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Gigan Amilupar
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:22:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Vladimir Norkoff wrote:It's sad that even an obvious try-hard troll can be successful these days. You people should be ashamed of yourselves for being baited so easily. I had kind of suspected that's what we had on our hands here, but he puts so much more effort into it than your usual breed of troll these days that it seemed most logical that he was being sincere.
I thought he was sincere too, then saw the reply to my post and how he cherry picked from what I wrote in order to support his argued points...which I actually covered in the part of my post that he didn't quote. I immediately felt bad about myself for taking the time to respond.
Verdict: Decent troll, 7/10. |
Paikis
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
1149
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:29:00 -
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Cunningham's Law Strikes again! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2004
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:30:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Cunningham's Law Strikes again!
Which is? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4623
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Posted - 2014.04.13 01:07:00 -
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If people are this butthurt about losing access to sentry drones, it just goes to show how overpowered they really are.
The Worm, Gila, and soon to be the Rattlesnake are going to be awesome ships. No one is "getting **** on", you just don't get the one size fits all sentry drone of overpoweredness as a crutch anymore. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kasife Vynneve
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
25
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Posted - 2014.04.13 01:10:00 -
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Want a sentry focused ship then put the time in for the Ishtar. The gila is something I have wanted for a long time but felt I didn't quite have the skills for to use well, now with these changes its even better that my missile skills will mean something in addition to it. Only concern is the lack of ability to use a full flight of lights.
New ships are well and good but creating a distinct identity for existing ships is equally important. Many times I've looked at the Rattlesnake and thought that i'd like one but every thing it does you can do with a Domi bar have missiles. Till they release the Pirate BB changes we will just have to keep speculating, but its bound upset someone no matter what is done.
If that someone is you then your just going to adapt or quit. |
Talleria Lange
Pheonix Light Industries
11
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:29:00 -
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Alright how bout an opinion form some one that has flown Gallente drone boats and is currently flying Caldari missile boats. The only reason I have quite flying drone boats is because I don't like to micro-manage my primary weapon system. Witch is why I quit flying Gallente drone boats. Now I only use drones to kill things that my guns/missiles have a hard time hitting.
While I have never flown the Snake in combat. I have flown the Gila. (and got it blown up but that's another matter). I think the changes to them are going to be a good thing. I know most people right now like to fly both the Gila and the Snake as kitting sentry boats. They do a wonderful job at it form what I understand. But I think that is what the Gallente are suposed to be good at. The Guristas are suposed to be more of a brawler, witch is what they are being turned into.
The changes that are coming though will leave you with some faction ships that still do the same job (missile+drone DPS) but do it better. Your drones will be hitting harder (if you use the right drones) and your missiles will be hitting harder (no matter what size you use from what I understand). In all the ships will be better for it, and you wont have to manage as meany drones.
If you still want to fly a kiting drone boat with sentries then switch to Gallente, though you will lose your missiles you will still be able to shield tank. If you want drones and missiles but don't care if the drones don't get a bonus then switch to Amarr (well at least up to cruiser if you want a BS with drones and missiles i have herd the Minmatar have one).
If you have any more comments on the matter I might check back latter.
Talleria Lange |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
709
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:41:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:
try to form an proper argument if you want any respect, forum clowns.
the irony Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
709
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:43:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Paikis wrote:Cunningham's Law Strikes again! Which is? Cunningham's Law "the best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question, it's to post the wrong answer." Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
32
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:00:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:
try to form an proper argument if you want any respect, forum clowns.
the irony
says the moron whose only response to the thread is "the irony".
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
32
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:03:00 -
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Talleria Lange wrote:Alright how bout an opinion form some one that has flown Gallente drone boats and is currently flying Caldari missile boats. The only reason I have quite flying drone boats is because I don't like to micro-manage my primary weapon system. Witch is why I quit flying Gallente drone boats. Now I only use drones to kill things that my guns/missiles have a hard time hitting.
