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Perun Teutus	Posted - 2006.05.13 08:23:00 - [1] Hi Im flying Caracal(C) or Ferox(BC), and was wondering what is the best way to get rid of the ships like gurista webifier or Gurista kyoukan. Why cant i deal more damage to them? 1. Is it because theyre fast? 2. Is it because theyre small? 3. Is it because of their setup? Thanks guys
Merin Ryskin	Posted - 2006.05.13 08:26:00 - [2] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 13/05/2006 08:27:31 The problem is the small signiature radius on the frigates. If you're using heavy missiles, you won't be hitting for full damage. The solution: Target painter for your heavies, and a 3/2 heavy/assault split work nicely. The target painter gives a decent improvement in damage, and the pair of assault launchers hurt frigates badly without taking too much away from your long-range and anti-cruiser ability. In the case of the Kyoukan (if it's the ship I'm thinking of), it's an assault frigate with the usual high resistances. It'll be a bit slow to kill (as in a minute maybe), but you should have no problem with it.
War Ping	Posted - 2006.05.13 08:30:00 - [3] If your using heavy missiles i find the best way is to target paint them(more painters the better), if your using guns(ferox) try using smaller guns or webbing them.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.05.13 08:49:00 - [4] precision scourge missiles ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.05.13 08:51:00 - [5] Drones?
Perun Teutus	Posted - 2006.05.13 09:02:00 - [6] Yeah i forgot to mention. I AM using heavy missiles on both of them. I didnt notice a bigger difference with 1 Target Painter I. I havent tried the drones yet, maybe thats the solution.
babylonstew	Posted - 2006.05.13 09:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Jim Raynor precision scourge missiles what he said ^^^
Agent2 Holtze	Posted - 2006.05.13 09:09:00 - [8] Originally by: babylonstew Originally by: Jim Raynor precision scourge missiles what he said ^^^ Yarh
Perun Teutus	Posted - 2006.05.13 10:36:00 - [9] Thank you all. scourge precision missiles it is...
Merin Ryskin	Posted - 2006.05.13 17:42:00 - [10] Just remember that with a full rack of 5 precision heavies, you're down to less than 25% of your normal velocity. Have fun crawling along at 50 m/s and losing your distance tank. You might kill a bit more effectively than the T1 heavies/painter combo, but you WILL NOT be able to hold range on them.
James Adams	Posted - 2006.05.13 17:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Just remember that with a full rack of 5 precision heavies, you're down to less than 25% of your normal velocity. Have fun crawling along at 50 m/s and losing your distance tank. You might kill a bit more effectively than the T1 heavies/painter combo, but you WILL NOT be able to hold range on them. Hold range on something that flies 2km/s in a Ferox/Caracal It won't matter if he is flying 200 or 50 m/s. And in any case you can always switch back to regular ammo as soon as the little buggers are dead
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.13 18:03:00 - [12] or just pop them as they MWD in
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.13 18:16:00 - [13] uhm... web them? ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Merin Ryskin	Posted - 2006.05.13 18:41:00 - [14] Originally by: James Adams Hold range on something that flies 2km/s in a Ferox/Caracal It won't matter if he is flying 200 or 50 m/s. And in any case you can always switch back to regular ammo as soon as the little buggers are dead The Kyoukan doesn't fly anywhere near that fast, and that's one of the ships he said he was having problems with.
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Grimpak uhm... web them? except that webbers don't help missiles hit frigs. I've flow the carcal and missile ferox for too many L3 missions to count, and here is my evaluation of ways to kill webifiers and other tough frigs: Use Heavy Missiles and Guided Missile Precision Skill. T1 ammo is fine. Use drones. Don't use target painters as this reduces your tank for what i've found to be little damage gain. -= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-
Duncan Storne	Posted - 2006.05.13 21:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Cade Morrigan Originally by: Grimpak uhm... web them? except that webbers don't help missiles hit frigs. I've flow the carcal and missile ferox for too many L3 missions to count, and here is my evaluation of ways to kill webifiers and other tough frigs: Use Heavy Missiles and Guided Missile Precision Skill. T1 ammo is fine. Use drones. Don't use target painters as this reduces your tank for what i've found to be little damage gain. I'll second this. Guided Missile Precision and Drones (Vespa). A target painter can help a bit if you can afford to weaken your tank. The best named painter gives the same bonus as Tech2 with lower fitting requirements. They are fairly inexpensive, too.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.13 22:11:00 - [17] Shoot them as they MWD towards you, and they will instapop. Its their sig radius. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Kalaan Oratay	Posted - 2006.05.13 23:31:00 - [18] Drones imo, I have no difficulties.. dont waste ammo on em that way ---
Kolhell	Posted - 2006.05.14 01:39:00 - [19] ratting is supposed to make isk, so isnt using t2 ammo kinda counterproductive? whatever, just fit a painter and train up that skill that lowers the explosion radius of your missiles. ------------------------- bury the hatchet
James Adams	Posted - 2006.05.14 01:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: James Adams Hold range on something that flies 2km/s in a Ferox/Caracal It won't matter if he is flying 200 or 50 m/s. And in any case you can always switch back to regular ammo as soon as the little buggers are dead The Kyoukan doesn't fly anywhere near that fast, and that's one of the ships he said he was having problems with. Courtesy of http://npc.elfarto.com/index.php Guristas Kyoukan Bounty: 30,000 ISK Orbit range: 7,500m Orbit velocity: 300m/s Maximum velocity: 1,800m/s Close enough
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.14 05:10:00 - [21] Hit them with missiles while they're MWDing at you, they die in a salvo. In a BC, you just stick 5 light drones on him, and watch it die.
Cruz	Posted - 2006.05.14 05:37:00 - [22] hobgoblin IIs make good work of them. .................
Merin Ryskin	Posted - 2006.05.14 05:42:00 - [23] Originally by: James Adams Courtesy of http://npc.elfarto.com/index.php Guristas Kyoukan Bounty: 30,000 ISK Orbit range: 7,500m Orbit velocity: 300m/s Maximum velocity: 1,800m/s Close enough Huh, that's odd. It never seems like they use that speed effectively, so I guess it's a problem with the AI? It prefers to use the 300m/s orbit velocity instead, and not the MWD?
Hickock	Posted - 2006.05.14 06:18:00 - [24] Edited by: Hickock on 14/05/2006 06:19:06 Originally by: Cade Morrigan Originally by: Grimpak uhm... web them? except that webbers don't help missiles hit frigs. I've flow the carcal and missile ferox for too many L3 missions to count, and here is my evaluation of ways to kill webifiers and other tough frigs: Use Heavy Missiles and Guided Missile Precision Skill. T1 ammo is fine. Use drones. Don't use target painters as this reduces your tank for what i've found to be little damage gain. What he said. No point gimping setup for the cruisers to get the frigs. My prefence Drones and 2 125 mm railguns to augment the Heavies. Absurdity, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.05.15 02:58:00 - [25] I don't even bother with the 125s, i put a pair of 250mm on there and kill cruisers faster. Drones and heavies take out the frigs well enough. -= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-

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