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Loviza
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Posted - 2006.05.13 01:38:00 -
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Im an avid fan of supporting in this game, I have especially designed Geddons to really help out my friends on missions. With the recent upgraded drones in the game I was soooooo happy, this would help me help my friends even more.
Ok, first of all, just supporting at all is risky, having your friends targeted (non corp members especially) is like a risky business as it is. I always have security on tho so I get a warning when I press wrong.
Support ships usually need to be loaded with non weapons and often you need to make a huge sacrifice in resistances aswell to be able to support properly. Makes it even more risky to go support.
Added to this comes the new repair/shield drones. These are the real killers especially in hi sec space, where the dreaded CONCORD operate. Why you may ask?
1. To use a repair/shield drone you need to use the engage button. This is considered hostile. You can press yes tho and they go repair. Its ok, CONCORD wont *****you just yet.
2. Even if you havent checked the box that you dont want any more hostile message warnings the game dont give a **** about it.
3. So, next time youre accidently put that jammer/weapon/webber/drone on a friend you never get a warning.
This happens to easy for one going support, since we have our friends targeted most of the time. Ok, no problem you may say, because this is a known bug and CCP would reimburse you if you lost a ship this way.
Nope, they dont, because all they see in their logs is the fact you shoot/webbed/jammed/droned another ship and CONCORD reacted accordingly.
To be fair this is the first real bad side Ive seen in CCP. I was honestly happily surprised to see a corporation being so open and friendly to their community. Sadly this Lying crashes that fascade. This brings them back to a normal level of a MMO company.
Most of all I DONT WANT TO BE ONE BUTTON AWAY FROM GETTING MY SHIP BLOWN TO PIECES!
Secondly you CCP should face your problem like youve done in the past and actually reimburse until youve fixed the problem!
Just my thoughts and I know Im not the only one, but I can easily say Im in minority, since Ive never heard of anyone else going support the way Ive done unless youre in a big Alliance doing fleetbatles often.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.13 01:52:00 -
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2006.05.13 01:59:00 -
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I assume you and your friends are not in the same corp. Would setting standing to +10 help?
Possible Fix:
CONCORD should just superjam someone with zero/positive sec status the first time they aggressed.
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Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2006.05.13 01:59:00 -
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just something to add to this that i find funny that i read here once
if you are remote repairing someone in high sec and thier drone shoots you concord will kill both of you for "assisting" in your own death 
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Loviza
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Loviza on 13/05/2006 02:01:01
Not sure about the standing, but we was in the same Alliance....which makes it even more sucky.
EDIT: No I dont want you Justus :P
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Sandeep
I assume you and your friends are not in the same corp. Would setting standing to +10 help?
Possible Fix:
CONCORD should just superjam someone with zero/positive sec status the first time they aggressed.
Smartbombs dont require a lock :)
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:01:00 -
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I REALLY don't understand why they haven't figured out an IFF system. Ohh WAIT. they do. FoF missles work.. I know differnt reasons..
But still. if someone is in your gang, you should NOT be able to do anything to damage them. They should be part of your gang...
you shouldn't be able to use any damageing attacks, any modules that would impair them, or anything like that. Then we could get rid of the concord problems.
I mean if i spent 96% of my life in space, I'd SURE as hell make sure my ship won't target my buddies, and vise versa.
Why the hell can't we have a simple IFF system.
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sandeep on 13/05/2006 02:07:06
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Sandeep
I assume you and your friends are not in the same corp. Would setting standing to +10 help?
Possible Fix:
CONCORD should just superjam someone with zero/positive sec status the first time they aggressed.
Smartbombs dont require a lock :)
ok.. super-nos too..
and these are just for the first aggression toward any target in the same system.
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury
I REALLY don't understand why they haven't figured out an IFF system. Ohh WAIT. they do. FoF missles work.. I know differnt reasons..
But still. if someone is in your gang, you should NOT be able to do anything to damage them. They should be part of your gang...
you shouldn't be able to use any damageing attacks, any modules that would impair them, or anything like that. Then we could get rid of the concord problems.
