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PrettyMuch Always Right
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.13 04:31:00 -
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Those who were around at the time of the Currin Trading scam know exactly what's up here 
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/shareholders.html
My guess: 1 trillion. Would not be surprised to see it happen at 500bil though.
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Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
312
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Posted - 2014.04.13 04:54:00 -
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Judging by his posts, he either believes what he's doing, or at least enjoys the tears the New Order provides him. Either way, I can't see a large sum of ISK tempting him to cash out. If he cashes out, it will be when he is tired of the New Order.
I also can't see him as someone who treats ISK as a goal. So what would he spend the ISK on if he runs off with it ? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11655
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Posted - 2014.04.13 05:09:00 -
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I wouldn't put all your faith into that list though seeing as I'm listed even though I never bought any share, and the share they gave me to make it look legit was returned months ago, so clearly they don't really provide accurate shareholders there.
/c
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MotherSammy
The Conference Elite CODE.
56
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Posted - 2014.04.13 05:38:00 -
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Believe it or not, the father of the New Order and saviour of high sec actually does pay out significant reimbursements to his holy troops and has done so for some time. I can personally vouch for this. He's not simply saving up the money. It funds our noble crusade to save high sec from the rampant plague of bot-aspirants. |

Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
208
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Posted - 2014.04.13 06:33:00 -
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He has less isk on hand NOW than in many previous months, why wouldn't he "cash out" a year ago at 80b??
The money goes to reimburse catalysts, for those who are completely failing at reading... |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2556
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Posted - 2014.04.13 06:33:00 -
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I actually thought James was going to do that early on, until I realised just how many gank catalysts He reimburses.
If I were Him, I'd use some of the ISK to buy tech 2 BPOs related to ganking, and run them 24/7, then eventually keep them. I think His entire attitude, however, is that He would rather watch the world burn than have isk. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --įPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

John XIII
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
169
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Posted - 2014.04.13 08:34:00 -
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Like him or hate him, if he decides to close shop tomorrow I hope everyone will join me in applauding the incredible content he's provided EvE. |

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.04.13 09:57:00 -
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When he get's bored I reckon. Could be a while... |

Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
312
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Posted - 2014.04.13 10:11:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:He has less isk on hand NOW than in many previous months, why wouldn't he "cash out" a year ago at 80b??
The money goes to reimburse catalysts, for those who are completely failing at reading... If he was in it for the ISK, would it be better for him in the long term to run off with the ISK or to keep skimming off the top for a few years ? |

Percival Rose
Decima Security Axiom Initiative
20
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Posted - 2014.04.13 11:24:00 -
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Please note shares are not an actual in-game item. It's not an investment in profit but an investment in the continuity of New Order. If you're producing catalysts, and/or mining barges it's obviously good for business to make sure the ganks continue.
Chribba wrote:I wouldn't put all your faith into that list though seeing as I'm listed even though I never bought any share, and the share they gave me to make it look legit was returned months ago, so clearly they don't really provide accurate shareholders there.
/c Somebody probably bought a bunch of shares in your name just to troll you. Do you know who's going to inherit New Eden? Arms dealers. Because everyone else is too busy killing each other. |

Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
683
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Posted - 2014.04.13 11:30:00 -
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When reimbursement stops. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |

Agondray
Dark Forge Enterprise Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
93
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:49:00 -
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Percival Rose wrote:Please note shares are not an actual in-game item. It's not an investment in profit but an investment in the continuity of New Order. If you're producing catalysts, and/or mining barges it's obviously good for business to make sure the ganks continue. Chribba wrote:I wouldn't put all your faith into that list though seeing as I'm listed even though I never bought any share, and the share they gave me to make it look legit was returned months ago, so clearly they don't really provide accurate shareholders there.
/c Somebody probably bought a bunch of shares in your name just to troll you.
no they actually claim chribba is a supporter as well as a permit holder due to legendary status and that chribba has given much capital "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2565
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Posted - 2014.04.13 22:59:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I wouldn't put all your faith into that list though seeing as I'm listed even though I never bought any share, and the share they gave me to make it look legit was returned months ago, so clearly they don't really provide accurate shareholders there.
/c
There have definitely been people that have purchased you shares to troll you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --įPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

