Eve isn't all about combat, indeed you can argue that eve is all about trading and the market, whilst I have sympathy with some of your points, I think you are in effect removing elements of the sandbox and encouraging the formation of shards in the game.

Somebody can and will abuse this. If they don't learn somewhere along the way about pvp, they are either very lucky, very dumb, or both.

First you learn how to fly ship, I don't know if it still is this way, but when I started, the first thing I saw on my screen was a little red cross.

Once you are capable of operating in a simple enough manner, anyone who wants to expand on themselves will eventually travel to low/null and die at least once.

Putting them in lowsec first is simply teching they kid to do a roundhouse kick before he can even stand on his own two feet.

I think the best solution is for some of the later security missions to take them into lowsec as part of the mission.

I disagree. Hence my post.

I think it would be easier to learn early and lose some stuff before it mattered.

EVE is a game about industry. Whichever group has access to/ownership of the largest and most powerful industrial engine has the most ships, the most pilots, the best equipment and the most money, meaning the most likelihood of victory in any given engagement.

Well, I understand there is some need to get players interested in dangerous space for both combat and industrial reasons. The only intro I had to dangerous space was some random dialogue from an npc pirate trying to coerce me to the dark side while another told me to stay in highsec.

I really feel like there should be more exanpsion toward the later end of the tutorial to entice new players to go to these places and try them out. Not completely necessary, but the option is there for them.

Goal: Encourage players to understand that Eve is about Player versus Player when they first start.

Eve is easy and will get even easier in the future, so that more wow-kids and stuff can play it. Letting them start in a dangerous enviroment is against that.

A better idea (IMO) that has occasionally popped up every once in awhile in here in F&I...


Give newbies (non-trial ones) a one-time-only OPTIONAL mission.
In this mission you would be given an "attack" frigate with a fitted Tech 1 MWD. The objective would be to reach a random null-sec system (one that isn't too far from the high-sec border) in that frigate.
Warning messages would also be written in very large text along the lines of "There is a very high chance you will be destroyed before reaching your destination" and "DO NOT bring or equip anything you cannot afford to replace."

If the newbie succeeds they will be rewarded something that only a newbie would covet (5 million ISK or something).
Regardless of winning or failing they will get a message (also in large text) at the end explaining "Taking great risks can sometimes reap great rewards. However, success in EVE is NOT GUARANTEED as other players will often stand between you and what you want. Find ways to either push them aside or get around."

A pirate lowsec career agent ^^

I have this vague memory of one of the NPC enemies in an early tutorial mission asking me to join him, but it's been a while since I went through new player content. It would be cool if this was actually an option though.

The new player option is as boring as the old player bullshit.

If new bros had to think about what was going on around them then things mights be different

And before you all go whaling on me - the whole point of this thread was to get new players to think about themselves.

So **** you if you want to criticise me.

I've made some suggestions that I think are solid.

Your turn.

Lol - hardman

The problem, as I see it, is that there is a huge difference in skill levels between a 1 hour & 4 day old pilot.

Skills generally don't matter, but when you are talking about going into a pvp enviroment without the ability to fit a scram, prop mod, etc. (And with half the players not knowing what any of those things are at that point), it would be far more frustrating to many players than I think you realize.

Somthing like this would be better started once the players are a few days old. Either a mission to null/low-sec, or a new player WH, with similar restrictions on entry.