I mean if i spent 96% of my life in space, I'd SURE as hell make sure my ship won't target my buddies, and vise versa.
Why the hell can't we have a simple IFF system.
Ability to shoot gang/corp mates for testing weapons.
IFF can be overridden, just like in real life. Computers help you identify and target, they don't restrict.
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Vereen
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Vereen on 13/05/2006 02:14:19
Originally by: Sonos SAGD
just something to add to this that i find funny that i read here once
if you are remote repairing someone in high sec and thier drone shoots you concord will kill both of you for "assisting" in your own death
Sadly this is considered "We cant see any server side errors/bugs and because of that we cant reimburse you". This it the lie Im refering to, they darn well know they have a problem, why not reimburse people until its fixed?
EDIT: Crap, this is me Loviza. Why does it always wanna put my alt which I dont even use as first hand choice?
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vereen
this is me Loviza. Why does it always wanna put my alt which I dont even use as first hand choice?
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Loviza
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:21:00 -
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Thanks sanddeep, but Ive been doing that now for like 100 times.
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Loviza
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:34:00 -
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Well, to get back to topic, why does CCP even have implemented support modules and skills if they aint supposed to be used?!
Yes I got fooled I really thought CCP was special among the actors on the market... Now Ive learnt they are not.
and also lol at their support service, so sweet talking how they understand me and all, damn they should get some reward for it, but lying straight into my face and also in the same reply saying that they are promising me that they are gonna fix these future bugs is just hilarious.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:47:00 -
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if someone is in your gang it should be the same as being in the same corp far as accidental damage goes. now before people say how this could be griefed, one should allways be carefull of who they gang with.(people in any MMO need to learn this TBH because back in EQ wizards would randomly drop people in unfriendly places)
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Loviza
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:58:00 -
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Yes I agree, theres reasons behind their thing, Im voting for keeping it as it is tho, its better people like me who have played a while get ganked from CONCORD then some newbie.
It is to protect the new people. I soooo agree with CCPs reasoning there. But I was with an alliance friend... couldnt they at least make alliance the same as corp? But better yet JUST FIX THE DRONES AND REIMBURSE PEOPLE UNTIL YOU HAVE!!!
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Bohoba
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Posted - 2006.05.13 02:59:00 -
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Ya this is one thing they could work on
a gang member should be treated as a corp member while in gang.
That would be nice
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.05.13 03:40:00 -
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I agree, support needs to be worked on - I'm glad this is a good rant with a purpose, gj 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.13 03:58:00 -
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Perhaps these 'bugs' are just CCP's way of telling people to get the **** out of NPC corps and gang with PC corpmates...
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Glyn Davish
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Posted - 2006.05.13 04:04:00 -
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Too bad you can't have support locks in addition to the normal hostile locks.
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Millsy1
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Posted - 2006.05.13 04:17:00 -
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And what about trying to do support, while still having guns?
I have a support Ship with repair drones and 2 remote armor/shield transfers. PLus 3 Nos and 3 Missle launchers. So During an op, I might have 3 Friendlys targetted, and 3 or 4 enemy ships targetted.
I can not count the number of times I've nearly blown up friendly ships, because the game lagged, and when I THOUGHT I was clicking on the next enemy ship, I ACTUALLY just sent 3 Cruise missles at a friendly frigate! Because, Oh wait, someone else just blew my target up. It's the worst system I have ever seen for "helping" people.
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Loviza
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Posted - 2006.05.13 04:40:00 -
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Agree, thats why I think its an important topic, they havent exactly made it easy for support, if CCP also refuse to reimburse for their obvious ingame errors/bugs then no one would even consider making this game anything else then packing the ships full of guns. Well that game I refuse to play, because theres better games out there then.
So CCP wake up!
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2006.05.13 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Loviza
Well, to get back to topic, why does CCP even have implemented support modules and skills if they aint supposed to be used?!
Yes I got fooled I really thought CCP was special among the actors on the market... Now Ive learnt they are not.
and also lol at their support service, so sweet talking how they understand me and all, damn they should get some reward for it, but lying straight into my face and also in the same reply saying that they are promising me that they are gonna fix these future bugs is just hilarious.