PrettyMuch Always Right
University of Caille Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:48:00 -
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521 views and counting. Keep it up fellas, spread the word! |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
440
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:25:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Percival Rose wrote:Please note shares are not an actual in-game item. It's not an investment in profit but an investment in the continuity of New Order. If you're producing catalysts, and/or mining barges it's obviously good for business to make sure the ganks continue. Chribba wrote:I wouldn't put all your faith into that list though seeing as I'm listed even though I never bought any share, and the share they gave me to make it look legit was returned months ago, so clearly they don't really provide accurate shareholders there.
/c Somebody probably bought a bunch of shares in your name just to troll you. no they actually claim chribba is a supporter as well as a permit holder due to legendary status and that chribba has given much capital I've seen the comments you refer to, but I think that is 80% jest. I mean think about it. How can we gank the veldernaught? It would take every new order agent being online at the same time, and still require outside help. Its easier just to give Chribba a special exemption from code compliance for his time and effort in making resources that we use daily. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-į |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
575
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:43:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Agondray wrote:Percival Rose wrote:Please note shares are not an actual in-game item. It's not an investment in profit but an investment in the continuity of New Order. If you're producing catalysts, and/or mining barges it's obviously good for business to make sure the ganks continue. Chribba wrote:I wouldn't put all your faith into that list though seeing as I'm listed even though I never bought any share, and the share they gave me to make it look legit was returned months ago, so clearly they don't really provide accurate shareholders there.
/c Somebody probably bought a bunch of shares in your name just to troll you. no they actually claim chribba is a supporter as well as a permit holder due to legendary status and that chribba has given much capital I've seen the comments you refer to, but I think that is 80% jest. I mean think about it. How can we gank the veldernaught? It would take every new order agent being online at the same time, and still require outside help. Its easier just to give Chribba a special exemption from code compliance for his time and effort in making resources that we use daily.
I would happily join up to gank that. Just for the sake of being part of the crew that did it. Its a piece of New Eden history right there. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2587
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:41:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Agondray wrote:Percival Rose wrote:Please note shares are not an actual in-game item. It's not an investment in profit but an investment in the continuity of New Order. If you're producing catalysts, and/or mining barges it's obviously good for business to make sure the ganks continue. Chribba wrote:I wouldn't put all your faith into that list though seeing as I'm listed even though I never bought any share, and the share they gave me to make it look legit was returned months ago, so clearly they don't really provide accurate shareholders there.
/c Somebody probably bought a bunch of shares in your name just to troll you. no they actually claim chribba is a supporter as well as a permit holder due to legendary status and that chribba has given much capital I've seen the comments you refer to, but I think that is 80% jest. I mean think about it. How can we gank the veldernaught? It would take every new order agent being online at the same time, and still require outside help. Its easier just to give Chribba a special exemption from code compliance for his time and effort in making resources that we use daily. I would happily join up to gank that. Just for the sake of being part of the crew that did it. Its a piece of New Eden history right there.
I too would bring a gank Talos or Tornado to euthanize the Veldnaught. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --įPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Miulan Ng
Thirty Pieces of Silver
6
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:17:00 -
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Please pardon my newness to the topic, but I'd think someone as influential as James 315 would have been the subject of at least one psychological profile by adversaries and/or allies to aid in strategic planing? Such analysis might provide insight into motivations and hence future, potential actions.  Mors tua, vita mia. |

Winchester Steele
964
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:19:00 -
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James 315 cashes out on the tears of those who oppose him every single day.
ISK is a worthless consideration for a guy like him. ... |

