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Aarin Wrath
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Posted - 2006.05.12 20:17:00 -
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The setting:
Mining ore in an Osprey with my corp mate running to and from a station in a badger in 0.7.
The first move:
In flies some dirt bag (we shall call him DB) in the cheapest iteron available. Steals ore from my jet can and starts trash talking me about bieng a macro miner / how much i suck / blah blah blah.
What to do oh what to do?:
Well first instinct is blow the douch bag but there was something not right about the whole thing.
What was that you ask? shurley the rebel scum must die!:
Before DB flew in, a Carcal warped in just before him. What the heck would a carcal be doing in a 0.7 belt? Hmmm. Ratting? not likely.
The nefarious plan revealed:
Well a Carcal ... seems kinda overpowered for 0.7 dont it. Ahhh, unless he is ganged with DB in the iteron. Hmmm, I'll bet once I blow the iteron Mr Carcal will light me up and squish my osprey into space goo. They loose an cheapo interon .. I loose my 4.5 million mining ship and equipment.
What? You dident fall for it?
Close but no cigar. I was mad. Real mad. I started trash talking the guy. Unfortuatly he was not very good at trashing back. DB went straight to baiting which showed me his hand. He wanted a fight. He had a Ace (the carcal) up his sleve. Therefore best way to win was to warp out of the system and complain to his corp, and his alliance.
No splosion for the DB. He goes home empty handed.
Moral of the story:
Stay calm, stay cool. Think before you move.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.12 20:22:00 -
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You could have killed him, the caracal cant do a thing.
You and your corp / gang may attack and kill the can thief but only the can thief may defend himself. His gang / corp may not defend him.
Worse case scenario is DB swops into the caracal and kills you.
Moral of the story?
You should have spent your smacktalking time brushing up on game mechnanics. You lost a kill
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Aarin Wrath
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Posted - 2006.05.12 20:28:00 -
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Hmmm I figured once I aggro'd him I would be free lunch meat for him and his gang.
I asked on help about ore stealing and got two seperate answers to wheather or not I could kill him. Bunch said yes, bunch said no.
Alas live and learn.
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Niques Leutre
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Posted - 2006.05.12 22:16:00 -
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That happened to me once... except I managed to light up the guy with the awsome power of my Osprey's assault launcher and drones. I laughed at the poor sap when he realized can flagging wasn't group-wide. He then promptly left the system.
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Karadmah
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Posted - 2006.05.13 19:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
You could have killed him, the caracal cant do a thing.
You and your corp / gang may attack and kill the can thief but only the can thief may defend himself. His gang / corp may not defend him.
Worse case scenario is DB swops into the caracal and kills you.
Moral of the story?
You should have spent your smacktalking time brushing up on game mechnanics. You lost a kill
Not actually true DT. If the miner attacked, then any member of the thief's corp could strike back.
The best advice for genuine game players who want to mine, is to find a nice quiet system, there are still plenty about.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.13 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Karadmah
Originally by: Deja Thoris
You could have killed him, the caracal cant do a thing.
You and your corp / gang may attack and kill the can thief but only the can thief may defend himself. His gang / corp may not defend him.
Worse case scenario is DB swops into the caracal and kills you.
Moral of the story?
You should have spent your smacktalking time brushing up on game mechnanics. You lost a kill
Not actually true DT. If the miner attacked, then any member of the thief's corp could strike back.
The best advice for genuine game players who want to mine, is to find a nice quiet system, there are still plenty about.
I'm sure you are not correct.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.13 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Karadmah
Not actually true DT. If the miner attacked, then any member of the thief's corp could strike back.
Wrong.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.13 22:13:00 -
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and one other thing you can do is use an anchored can. Then they can't get in it.
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Niques Leutre
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Posted - 2006.05.13 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Karadmah
Not actually true DT. If the miner attacked, then any member of the thief's corp could strike back.
They're right, it's not true.
Click the linky in my sig about a similar story involving can-flagging. The corpmate couldn't help out the leader even though they were both in the same player corp, because retaliation for can flagging is solo.
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9854365
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Posted - 2006.05.13 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: 9854365 on 13/05/2006 23:01:29
HaHa had that happen once.. Guy kept snooping around, finally 3 friends show up with him.. They were all in battleships, he ina hauler..
I opened fire on the thief, then his friends did on me. Concord wtfbbpwned his friends and i got many named mods after the fire works were over.
Noobs not understanding game mechanics 4tw..
