that there is a slim-none chance that a multi kill DD would be added in the forseeable future. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20642
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:44:00 -
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The consequences would be the same as with the old DDDs: fun for the player pushing the button, terminally boring for everyone else. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Berendas
The Learning Curve. The Marmite Collective
869
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:34:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:they were essentially gigantic smart bombs. You might say they were titanic. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
343
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:45:00 -
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Yea I dunno if I want to go back to watched 3-5 titans wipe and entire fleet off the grid in a mater of seconds. |
Doireen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:33:00 -
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Saw "DD" weapons
...came expecting something entirley different.
Left disappointed. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11642
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:19:00 -
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Cyno doomsday was the giggles for the aggressor. And pretty easily tanked for anything larger than a cruiser. And hell as how I understood it for the server-side code if it was a large fleet getting hit.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3356
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:24:00 -
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I thought a DD was a destroyer *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12050
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:25:00 -
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CCP Introduces superweapons.
2 weeks later CFC control 30 of them.
30 seconds later 400 threads appear calling for removal of superweapons.
12 years later CCP fixes drones instead.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:48:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:CCP Introduces superweapons.
2 weeks later CFC control 30 of them.
30 seconds later 400 threads appear calling for removal of superweapons.
12 years later CCP fixes drones instead.
They should bring back old doomsdays via remote cyno. :3 |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3356
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:52:00 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:
They should bring back old doomsdays via remote cyno. :3
This...is.. genius
Also, can I have T-Bombs? A Bomb you can Cyno at people? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Sher Rayet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:52:00 -
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great replies, good laughs I expect something more chaotic for superweapons from Jove or Terran, not a rehashed old school doomsday on Titans. Maybe... said superweapon that has system-wide affects and violently affects all on grid where deployed.
I don't think CCP would reintro the old doomsday (as Tippia said it gets rather lame).
Evidently a DoomsDay weapon for the sake and all intent of that definition....Doom. Seems under-exaggerated in EVE , but doesn't have to be an instant-kill weapon. Crush them in a jovian blackhole, slowly you know? Just trying to think of ways to genocide on a humane level. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4716
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:57:00 -
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Sher Rayet wrote:I'm wondering about Terran or Jovian superweapons.... I haven't read the novels or know about them. The Terran one is seen in this trailer. What would the consequences be if an ancient Terran or a Jovian superweapon introduced ingame? Say technically in-game the weapon is a one-time use only, and components would be extracted from Ghost/Sleeper sites, ultra rare resources scattered in/out WH space. what do you guys think if this would happen... good/bad? Arms race? kill fleet blobs and pos faster? aggressive expansion & hunt for new resource and tech? kill EVE?
That's in the novel Empyrean Age. A good read.
Once in the days of yor the DD was an AOE weapon.
But... as expected with the usual MMO neckbeardery, there was a thing called "Drive-by DD" meaning it didn't matter so much what was going on, someone would just show up and DD the grid for the lols.
So, being abused, changes were made and now the DD is more like the ray from the Death Star.
Maybe if the player base was more mature the AOE DD could come back. Would certainly make things interesting.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1202
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:09:00 -
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I just want them to rename current doomsdays, because they are neither great nor very doomi-ish anymore. besides being massively nerfed in damage/application, they cant even hit anythign short of caps anymore, not really something to fear, hell, if people dint have the ability to drop as many titans as they wanted, there would be no use for the doomsday at all.
I mean, when it takes 5+ "doomsdays" to kill ONE capital, its time to start calling them anything but doomsdays |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9365
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:18:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I think it'd be cool. Unfortunately min maxers would hate unique super weapons unless they specifically were given them. Absolutely, completely, utterly ******* false. The min-maxers would corner production and use of these unique superweapons and any semblance of balance would cease to exist. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9365
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:22:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:I just want them to rename current doomsdays, because they are neither great nor very doomi-ish anymore. You know, except for doing between two million (scrub) to three million (not scrub) damage at once.
Nariya Kentaya wrote:besides being massively nerfed in damage/application, Except for doing between two million and three million damage at once.
Nariya Kentaya wrote:they cant even hit anythign short of caps anymore, not really something to fear, Unless you have a capital.
Nariya Kentaya wrote:hell, if people dint have the ability to drop as many titans as they wanted, there would be no use for the doomsday at all. Drive-by doomsday is still a thing.