Winchester Steele
964
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:23:00 -
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Miulan Ng wrote:Please pardon my newness to the topic, but I'd think someone as influential as James 315 would have been the subject of at least one psychological profile by adversaries and/or allies to aid in strategic planing? Such analysis might provide insight into motivations and hence future, potential actions. 
His "adversaries" are all either afk or too stupid and entitled to do anything other than cry to CCP.
You might think that statement to be hyperbole. In that case, I challenge you to read minerbumping.com and see for yourself. ... |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2591
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:24:00 -
[21] - Quote
Miulan Ng wrote:Please pardon my newness to the topic, but I'd think someone as influential as James 315 would have been the subject of at least one psychological profile by adversaries and/or allies to aid in strategic planing? Such analysis might provide insight into motivations and hence future, potential actions. 
My analysis of His psychological profile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc#t=45
That is why He will not walk with the NO treasury. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --įPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:38:00 -
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..To the OP. You do realize that the New Order treasury has been at sub one billion ISK many times, and very close to insolvency?
James 315's thread in the Market Discussion forum state ~304 billion in shares sold, true. But ~240 billion of that ISK has been paid out to reimbursements to the Knights who enforce The Code on a daily basis. James simply does not have 304 billion ISK that he could walk away with, like you are implying.
James 315 cares not for ISK. James 315 cares for Eve. That is why he has been granted the title Savior of HighSec. I actually greet him in the fashion that I see him: James 315, Savior of Eve.
OP, by making this thread you have personified that whitch The New Order fights against on a daily basis: ISK Lust. I completely understand why you are so off base. You and your ilk only care about ISK, so James and the Agents must also only care about ISK. Try being baptized in the holy embrace of Concord for a chance. Willingly and faithfully destroy a portion of your fortune. And then, you will see what ISK, and Eve truly is: A very engaging game that is rewarding to those why choose to not be bit-asperients. ..HighSec Mischief and Market Advice - http://rhapsodyvice.blogspot.com/ -Latest entry - 4/10/14 -http://rhapsodyvice.blogspot.com/2014/04/spheres-of-explosions-part-two.html? |

Winchester Steele
968
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:53:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..To the OP. You do realize that the New Order treasury has been at sub one billion ISK many times, and very close to insolvency?
James 315's thread in the Market Discussion forum state ~304 billion in shares sold, true. But ~240 billion of that ISK has been paid out to reimbursements to the Knights who enforce The Code on a daily basis. James simply does not have 304 billion ISK that he could walk away with, like you are implying.
James 315 cares not for ISK. James 315 cares for Eve. That is why he has been granted the title Savior of HighSec. I actually greet him in the fashion that I see him: James 315, Savior of Eve.
OP, by making this thread you have personified that whitch The New Order fights against on a daily basis: ISK Lust. I completely understand why you are so off base. You and your ilk only care about ISK, so James and the Agents must also only care about ISK. Try being baptized in the holy embrace of Concord for a chance. Willingly and faithfully destroy a portion of your fortune. And then, you will see what ISK, and Eve truly is: A very engaging game that is rewarding to those why choose to not be bit-asperients.
He's kind of like Jesus. Only real. ... |

Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
122
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:58:00 -
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Ponzi schemes do pay out for awhile, up until the point that the money flowing in is less than the money flowing out. Paying out only legitimizes the scheme in the eyes of the new na+»ve investor.
It just comes down to the price you will pay for emergent content. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1870
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:08:00 -
[25] - Quote
Sir SmashAlot wrote:Ponzi schemes do pay out for awhile, up until the point that the money flowing in is less than the money flowing out. Paying out only legitimizes the scheme in the eyes of the new na+»ve investor.
It just comes down to the price you will pay for emergent content.
Give me isk and I will blow it all on gank catalysts that explode every time they undock is hardly your typical Ponzi scheme sales pitch though. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:22:00 -
[26] - Quote
Sir SmashAlot wrote:Ponzi schemes do pay out for awhile, up until the point that the money flowing in is less than the money flowing out. Paying out only legitimizes the scheme in the eyes of the new na+»ve investor.
It just comes down to the price you will pay for emergent content.
..Ponzi schemes, however, do not pay out 90% of the money they receive. You know, like The New Order Treasury does. ..HighSec Mischief and Market Advice - http://rhapsodyvice.blogspot.com/ -Latest entry - 4/10/14 -http://rhapsodyvice.blogspot.com/2014/04/spheres-of-explosions-part-two.html? |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:29:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:
He's kind of like Jesus. Only real.
..Like all prolific figures in history, James 315 has been compared to a wide spectrum of notable characters.
Let the comparisons continue, we say. The true believers in The Code all know the moniker that is the most fitting for James: The Father of HighSec and Savior of Eve.
..HighSec Mischief and Market Advice - http://rhapsodyvice.blogspot.com/ -Latest entry - 4/10/14 -http://rhapsodyvice.blogspot.com/2014/04/spheres-of-explosions-part-two.html? |