Those support modules are for same corp use, or in lower sec space, some of us actually have a clue and read up on this stuff, god knows theres tons of previous posts on gang/corp assist/aggro behaviour.
What you meant to actually post was....
CCP, please give my stuff back because i cannot research or read posts properly and i lost my ship due to my own actions.
Not CCP's fault you cant read, and certainly not their problem you lost a ship.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.13 06:08:00 -
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support ships are too short rangesd to be of any use. support modules need a major increase in range, as it is you cannot get near enough your teammate to repair him by the time he dies, if you can then its likely he would have pulled through anyways.
there needs to be some way to 'forgive' aggression, too.
also as for the 'official' logistics ships like the basilisk, battleships make for better support ships, large shield and cap and stuff transporters have more range then medium
the closest thing i can come to as far as support goes in gangs is using an ECM boat like a blackbird. cant do any damage at all but i can help the gang
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Najenna
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Posted - 2006.05.13 06:20:00 -
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I Agree with everyone in this topic. I have been playing Eve since Beta and this is a real issue from not reimbursing to not fixing the problem. I agree that they should have some type of support targetting. When you join a gang you get a warning that the corp may be in a war and that the enemy forces can attack you while in the gang. So why cant we give support to our comrades if we are in gang or in the same alliance? C.C.P. seriously needs to look into this issue and resolve it and also they need to reimburse people that have lost ships and modules do to thier lack of fixing this bug that has been around since suppport ship have come out.
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Loviza
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Posted - 2006.05.13 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Xtro 2
Originally by: Loviza
Well, to get back to topic, why does CCP even have implemented support modules and skills if they aint supposed to be used?!
Yes I got fooled I really thought CCP was special among the actors on the market... Now Ive learnt they are not.
and also lol at their support service, so sweet talking how they understand me and all, damn they should get some reward for it, but lying straight into my face and also in the same reply saying that they are promising me that they are gonna fix these future bugs is just hilarious.
Those support modules are for same corp use, or in lower sec space, some of us actually have a clue and read up on this stuff, god knows theres tons of previous posts on gang/corp assist/aggro behaviour.
What you meant to actually post was....
CCP, please give my stuff back because i cannot research or read posts properly and i lost my ship due to my own actions.
Not CCP's fault you cant read, and certainly not their problem you lost a ship.
I wont get my ship back. It is wrong, but thats not the issue here. The issue is I dont want to be one button away from doom each time I try to help my friend and I know theres others who feel the same.
So Mr Smartass, are you gonna comment some solution, being constructive or just flaming me? If it is the later then **** off from my thread.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.13 08:47:00 -
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Supporting pilots that are not in your corp is a big nogo in highsec.
EVE has no working group support built into the client.
The target shuffling does not help a bit.
Overview is the most unreliable part, paralleled only by the autotargeting systems.
Oh, aggressions used to be possible within gangs. That has been taken out because it was abused to gank pilots in highsec and it took a really long time to make ccp remove that feature.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.13 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Loviza
So Mr Smartass, are you gonna comment some solution, being constructive or just flaming me?
The solution would be, pay attention and stop shooting up your buddies. 
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.13 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Loviza
So Mr Smartass, are you gonna comment some solution, being constructive or just flaming me?
The solution would be, pay attention and stop shooting up your buddies.
News for you: Not possible if you have more than just support targets locked.
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Posted - 2006.05.13 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Loviza
So Mr Smartass, are you gonna comment some solution, being constructive or just flaming me?
The solution would be, pay attention and stop shooting up your buddies.
News for you: Not possible if you have more than just support targets locked.
Entirely possible, because huge numbers of support pilots manage to not shoot up their buddies.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
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Posted - 2006.05.13 09:03:00 -
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simple solution - if you want to support a buddie on the battlefield.
get a dedicated support cruiser (logistic cruiser or it's t1 counterpart) ... put the right modules on it ... e.g. exequeror with med remote repper has something around 20km+ ... don't put weapons on your ship - fitting wise and to avoid "accidents"
if you're flying a support ship in hi-sec combat (aka missions) ... don't use offensive modules.
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