Is it doable to make good money in a small corp living in a lower class wormhole? Any advice, or tips on how you do it? I really love wormholes and want to get me and my small group of buddies in one, but I dont want to over commit ourselves to something it turns out we need more manpower for. How hard is it to keep a POS online?

Can you bring a hauler full of fuel to your tower once a month?

Yes sir, but I'm under the impression there will be other threats, like other corps. Is it invulnerable as long as its fueled?

Yes sir, but I'm under the impression there will be other threats, like other corps. Is it invulnerable as long as its fueled?

If you put down a large pos with hardeners + ECM in a low class wormhole (read C4 and below) it's probably not going to get blown up because it will take literally forever.

Where is the majority of the money made from a class 2 from?

Alright guys, one last big question before I make my decision on where to go.

As a small corp that wants...
-Safety and being mostly undisturbed in the home system, preferable without fighting tons of huge ships.
-A static wormhole with content we can do solo or in a small team (C2 or C3 I'm guessing?)
-Decent revenue in general, at least enough to beat nullsec exploration and highsec level 4 running

Am I right in thinking a C2 with a static to another C2 is the right place for us?

C2s only come with c2+lowsec static. Sadly, c2 anomalies pay the worst out of all lowclass by a huge margin. If anyhow possible, your focus should be directed towards c1 OR c4, since they pay the best given proper equipment. Since c4 is really best done with two BS worth of dps, c1-c3 can be solo'ed. Depending on the price for MNRs (melted nanoribbons), c1-income can easily overtake even c3s. Just need medium pulse lasers + scorch.

If you're into grinding loads of cash, my suggestion would be a c2 with c1+hs - static, throw up a small tower and stront it. Once they reinforce that tower, you throw up the next one etc. If you're using GSCs to store your goods, reinforcing the POS won't even cut access to our stuff. If in a 3man corp, high chance you won't be able to defend your tower (go straight over to yieldtanking).

best option to try as small group of buddies- join a corp. This way u can see how it works, get basics about wh life, find proper set up to do what u wanna do and all of that with much less risks if u try it on your own. Ive seen tons of fail corps and silly CEOs who thought solo part was the best for them, and u will see the examples of this corps too, just scan a POS without a forcefield-these are monuments for every 'small corp wanna try'

About the lasers- is that a requirement? Because were all training missiles/Caldari

I'm gonna day trip some C1s today and see how the pay is on those anoms. If its good I'll move my corp into a C2 with C1 static as suggested.

Edit- Oh yeah, seeing as I'm a pretty low skilled character and I want to just check out some sites and get some kills going, would a Caracal complete the sites without dying? Since they're frigs I was thinking a RLML Caracal might do the trick for awhile. I know it was said that missiles aren't optimal, but I want to do some test runs and get some experience in the sites.

[Caracal, wh w depot]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Guess you could run something along these lines:



and adjust the number of shield power relays, purgers and t2 missiles as skills allow for those. Fury missiles would make a lot of sense given their low price-per-unit. And upgrade mods as you can of course.

Good luck man. i have a c2 myself too and will start farming the static C4 once i get my domifleet.

Hey thread! I thought I'd report back in. We made some friends with a nice larger corp that offered protection in case of eviction by enemy corps. We're safely moved in and have our POS online and are very excited. Eveing in wormholes is just ridiculously cool and fun. We didn't have a chance to visit the C1 static, but we ran some C2s and made some decent cash.

Tomorrow we're going to work on securing our POS and build up some cash reserves to replace it in case it gets smashed.

I was just going to suggest that you either join a defense group or a small wormhole alliance. There are several groups out there that do mutual protection but don't require much else and there are a few alliances that take beginner WH corps just to show them the ropes.

Just don't give people a reason to add you and your members to their contact list. If you see a WH Alliance farming your system, let em do it for 16h until their static closes. Don't go ganking people's tengu's because you might get a lucky shot.

If you are in WHs for the isk you don't need anyone else. In fact the most efficient way is always to be solo. Done right, a solo player will always make more isk/hour in c3/c4 than any but the most efficiently run pve gangs even in c5/6 capital escalations.

Being solo removes overhead of coordination, time-consuming formup of fleets, lack of farmable sites and different levels of effort and skills put in. But of course it's terribly boring.

Yeah, that is the right approach of course. Too much solo farming will just bore you out and make you leave EVE quickly, with lots of then useless isk piled up in your wallet.

If you are in WHs for the isk you don't need anyone else. In fact the most efficient way is always to be solo. Done right, a solo player will always make more isk/hour in c3/c4 than any but the most efficiently run pve gangs even in c5/6 capital escalations.

Being solo removes overhead of coordination, time-consuming formup of fleets, lack of farmable sites and different levels of effort and skills put in. But of course it's terribly boring.

No one said anything about people moving into their WH with them... A mutual protection group each member has their own WH, you just find the static and jump in to help with eviction attempts.

I guess hole control is a myth. I too leave the static open and unguarded to allow unlimited enemy reinforcements in when evicting.