Doris Dents
Doobie's Dog House Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2014.04.15 13:01:00 -
[28] - Quote
When highsec is saved and bot aspirants play at their keyboard. |

Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
123
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:35:00 -
[29] - Quote
OP does not understand shares in NO at all. Shares are donations to ensure tears continue to flow in high sec. Funds are used to reimburse knights for ships lost in ganks, based on the whether it was a T1, meta, or T2 Catalyst. My ganking alt has received reimbursement for every single loss mail I have submitted. A quick look at minerbumping.com will show you exactly how much ISK NO has in the treasury...it would take a crap-ton of donations in a very short period of time for the treasury to ever reach 500B. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1877
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:31:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:
He's kind of like Jesus. Only real.
..Like all prolific figures in history, James 315 has been compared to a wide spectrum of notable characters. Let the comparisons continue, we say. The true believers in The Code all know the moniker that is the most fitting for James: The Father of HighSec and Savior of Eve.
James is the Ganker of my Heart. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |

Tengu Grib
Maniacal Laughter Ltd.
30
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:30:00 -
[31] - Quote
When all of Eve is safe from bot-aspirancy and bot-aspirant behaviour, then James can walk away with any isk remaining in the New Order treasury, and it will still only be a fraction of what he deserves for his efforts in saving Eve and making New High sec a better place for all.
Until then, there is no reason to walk away, the New Order generates unlimited content for Agents and Rebels alike. Some people value content over isk, for those, the content generated is worth far more than the New Order treasury could ever hold. On top of that, if you assume that the New Order is in fact a ponzi scheme, which you are welcome to believe if you wish, as long as the isk continues to flow in faster than it flows out, there is zero reason to walk away. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL |

Clara Pond
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:07:00 -
[32] - Quote
I have sold six mining licenses, and bought 60 shares with the 60m isk. I have received over 200m in reimbursements in the last 3 weeks, and with loot I am slightly up on the deal.
Worst. Scam. Ever. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2466
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:21:00 -
[33] - Quote
He cashed out on day one. Also, look up "Ponzi Scheme" someday. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
317
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:15:00 -
[34] - Quote
Tengu Grib wrote:When all of Eve is safe from bot-aspirancy and bot-aspirant behaviour, then James can walk away with any isk remaining in the New Order treasury, and it will still only be a fraction of what he deserves for his efforts in saving Eve and making New High sec a better place for all.
And when that happens, James will walk away with 315 billion ISK. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2621
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:40:00 -
[35] - Quote
Hesod Adee wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:When all of Eve is safe from bot-aspirancy and bot-aspirant behaviour, then James can walk away with any isk remaining in the New Order treasury, and it will still only be a fraction of what he deserves for his efforts in saving Eve and making New High sec a better place for all. And when that happens, James will walk away with 315 billion ISK.
That would be an epic ending to a career of public service.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --įPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

B Raan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.04.17 09:49:00 -
[36] - Quote
I could care less if he cashes out or not, as long as he keeps up his blog posts, that **** is hilarious! |