While I have never flown the Snake in combat. I have flown the Gila. (and got it blown up but that's another matter). I think the changes to them are going to be a good thing. I know most people right now like to fly both the Gila and the Snake as kitting sentry boats. They do a wonderful job at it form what I understand. But I think that is what the Gallente are suposed to be good at. The Guristas are suposed to be more of a brawler, witch is what they are being turned into.
The changes that are coming though will leave you with some faction ships that still do the same job (missile+drone DPS) but do it better. Your drones will be hitting harder (if you use the right drones) and your missiles will be hitting harder (no matter what size you use from what I understand). In all the ships will be better for it, and you wont have to manage as meany drones.
If you still want to fly a kiting drone boat with sentries then switch to Gallente, though you will lose your missiles you will still be able to shield tank. If you want drones and missiles but don't care if the drones don't get a bonus then switch to Amarr (well at least up to cruiser if you want a BS with drones and missiles i have herd the Minmatar have one).
If you have any more comments on the matter I might check back latter.
Talleria Lange
fine if they are made into more brawler-type ships but there is no reason to take away anything from them. The only commonality between guristas and gallente is that they both use drones. Everything else is different. |
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
37
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:32:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:If CCP wants to introduce some "new and interesting" ships with beefed up drones, that is great! But why do Guristas need to be ruined for so many people to do it? We spent too long training for these versatile and skill-intensive ships for negligent devs to **** all over them due to some ridiculous uncompromising vision. The concerns on these Guristas pirate faction ships have not being addressed in the official 45+ page thread. These concerns are centered mainly the lack of ability to use sentry drones, and foreseen total ineptness at combating non-specialized targets and possible removal of missile velocity that would greatly effect torpedo and cruise missile fits which the Rattlesnake currently has bonuses for. If this callous trend to Guristas contines, the great versatility Guristas ships once had will be tremendously reduced and a lot of people will be very angry with CCP for letting this happen. We spent our time and money training for these ships and now you want to drastically change them? Totally unacceptable.
Try to form a proper argument if you want any respect, forum clown.
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
32
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Posted - 2014.04.13 17:31:00 -
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These clowns and their totally inability to come across as anything other than degenerate angsty man-children. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
493
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:08:00 -
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Stop posting.
Oh noooooo! Your Gila can't be another immobile sentry platform! What am I even going to do with these ultra hammerheads and possibly frigate-wasting tracking valkyries? Which are both getting a huge speed boost?
This change is only good, because it makes the Worm and Ishkur, the Gila and Ishtar, and the Rattlesnake and Dominix unique from eachother while likely still not sacrificing the power of Guristas ships. This has been a huge complaint for the entire time I've been active, that the Gila and Ishtar especially have basically been the same ship. And the Guristas ships also get the bonus of non-irrelevant missile damage. I can only hope that this is paired witha surprise big damage application fix for cruiser sized missiles, too. |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
32
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:18:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Stop posting.
Oh noooooo! Your Gila can't be another immobile sentry platform! What am I even going to do with these ultra hammerheads and possibly frigate-wasting tracking valkyries? Which are both getting a huge speed boost?
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Its called versatility, dumbass.
That is what we trained into the otherwise lackluster Guristas for, not to be forced into some impossibly niche role that nobody wants to play.
There is no good reason to change Gurstas so drastically. Many Guristas pilots trained to use sentries for a Snake and that is what we want to use, not be forced into switching into Gallente ships due to an inability to see reason on the part of certain devs. Currently the only commonality between Guristas is the use of drones. Missiles, shield bonuses and the hull and ship maneuverability all belong to Caldari. There is no overlap with Gallente.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
715
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:33:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:
try to form an proper argument if you want any respect, forum clowns.
the irony says the moron whose only response to the thread is "the irony". How can you clowns ever expect to be taken seriously? At what point did I say I wanted to be taken seriously, Also, given that you clearly crave it yourself I'd recommend you don't open up by calling the devs incompetent. It kind of detracts from the whole "rational adult" thing when one goes off like this over a ship rebalancing (and a verry cool one I'll add).