Well for starters, your approach to wormholes will get you evicted eventually, promise to that. Not by groups, but by individual people starting to leech off your activity (leech= tenguloots, noctisloots, haulers, orcas)

A mutual protection group consisting of only farmers amuses me, the thought of 30 blind people coordinating themselves makes for some jiggles. If you go in for the farming, you yield-tank. Live out of a barely defended small POS with high em/therm resists if possible, have a second tower on standby. If anything comes to ruin your day, log out a hauler with the replacement tower. Go on vacation for a week and resume your regular life after some time ;)

Figuring out how to defend against invaders will happen eventually, a *mutual defense pact* is not going to do you much good. In case of emergency, they won't help you against any group you couldn't take on yourself (cause you just don't get holecontrol) and force you to sit on standby staring at your ship for hours cause *we will get you an entrance with the next connection....*

Save some time and get teeth yourselves. Rapid lights rock hard in w-space with 3+ ships shooting those, wouldn't think twice about engaging a scouting loki with 3 caracals. (Hint: Loki dies within half a minute latest)

So you going to have your entire fleet camp that hole? If you are in a defense group, you get your own 20 BC/BS fleet that isn't stupid fit for pos bashing along with some Ewar and get control back.

The game is always rigged in favor of the defenders, just because you have control of the static doesn't mean it stays yours lol

Issue is, while their 10man gang knows what they're doing, your 20man militia is going to be reduced to three fourth about as your combat paralyzes has been conquered. Also, Battleship tracking in a brawl, so you'll find out that the only way to get out here alive is through that wormhole... 1 of your guys will jump, 2 will jump etc.

Not taking this from nowhere, engaging a 6man BS gang with astarte/myrm/arazu on a c2GåÆhighsec with a cheatertengu, toyed with them for so long that by pressuring the BS' buffer, they massed their hole a lot. Batphoned some friends (like a stiletto, a deimos and a vaga) we jumped in, their BSs jumped out, rolled the Astarte in and 400mil loss for them...

Or another time, engaging some carebears (like 3 ravens, 2 tengus, loki and ferox), warped tengu in got the ferox tackled, rest of their group bails. The lack of routine on one side makes engaging up really easy for the other side, so even when you have twice the numbers, it very likely won't do you any good.

Alright guys, one last big question before I make my decision on where to go.

As a small corp that wants...
-Safety and being mostly undisturbed in the home system, preferable without fighting tons of huge ships.
-A static wormhole with content we can do solo or in a small team (C2 or C3 I'm guessing?)
-Decent revenue in general, at least enough to beat nullsec exploration and highsec level 4 running

Am I right in thinking a C2 with a static to another C2 is the right place for us?

Issue is, while their 10man gang knows what they're doing, your 20man militia is going to be reduced to three fourth about as your combat paralyzes has been conquered. Also, Battleship tracking in a brawl, so you'll find out that the only way to get out here alive is through that wormhole... 1 of your guys will jump, 2 will jump etc.

Not taking this from nowhere, engaging a 6man BS gang with astarte/myrm/arazu on a c2GåÆhighsec with a cheatertengu, toyed with them for so long that by pressuring the BS' buffer, they massed their hole a lot. Batphoned some friends (like a stiletto, a deimos and a vaga) we jumped in, their BSs jumped out, rolled the Astarte in and 400mil loss for them...

Or another time, engaging some carebears (like 3 ravens, 2 tengus, loki and ferox), warped tengu in got the ferox tackled, rest of their group bails. The lack of routine on one side makes engaging up really easy for the other side, so even when you have twice the numbers, it very likely won't do you any good.

Thank you for the second pos idea. I think i will set one for emergency times.
Maybe i will online it if it makes enough profit with reactions.
Can a offline POS go into reinforced ?( providing it has stront )

Like the previous guy said it looks like a bunch of words strung together but doesn't make much sense.

First off, if the invaders use the WH into known space, mission accomplished lol

For some reason you seem content thinking that just because people can do the math to tank sleepers and make isk that they suddenly have no idea how to use a point. Some of the most carebear WH corps have some of the best fleet discipline and organization. WH residents are not slouches, and most are pretty adept at playing the collapse game with holes.

There is another option for the OP which might have been mentioned already. Mercs. You could just hire someone to defend your POS for you should a serious attempt is made.

Sure, I can explain again:

1 People can't defend you unless they're in the respective wormhole
1.1 You need hole control (= a HIC + ships to block intruders)
1.2 Knowing the exit-location doesn't help, if you jump out to get a system name, they just roll it
GåÆ In order to get people to help you, you need to be able to help yourselves

I just won't comment on that *30 carebears make a deadly army of lemmings*-comment. Your 30 carebears will never get together, cause your five-ten people can't kill the HIC and the Astarte sitting on your K-Space. Behold they might even have similiar numbers... I checked KB prior to saying this, so I'm feeling safe with that statement.

Lastly, my previous post could also be read this way:
* Eve is Rock-Paper-Scissors, and you got hell of a disadvantage if you don't know your way around*

We've added a Legion and Harbinger pilot to our fold, so we may in fact be running c3s/c4s VERY soon.

Do you do PI in your wspace ?
im doing it. but i find the income awful. I should try making P4 instead of fuel

I dont yet personally, but thats mostly for lack of skills. Im operating with less than 2 mill SP account wide. Ive heard reports of making about 500 mill per character per month with the current wormhole im in.

That is a lot of work for 500mil. You can make 500mil in a couple days running sites in your C3 and splitting them with a buddy.

In a C3, is the majority of income still from Melted Nanoribbons, or something else?

In a C3, is the majority of income still from Melted Nanoribbons, or something else?

From running combat anoms in your static.
The anoms in your home system will be farmed pretty quickly, but if you roll your static (meaning collapsing it and scanning the new one) you will find more anoms to run there.