Abulurd Boniface
The Scope Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:24:00 -
[37] - Quote
It was my understanding that, on the occasion of her summary dismissal from our ranks, Erotica 1 sent all her/his/it? ISK to James 315. That was an amount in the very many billions of ISK.
I only need about 77000 ISK though. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1368
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Posted - 2014.04.18 07:56:00 -
[38] - Quote
Miulan Ng wrote:Please pardon my newness to the topic, but I'd think someone as influential as James 315 would have been the subject of at least one psychological profile by adversaries and/or allies to aid in strategic planing? Such analysis might provide insight into motivations and hence future, potential actions.  Check out his youtube videos (Battlefield315); he's a conservative nutcase (no surprise Gevlon fell in love with him) with delusions of being a great propagandist, not much else to it. |

Slave A00073078
The NORRS Flash Mob
20
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Posted - 2014.04.18 16:37:00 -
[39] - Quote
My eve experience from rags to riches has taught me that ISK is essentially worthless. It pretty much falls out of the sky on command. Also his spending on the reimbursement program shows he's unlikely to run off with it, since the amount he receives likely only barely covering the expense of running everything. It's only the recent large donations that put him in higher numbers, but even this amount is hardly worth running off with.
Perhaps space-poor individuals have a different view, but I've found that even making ISK a normal way (i.e not gambling) is so **** easy that it's almost worthless to steal at the amounts were talking about.
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.04.21 17:53:00 -
[40] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Miulan Ng wrote:Please pardon my newness to the topic, but I'd think someone as influential as James 315 would have been the subject of at least one psychological profile by adversaries and/or allies to aid in strategic planing? Such analysis might provide insight into motivations and hence future, potential actions.  Check out his youtube videos (Battlefield315); he's a conservative nutcase (no surprise Gevlon fell in love with him) with delusions of being a great propagandist, not much else to it. Some verification needed on whether or not James 315 is responsible for those youtube posts (battlefield315). Maybe some of our resident CODE fourm regulars could shine some light on this. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
593
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Posted - 2014.04.21 18:06:00 -
[41] - Quote
Slave A00073078 wrote:My eve experience from rags to riches has taught me that ISK is essentially worthless. It pretty much falls out of the sky on command. Also his spending on the reimbursement program shows he's unlikely to run off with it, since the amount he receives likely only barely covering the expense of running everything. It's only the recent large donations that put him in higher numbers, but even this amount is hardly worth running off with.
Perhaps space-poor individuals have a different view, but I've found that even making ISK a normal way (i.e not gambling) is so **** easy that it's almost worthless to steal at the amounts were talking about.
This couldnt be any more true. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Commander Romonov
Star Confederacy
0
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:28:00 -
[42] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I actually thought James was going to do that early on, until I realised just how many gank catalysts He reimburses.
If I were Him, I'd use some of the ISK to buy tech 2 BPOs related to ganking, and run them 24/7, then eventually keep them. I think His entire attitude, however, is that He would rather watch the world burn than have isk.
Why do you capitalise He, Him and His?
He isn't God... |

Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:21:00 -
[43] - Quote
Uh oh, you did it now son. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
594
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:40:00 -
[44] - Quote
Commander Romonov wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I actually thought James was going to do that early on, until I realised just how many gank catalysts He reimburses.
If I were Him, I'd use some of the ISK to buy tech 2 BPOs related to ganking, and run them 24/7, then eventually keep them. I think His entire attitude, however, is that He would rather watch the world burn than have isk. Why do you capitalise He, Him and His? He isn't God...
No, but He is the Savior of Hisec. Such courtesies are expected. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |

Jake Makbema
Viziam Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.04.23 07:32:00 -
[45] - Quote
Praise to the Savior of Highsec! HUZZAH Joseph Askold > In space nobody will hear you talk to yourself. Except Amarrians and Concord because they bugged your ship but thats another story. |