Had you posted something that warranted a Proper argument you might have gotten one however it's dam near impossible to take you seriously when you're clearly bleading profusely from your arse. So yes, somewhat ironic Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
493
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:39:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:Aglais wrote:Stop posting.
Oh noooooo! Your Gila can't be another immobile sentry platform! What am I even going to do with these ultra hammerheads and possibly frigate-wasting tracking valkyries? Which are both getting a huge speed boost?
. Its called versatility, dumbass. That is what we trained into the otherwise lackluster Guristas for, not to be forced into some impossibly niche role that nobody wants to play. There is no good reason to change Gurstas so drastically. Many Guristas pilots trained to use sentries for a Snake and that is what we want to use, not be forced into switching into Gallente ships due to an inability to see reason on the part of certain devs. Currently the only commonality between Guristas is the use of drones. Missiles, shield bonuses and the hull and ship maneuverability all belong to Caldari. There is no overlap with Gallente.
Nice importing, word for word, of your argument from the Cruiser thread, while adding absolutely nothing to it save for calling me a dumbass.
Personally, I'll take a ship that trades some of it's "versatility" and overall lackluster performance for one that decides to become slightly more specialized and suddenly becomes a lot better at doing things despite (or perhaps because of) the alteration. Also please explain to me how "high DPS, high shield tank brawler" is an "impossibly niche role that nobody wants to play". |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5197
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:42:00 -
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Mike Voidstar wrote:Has anyone worked up exactly how many HP these medium drones will have, and how that compares to the ship itself?
On the Worm, the lights have a good bit more HP, until you start figuring in resists. It would be wonderful if T2 drones could inherit the resist profiles of their race.
Sentries are not the be-all, end all drone. These ships will be effective. Drone stats for the new Gila + the coming drone re-balance: http://i.imgur.com/sejpB1Y.png Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
440
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:44:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Mike Voidstar wrote:Has anyone worked up exactly how many HP these medium drones will have, and how that compares to the ship itself?
On the Worm, the lights have a good bit more HP, until you start figuring in resists. It would be wonderful if T2 drones could inherit the resist profiles of their race.
Sentries are not the be-all, end all drone. These ships will be effective. Drone stats for the new Gila + the coming drone re-balance: http://i.imgur.com/sejpB1Y.png damn, dat fed navy hammerhead |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
32
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:12:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Aglais wrote:Stop posting.
Oh noooooo! Your Gila can't be another immobile sentry platform! What am I even going to do with these ultra hammerheads and possibly frigate-wasting tracking valkyries? Which are both getting a huge speed boost?
. Its called versatility, dumbass. That is what we trained into the otherwise lackluster Guristas for, not to be forced into some impossibly niche role that nobody wants to play. There is no good reason to change Gurstas so drastically. Many Guristas pilots trained to use sentries for a Snake and that is what we want to use, not be forced into switching into Gallente ships due to an inability to see reason on the part of certain devs. Currently the only commonality between Guristas is the use of drones. Missiles, shield bonuses and the hull and ship maneuverability all belong to Caldari. There is no overlap with Gallente. Nice importing, word for word, of your argument from the Cruiser thread, while adding absolutely nothing to it save for calling me a dumbass. Personally, I'll take a ship that trades some of it's "versatility" and overall lackluster performance for one that decides to become slightly more specialized and suddenly becomes a lot better at doing things despite (or perhaps because of) the alteration. Also please explain to me how "high DPS, high shield tank brawler" is an "impossibly niche role that nobody wants to play".
Its easy to say that when you don't fly one. Get a clue. Creating new ships is the best idea. Nothing need be taken away from Guristas. This narrow focus between the Guristas ships is the dumbest way to make them differnet.
