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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
297
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:09:00 -
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So are they actually paying these bounties, or is it assumed that all of these PLEX are carried in the wanted ship's cargo holds and that blind luck will determine who gets to salvage them from the wrecks.... assuming that they can be salvaged at all, which is a dubious idea at best. The sound of the Amarrian heart |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
363
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:16:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:So are they actually paying these bounties, or is it assumed that all of these PLEX are carried in the wanted ship's cargo holds and that blind luck will determine who gets to salvage them from the wrecks.... assuming that they can be salvaged at all, which is a dubious idea at best.
The bounty is paid based on logged information and contracted corpses. There is no random element beyond who gets final blow. Tactics employed are enforcing a semblance of order on who gets highest damage on these vessels. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values. Intaki Reborn.
Independent Capsuleer. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1018
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:30:00 -
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To be honest, I would prefer to see them use these plexes to buy more ships and wreck federation down already. Handing them out just to catch some peoples is embezzlement of resources!
With Tibus Heth that would never happened! |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1164
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:39:00 -
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Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Anslo
Scope Works
4860
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:51:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening. He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
317
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:41:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening. He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead. We blame everything bad on zombie Heth, here in the IGS. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1018
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:15:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening. He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead. Mr. Anslo, there is no reason to argue with dumb people, they will blame Caldari hero in everything, because of jealousy and hatred to our culture. Their handicap will never allow them to reach heights that Tibus Heth did, and all they have left is to scream with impotent rage. Their names will be forgotten soon, while name of Tibus Heth will live for millenia.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
317
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:50:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Anslo wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:Tibus Heth is the reason this is happening. He ordered those capital ships stolen? I thought he was dead. Mr. Anslo, there is no reason to argue with dumb people, they will blame Caldari hero in everything, because of jealousy and hatred to our culture. Their handicap will never allow them to reach heights that Tibus Heth did, and all they have left is to scream with impotent rage. Their names will be forgotten soon, while name of Tibus Heth will live for millenia. Not that most of us wouldn't prefer to forget it. And how can he be a hero? It seems half of the state likes him dead, and the other half is torn between not caring and blind worship, with the latter of those being a small minority... And getting smaller by the day what with the PLEX bounty on their heads. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
256
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:06:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:It's no different to the hiring of Capsuleer contractors via their various security agents. Only difference is that the bounty is much larger, which is itself a practical decision - throw enough money at the problem and the capsuleers will do it for them, efficiently and without further loss of naval assets.
The excessive size of the bounty is, I would suggest, designed to guarantee capsuleer interest, and to send a clear warning. You have to be a REAL fanatic to willingly accept a 40 PLEX bounty which'll see capsuleer organisations like PL take a personal interest in you.
What you call a bail out, I call ruthless and practical exploitation, of which I heartily approve.
Security contracts offer value for money for the Corporation involved. The State's bounty is about seven times what the value of the stolen capital fleet, at a conservative estimate. Sure, it more than enough to get Capsuleers to be interested, that doesn't mean it is good value for your ISK.
You are being attacked by the last remains of the CPD, not a Federation invasion fleet. It looks to me that the State is doubting it's own Navies abilities in dealing with any situation and would rather go with a double edged sword than see another embarrassment break the news.
~Hikari
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1700
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:42:00 -
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DeadRow wrote: It looks to me that the State is doubting it's own Navies abilities in dealing with any situation and would rather go with a double edged sword than see another embarrassment break the news. I disagree miss; I think you're balancing your cost-benefit calculation improperly. This purchase has little to do with the replacement costs of the ships. This is as much about communication and brand management as it is about retribution.
Opportunities that are this visible are very rare, and worth the cost in my (admittedly poor) estimation.
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
898
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:16:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:DeadRow wrote: It looks to me that the State is doubting it's own Navies abilities in dealing with any situation and would rather go with a double edged sword than see another embarrassment break the news. I disagree miss; I think you're balancing your cost-benefit calculation improperly. This purchase has little to do with the replacement costs of the ships. This is as much about communication and brand management as it is about retribution. Opportunities that are this visible are very rare, and worth the cost in my (admittedly poor) estimation.
That's one way to look at it.
Speaking of looks, I notice you changed yours, looks good. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
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Ichinumi Tsukaya
PRAISE SATAN
16
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:50:00 -
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I am now ready and willing, after reviewing the facts and preparing, to defend these good patriots of the state with as many of my lives as it takes, at any cost. Heth is gone to us, but his vision is not. We must find a way to eliminate the corruption that currently infests our State, to get back on the path of restoring our state's dignity.
Ishukone would like to beg the Gallente for the return of our home to Caldari administration and the CEP is responding by whipping them with a wet lettuce, if even that, about their deception and the depth of their executive's treason whilst Tibus Heth was attempting to restore Caldari strength and reunify us with Caldari Prime. Our ancestors are no doubt turning in their graves. It is the duty of any remaining Caldari patriots and provists to defend what we can of the Providence Directorate against the scavengers who wish to take up arms against the Caldari State's renewal and resurrection for, admittedly, a lot of ISK from a corrupt CEP and Ishukone, at the expense of all people who call themselves a part of the Caldari State. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3500
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:17:00 -
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Now? After watching those stolen ships going down like a working girl on Fleet Day? Now you're willing to throw your lot in with a bunch of dead men walking?