Nariya Kentaya wrote:I mean, when it takes 5+ "doomsdays" to kill ONE capital, its time to start calling them anything but doomsdays This is extremely rare. Unless a capital is specifically fit to tank that doomsday it generally only takes one to destroy dreadnoughts and carriers. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9366
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:28:00 -
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Doomsday is after all the most powerful weapon a titan has. Sure the guns put out more DPS but you kill supercapitals best with overwhelming alpha strikes, and doomsday is the only way to get enough damage to consistently alpha titans and supers without spamming tons of Naglfars. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3377
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:43:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Sher Rayet wrote:I'm wondering about Terran or Jovian superweapons.... I haven't read the novels or know about them. The Terran one is seen in this trailer. What would the consequences be if an ancient Terran or a Jovian superweapon introduced ingame? Say technically in-game the weapon is a one-time use only, and components would be extracted from Ghost/Sleeper sites, ultra rare resources scattered in/out WH space. what do you guys think if this would happen... good/bad? Arms race? kill fleet blobs and pos faster? aggressive expansion & hunt for new resource and tech? kill EVE? That's in the novel Empyrean Age. A good read. Once in the days of yor the DD was an AOE weapon. But... as expected with the usual MMO neckbeardery, there was a thing called "Drive-by DD" meaning it didn't matter so much what was going on, someone would just show up and DD the grid for the lols. So, being abused, changes were made and now the DD is more like the ray from the Death Star. Maybe if the player base was more mature the AOE DD could come back. Would certainly make things interesting.
Haha man this is a really bad post. Like wow. REALLY bad.
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3457
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:57:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maybe if the player base was more mature the AOE DD could come back. I attempted to calculate the chances of the EVE community becoming mature enough to use AOE DD's wisely, but every attempt returned the IEEE floating point value NaN. Retiring CSM Chairman GÇó My picks for CSM9: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2014/04/how-to-vote.html |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6335
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:31:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maybe if the player base was more mature the AOE DD could come back. I attempted to calculate the chances of the EVE community becoming mature enough to use AOE DD's wisely, but every attempt returned the IEEE floating point value NaN. Wasn't the problem exactly that people used it maturely and wisely? Therefore they made the best possible use out of it in a competitive environment like proper adults, instead of holding back their true potential because of some meaningless and naive space bushido. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
122
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:56:00 -
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I think is pretty mature to drop a bunch of Titans in a random fight and kill everybody. Bit disappointing for those involved other than the titanpilots, but..... FUN
I'd do it in a heartbeat and laugh about it for an hour. Which is why it happened and CCP was kinda forced to take care of it when the number of Titans rose.
What I dislike is Doomsday in general. I love it when some Titanpilot goes all out and ganks a cap. Bad day for the cappilot, but we're dealing with a guy that risks 100+ bill ISK. Gotta respect that. But when 70 titans are on field, they'll take out 70 dreads every 10 minutes. It makes sense based on both the time it requires to get into one and the cost of a Titan. But... yeah. I personally consider it to be too much. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1434
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:15:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maybe if the player base was more mature the AOE DD could come back. I attempted to calculate the chances of the EVE community becoming mature enough to use AOE DD's wisely, but every attempt returned the IEEE floating point value NaN. Wasn't the problem exactly that people used it maturely and wisely? Therefore they made the best possible use out of it in a competitive environment like proper adults, instead of holding back their true potential because of some meaningless and naive space bushido. mature person uses his tools to get the most profit
when using of something leads to its removing it's not as mature.
Have you heard about golden goose and its eggs? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
342
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:34:00 -
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Not sure if you were there when the old DD was around but it was a completely broken mechanic. They had a 1h cooldown, and with the 3-5 titans we had we could kill the enemy fleet attacking us every 12-15 minutes. I don't think you really understand how game breaking it us when sub capital fleets can get wiped of the grid every 12-15 minutes.
Although, the 250 killmails you got all at once were kind of comedy. :D |
Serene Repose
1247
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:08:00 -
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Only if there's a high probability (through ignorance of the technologies involved) that the device explodes in the hands of the discoverer(s). I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:09:00 -
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It was pretty crazy though. ;) In one of the earliest DD's being used in the game, just over 300 goons blew up due to that one shot.
I think that was when CCP looked at the DD's and wondered if they may have made a mistake. :P |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:15:00 -
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Video of the first one being used. I can't find the vid for the one I mentioned above, but am still looking. Have seen it before so I know its still up there.
Anyhow, this vid documents the DD fired by LV that killed 67 battleships, 12 heavy assault ships, 14 battlecruisers, 71 cruisers, 5 assault ships, 2 interdictors, 11 destroyers, 19 interceptors, 4 covert ops ships, and 14 frigates.
http://youtu.be/8b6WnsnbQ-M |
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