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Revan Bloodmoon
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Posted - 2006.05.14 00:30:00 -
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it is true..the carcal could have attacked...me and my a corp mate were in .5 and he stole this loot from a guy who wasnt online..so were sittin there in a belt just talkin to eachother and then the guy comes in and start shootin at my friend...so he asks help cuz the guy was in a ferox...so i start letting loose on him with missles and never once did concord warp in and kill me
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.14 03:08:00 -
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The trick is to have a friend in the gang mission running in a big ship, and a warp scram on your miner.
hardass thief opens fire, you scram, friend warps in on thief and omgwtfbbqs him.
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Blitz'Krieg
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Posted - 2006.05.14 14:21:00 -
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there is no way his gang could have attacked, just him. more than likely if you shot up his iteron hed be back in a decent ship asap. This happens all the time in jita etc, ore thief frigates with bs's in station. Unless you have the backup to take on a battleship i would never recomend atacking an ore thief without a good look at how old he is and what ship hes capable of. Gangs ftw.
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Niques Leutre
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Posted - 2006.05.14 14:33:00 -
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The corp mates can only attack if you pick up a can owned by the corp. IE, if the guy moved the ore into his can and you grabbed it. Otherwise why would he bother moving the ore in the first place?
You don't pick up the ore, you can fire on him without his friends helping.
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BerekHalfhand
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:26:00 -
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All hail the microwarp merlin, its the dogs for stealing and with the help of my trusty friend in the hauler we will reap the rewards. Ilove cloaks and warp scrams , just ask BrillianceGirl lol
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DarkElf
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Posted - 2006.05.18 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: DarkElf on 18/05/2006 10:37:26
Edited by: DarkElf on 18/05/2006 10:35:39
As far as i know. If someone steals from a can he is flagged to the entire corp. If someone steals your can and you attack back none of his corp can return fire.
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Hen Broon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Edited by: DarkElf on 18/05/2006 10:37:26
Edited by: DarkElf on 18/05/2006 10:35:39
As far as i know. If someone steals from a can he is flagged to the entire corp. If someone steals your can and you attack back none of his corp can return fire.
As an ex-member of a highly profitable Ore Theft Corp (Forced Asset Relocation Team) I can assure you that you are only flagged to the individual whose can it was and to any GANG members that he is associated with. other corps members can only watch as the theft takes place.
....and justice for all 
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:37:00 -
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all of this could easily be solved with 3 ibis' and 1 unit of trit. lets find out and test it?
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BerekHalfhand
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: FooB2
all of this could easily be solved with 3 ibis' and 1 unit of trit. lets find out and test it?
Foob2 have u got the isk for that
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Deimm
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:59:00 -
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Id be up for testing it.
mail me in game what race to pick and ill come and see if we cant figger it out.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2006.05.19 05:27:00 -
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Had a guy in Jita who asked me to help him "test his setup". Just grab this thing out of the can and we'd be good to go. Sure 
Anyway....I was near a station at the time. I was going to tell him, "Nah, but why don't you pick out of my can instead?"
I didn't do it because I did not know if despite him being flagged to me if I attacked near a station if the station would open fire. I also did not know if he had a BS waiting in station and could bring that out and if it went that way if the station would let me dock with an aggression timer.
Yeah...suppose I should know all that but don't. Anyone care to enlighten me here?
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Kiyirari
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:19:00 -
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As an old ore thief, a hobby i gave up several months ago. I decided to test this can flagging buisness to see whats its all about  on a rather bored night in empire...
After many successful can lootings i came across a small corp which wanted meh @$$ on a silver plate for meh crimes 
Upon looting the corps can i discovered that all thier members could quite happy shoot meh  and a chase over several systems occured, i even came back for seconds its was so much fun 
As for the looter comitting the crime i'm unsure if the rest of their gang can shoot back 
But the looter can once you have made an aggressive move upon his/her ship...
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Niques Leutre
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:45:00 -
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The scenario:
Lone Miner VS ganged (or corporation of) gankers.
- One Ganker takes the ore and puts it in his own can.
- The Miner can now fire on the Ganker without the Ganker's allies intervening, so long as he doesn't attempt to access the can of stolen ore.
- Only when Miner tries to take the stolen ore back will he be flagged to the group or ganker corp.
To sum up: The corporation or gang does NOT get kill rights if a player fires at a thief. I've tested this multiple times against thieves and high-sec pirates.
PS -- Why was this thread resurrected after four days? Let sleeping threads lie. 
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Lord TMac
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:53:00 -
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I pulled up and began mining beside a guy with his drones out. The moron attacked me for trying to mine the patch of kernite he was at. Needless to say I was about to retaliate with my drones and launchers...but he went poof beside me and suddenly there was a little pod floating there. Somebody should have told him concord likes to kill morons.
Best part was watching half the system's concord fleet orbit the belt for awhile :).
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