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
304
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:19:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Drone stats for the new Gila (3x Drone Damage Aug, 1x Drone Nav, 1x Tech 2 durability rig) + the coming drone re-balance: http://i.imgur.com/sejpB1Y.png
Btw, I made a booboo when making that table (did not factor in that augmented drones don't get the specialisation 10% bonus). T_T
The correct one is the following: http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/Dante80/bellycancer/11-Apr-1416-55-09_zps258f6e4f.png
@Fabulous Rod, I really really hope you are not arguing because you use a Rattlesnake in HighSec PvE. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3278
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:32:00 -
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Didn't want that Gila anyway... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
441
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:54:00 -
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btw, does this factor in the planned summer changes for drones as well?
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
304
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Posted - 2014.04.13 20:21:00 -
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Yep, the changes are in as per this...provided I didn't derp again of course...
The test fit used for the table is the following:
[Gila, test]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Drone Navigation Computer II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Drone Durability Enhancer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1258
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Posted - 2014.04.13 20:33:00 -
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typical dps-centric thinking
the gila isn't just having it's dps application methodology changed it's LOSING all aspects of versatility
not one or two, ALL aspects of versatility |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
717
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Posted - 2014.04.13 20:57:00 -
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They said the same thing about the marauders... Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5198
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:05:00 -
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Rowells wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Mike Voidstar wrote:Has anyone worked up exactly how many HP these medium drones will have, and how that compares to the ship itself?
On the Worm, the lights have a good bit more HP, until you start figuring in resists. It would be wonderful if T2 drones could inherit the resist profiles of their race.
Sentries are not the be-all, end all drone. These ships will be effective. Drone stats for the new Gila + the coming drone re-balance: http://i.imgur.com/sejpB1Y.png damn, dat fed navy hammerhead I was looking more at the speed and tracking of Valkyrie IIs... frigates are going to look at it and say "NOPE, NOPE, NOPE!!! RUNNING AWAY" Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
32
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:15:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Rowells wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Mike Voidstar wrote:Has anyone worked up exactly how many HP these medium drones will have, and how that compares to the ship itself?
On the Worm, the lights have a good bit more HP, until you start figuring in resists. It would be wonderful if T2 drones could inherit the resist profiles of their race.
Sentries are not the be-all, end all drone. These ships will be effective. Drone stats for the new Gila + the coming drone re-balance: http://i.imgur.com/sejpB1Y.png damn, dat fed navy hammerhead I was looking more at the speed and tracking of Valkyrie IIs... frigates are going to look at it and say "NOPE, NOPE, NOPE!!! RUNNING AWAY"
from 2 drones?
Web a drone. Half the Gilas DPS just went out the window. Not enough room in drone bay for a 2nd set.
Missiles?
Get a clue. The only people happy with these changes are people who don't fly Guristas.
I'm sure a lot of Gila pilots are going to be happy about having to throw 2 drones away everytime they have to warp out immediately.
Like Kitty Bear said, this is just more DPS-centric thinking that is detached from reality. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
304
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:30:00 -
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Quote:from 2 drones? Lol
Web a drone. Half the Gilas DPS just went out the window. Not enough room in drone bay for a 2nd set.
Missiles? Roll
Get a clue. The only people happy with these changes are people who don't fly Guristas.
If someone is webbing one of your drones, he is sure as hell not webbing you. Be content.
Also, the new Gila fields the equivalent of 12 medium drones, with another 48 in its drone bay. Thats an effective drone bay bandwidth of 600mbit.
Add to that 19,000 Damage points in 70s from RLMs.
Lastly, medium drones get a ******* speed boost in summer. Read the drone dev blog.
Quote: I'm sure a lot of Gila pilots are going to be happy about having to throw 2 drones away everytime they have to warp out immediately.
Before that, they had to throw away 5 drones.... |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
32
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:32:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:Quote:from 2 drones? Lol
Web a drone. Half the Gilas DPS just went out the window. Not enough room in drone bay for a 2nd set.
Missiles? Roll
Get a clue. The only people happy with these changes are people who don't fly Guristas. If someone is webbing one of your drones, he is sure as hell not webbing you. Be content.
As if a Gila or Snake needs to be webbed. Get a clue. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
304
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:33:00 -
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Yeah, because webs are not used in PvP against Guristas ships, they are magical. Stop embarrassing yourself. |
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