Makie Tachibana
Knights in White Satin
1
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
The problem with this thread is that no-one has anything in the way of evidence, and everyone is arguing what they want to believe. Detractors want to believe that James 315 is a scam artist waiting for the right time to cash out, and the New Order want to believe that he is too devoted to their cause to do such a thing.
Here's the truth: he'll cash out when his desire for the ISK surpasses the motivation against it. All else is speculation. |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
484
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:37:00 -
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Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.
I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-į |

Tengu Grib
Maniacal Laughter Ltd.
49
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:42:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.
I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it.
Agreed on all points. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |

Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:01:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.
I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it. Doesnt his past experience with it involve one of the biggest scams perpetrated in the history of the game?
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
485
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:48:00 -
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Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.
I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it. Doesnt his past experience with it involve one of the biggest scams perpetrated in the history of the game? At the time it was the biggest scam at around 35bill. The eve bank scam was ongoing at that point and was significantly larger. If you truly don't know why I don't think hes scamming currently based on past experience, I suggest you look into the outcome of the Currin Trading incident. I'll give you a hint. He didn't make a cent. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-į |

Makie Tachibana
Knights in White Satin
1
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:28:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:... At the time it was the biggest scam at around 35bill. The eve bank scam was ongoing at that point and was significantly larger. If you truly don't know why I don't think hes scamming currently based on past experience, I suggest you look into the outcome of the Currin Trading incident. I'll give you a hint. He didn't make a cent. I'm not quite sure how you come to this conclusion. From his own account of the Currin Trading events:
Quote:I lied. I cheated people. I used people to help me scam their friends. I was the cause of widespread bankruptcy. But the most damning thing of all? I think I can live with it, and if I had it to do all over again, I would. To my surprise, a guilty conscience was a small price to pay for thirty billion isk. So I will learn to live with it, because I can live with it. I can live with it, but... He kept the money. He just justified it to himself by drawing attention to the Eve Intergalactic Bank scam.
http://themittani.com/features/ancient-history-currin-trading-confession |

Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:35:00 -
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I do recall reading about the incident though I dont think I got to the end. Sometimes I find its difficult to get all the way through James's essays. |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
487
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:06:00 -
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Makie Tachibana wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:... At the time it was the biggest scam at around 35bill. The eve bank scam was ongoing at that point and was significantly larger. If you truly don't know why I don't think hes scamming currently based on past experience, I suggest you look into the outcome of the Currin Trading incident. I'll give you a hint. He didn't make a cent. I'm not quite sure how you come to this conclusion. From James' own account of the Currin Trading events: Quote:I lied. I cheated people. I used people to help me scam their friends. I was the cause of widespread bankruptcy. But the most damning thing of all? I think I can live with it, and if I had it to do all over again, I would. To my surprise, a guilty conscience was a small price to pay for thirty billion isk. So I will learn to live with it, because I can live with it. I can live with it, but... He kept the money. He just justified it to himself by drawing attention to the Eve Intergalactic Bank scam. http://themittani.com/features/ancient-history-currin-trading-confession I appologize, I misread that. I still doubt he will walk off with the money, and maintain that I don't really care if he does. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-į |

Morgause Aquitania
Bene Minmatar Sisterhood
1
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Posted - 2014.04.24 03:03:00 -
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Miulan Ng wrote:Please pardon my newness to the topic, but I'd think someone as influential as James 315 would have been the subject of at least one psychological profile by adversaries and/or allies to aid in strategic planing? Such analysis might provide insight into motivations and hence future, potential actions. 
Dear Ms. Miulan,
The Bene Minmatar Sisterhood has already published a preliminar report on James 315. Please navigate to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=337577 to read its summary.
Our studies mainly tackle the religious aspects of this phenomenon - such as the messiahship complex - but I concur that a psychological profile would be key to provide insight to strategists and planners.
In summation, although our report is not a study solely focused on James 315's persona and its psychological manifestations - or lack thereof, we do explain away one of the fundamental aspects of his character: the messiaship complex, and his perverted vision of a Mankind where concepts such as Betrayal, Awoxing, Ganking, and Murder will be paramount. |
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