Excellent threat assessment, there... "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:19:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now? After watching those stolen ships going down like a working girl on Fleet Day? Now you're willing to throw your lot in with a bunch of dead men walking?
Excellent threat assessment, there... Gotta love when they jump out right into your sights, eh kirjuun? |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4525
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Posted - 2014.04.15 09:31:00 -
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Reviewing Mssr. Tsukaya's broadcast history, I have to say that far from bravery (no matter how ill-advised), I perceive some amount of cowardice and laziness in the way he's thrown himself behind the Provist cause only after it started to fail. As generally reprehensible as other IGS Provist supporters (and their support itself) are, they were at least there from the beginning, when the idea was unpopular, they supported it in the mercifully brief time in which it was popular, and now they'll hopefully drown with it now that the ship is definitively sinking. Mssr. Tsukaya, in contrast, joined in at a very late stage, perhaps hoping to get all the benefits of acting like a martyr (despite the fact that he's a capsuleer and can't really die) without actually having done any of the hard work.
Also, yeah, on a more basic level it is pretty stupid to have publicly thrown one's support behind a group of individuals whose life expectancy can be confidently measured in days, and only increases by any amount whatsoever when a group of capsuleers wants to use them as bait to farm more killmails. Mane 614
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Ava Starfire
Gradient
1516
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Posted - 2014.04.15 12:12:00 -
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I heard the plexes offered are those that have been seized from parties engaged in illegal trading.
And they're going right back to some of the same organizations.
Biggest money laundering scheme ever. Caldari State washes dirty PLEX for nullsec blocs. Gutter Press, get on this! "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3552
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Posted - 2014.04.15 13:50:00 -
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Hey, if it's profitable and the State winds up with a better-financed military at the end of it, I'm not complaining. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
172
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:28:00 -
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They should finance their docking security. -áFear The Tribes |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3554
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:47:00 -
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there's no such thing as impenetrable security. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4532
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:09:00 -
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Unless you make your admin password "swordfish."
No-one ever guesses "swordfish." Mane 614
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
43
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:48:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Unless you make your admin password "swordfish."
No-one ever guesses "swordfish."
*hacks into Andreus's database*
*goes through files*
Oh you naughty boy! See Corp bio for business details
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
364
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:20:00 -
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"Uehuma Inikas and Arano Kokkara have been spotted in the Urpiken constellation! 40 PLEX bounty on each!" This latest transmission from sources close to the DED was received not long ago.
The actual location of the vessels has not yet been revealed, but this post will be updated as soon as possible. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values. Intaki Reborn.
Independent Capsuleer. |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
177
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:32:00 -
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Of course it is. As they show their faces they are going to get murdered.
I seriously doubt there is any other eventual outcome -áFear The Tribes |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
365
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:47:00 -
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You misread my statement. I meant is this a sign of increasing challenges to the masterful control PL has, until now, shown in their execution of these criminals. The death of these Provists is something you can guarantee at this point. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values. Intaki Reborn.
Independent Capsuleer. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
317
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:54:00 -
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Think PL let them have a shot and get a couple of PLEX to stem complaints and lead to a larger killboard next time? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
615
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Posted - 2014.04.15 21:46:00 -
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Todays manhunt saw two Provist captials deployed!
Provists Uehuma Inikas and Arano Kokkara fall at Okagaiken
Initially, Pandemic Legion had total dominance, but right at the end, contenders showed up, in the form of the Gorgons. In a frantic 5 minute fight, PL lost claim on a substanial part of the PLEX bounty. Others also profited from this chaos to claim their stakes. The error PL made was to copy their Akkio engagement and expect nobody would see through it.
An inetresting note is this, as no Battlecruiser damage has been done on the Chimera, the bounty for this is transfered to Most Battlecruiser damage on Saara Humo's Capital ship. This means that anyone who managed to get even a single shot off on the Chimera with his Battlecruiser, he'd been awarded the PLEX bounty. -áProvists Uehuma Inikas and Arano Kokkara fall at Okagaiken -á Caldari Navy organizes a manhunt on Provist Raiders!-á |
Ber Kan
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
56
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Posted - 2014.04.15 22:24:00 -
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In truth I must state that much profit will/have/had been made. In hope really. This will support the Guristas and maybe the opportunity to gain more. As stated by my superiors: For Freedom and Profit. |
Ber Kan
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
59
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:40:00 -
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((Forum deleted post)) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á This thread has been Plundered. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
367
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:18:00 -
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As interesting as that is, Ber Kan, it is not awfully relevant to the on-going events except for in the most tangential, limited manner. I would be interested to hear more of your opinions on the Guristas, possibly your personal experiences of having dealt with them in your time as a capsuleer and how you came to choose them as a force to bind yourself to philosophically. But I would also invite you to start a new thread to discuss it.
Back on track, I'd like to thank Jandice for her frequent and high quality reporting from her independent galnet site, and all of those who have been using various clusterwide social media to keep us informed. Many individuals have been absolutely vital to correcting or updating information received while I have been out of pod, and I'd invite anyone with reliable, sourced information to provide updates here.
Current areas of special interest from my perspective are; the organisations or individuals taking the lion's share of the bounties and the trend-breaking capsuleers defying the established status-quo in the harvesting of PLEX in return for the destruction of enemies of the State. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values. Intaki Reborn.
Independent Capsuleer. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2466
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:35:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:And how can he be a hero?.
I'd like to think that anyone who died fighting Sansha's Nation managed to have a least one redeeming quality in their lives. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
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