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Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:18:00 -
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It's interesting to see that CCP have decided to make the summer expansion not a patch expansion or a content expansion but are actively killing ingame professions.
30-40% reduction in loot reprocessing is very harmful to salvagers. Limitless station research slots is fatal to highsec researchers who use POS. No standings requirement to anchor POS is fatal to people who boost standings for POS deployment.
That's two professions dead and a third drastically nerfed right there.
I wonder what the logic is behind this. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Well, for one, salvagers don't care about loot reprocessing GÇö they care about salvage.
Alright then "looters/salvagers" I thought that was clear.
Looting and salvaging level 4's for example about 80% of the ISK comes from loot. A 30-40% drop in value is significant. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:36:00 -
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Boltorano wrote: That lost income to mission runners will most likely result in more income for miners, which is something I'm completely fine with. "Mining with guns." should never have been a thing, and CCP has slowly been correcting that error.
Yeah. Seems reasonable to me. Create a "Sandbox", let people create their own professions and then remove them.
Sure it's corrective. But "sandbox" it is not.
Edit : Not that it really matters in trying to argue that Eve isn't much of a sandbox these days; it was always a fucxing stupid marketing campaign. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:41:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: seriously is there a single time that anyone has ever used sandbox in a post in one of these threads where their post didn't amount to whining that anything could possibly change
Hey, I don't mind. I run a POS standing business - just got into it - but I'm not fussed. All I started out asking somewhere in this mess was "I wonder what their reasoning is." As per usual I know people who are quitting over the reprocessing change if nothing else. I'm sure my friend who runs a R&D business will consider leaving since it is his primary income and now it's not a thing anymore. I'm not going anywhere
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Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:46:00 -
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[quote=Rivr Luzade I think what people complain about is that CCP stated several times that "no gameplay is removed", yet they remove gameplay. That has nothing to do with change happening or not. It just shows that CCP doesn't think things through.[/quote]
Pretty much.
"Reprocessing loot makes too many minerals."
Who introduced the mobile tractor, enabling mission runners to passively loot things?
Classic. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I'm sure my friend who runs a R&D business will consider leaving since it is his primary income and now it's not a thing anymore. I'm not going anywhere But his primary income source is still a thing. So far, contrary to all the doomsaying, the only profession that gets a slight kick in the nuts is corp-with-POS-standings creators. vOv
So you're saying when you can install essentially limitless ME/PE jobs just by travelling there will still be demand for people who research for you?
Currently the R&D industry is
1. We want research done 2. We don't want to have to wait for station slots 3. We will pay you for this research.
So now station slots are abundant so he won't get paid to do people's research. The end. Even then, a premium on that is that finding a POS spot that is desirable is difficult. No longer. They'll either be so abundant because you can anchor anywhere or the larger alliances such as Red Vs Blue will do a customs office on moons as well. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:00:00 -
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Khoul Ay'd wrote:
++ Where are all of the ice products coming from to feed all of the coming 0.8 - 1.0 poses that will go up. CCP, you do remember that you nerfed ice mining for the email operators a few expansions ago, right?
Dude, you're fine. Do what you did to customs offices. Go around and take all the moons because there's no restriction on doing so and then sell them. They just removed the only thing stopping overwhelming numbers from owning every highsec moon. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
This will change to: 1. We want research done 2. We don't want to pay the exorbitant fee or hunt around for cheap systems. 3. We will pay you for this research at a less exorbitant fee.
Oh, and ye olde business of just selling researched blueprints GÇö especially given all the complaints you're seeing that people don't want to risk moving their BPOs around.
You've not seen me complain about the risk because I'm right there with CCP on risk = reward. I have no issue with it.
But I very very strongly doubt that anyone will want to pay anyone else when they can remotely see that a station 10j away is offering research dirt cheap. Unless they make highsec station ME/PE slots so expensive that 100m/month is worthwhile for 12 ME slots (1 DG small tower, 3x Labs) they will simply have killed it. It was all about rarity of slots. The hassle of finding a service provider, paying them, trusting them with your BPO's, relying on their good practice/timely delivery is nothing compared to shuttle to nearest cheap station > install > forget about them. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:10:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: what the **** would we or anyone do with every highsec moon
**** people off by holding them in an unassailably large alliance... get a small tower for 60m, offline it. Costs you nothing and pisses anyone who wants it off. I thought that's what you guys specialize in TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:13:00 -
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Tra'con Han wrote:Sorry, but I think the removal of the standings to anchor a pos is an absolute disgrace.
Lets put Eve on easy because people are too lazy to commit to a project!
And this, to a degree, is also true.
The barrier to entry removal of say, scanning, was great. Scanning was confusing and difficult. My finds dropped in value because more people were finding them, I didn't mind. The content was engaging and fun and should have been simple since it's in the tutorial anyway.
There is something satisfying about getting an empire to like you enough that you can get a piece of their real estate. It made sense, canonically. It acted as a barrier to entry so you had to either work hard to get the required standing or you had to pay someone. That's pretty much how the free market works.
Without the barrier to entry it'll just be a blobfest just like customs offices, plus it makes no sense. Someone who is literally kill on sight by Gallente can anchor a control tower in gallente prime if they are spry enough to avoid the police. That'll be interesting for faction warfare. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
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Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:15:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Weaselior wrote: what the **** would we or anyone do with every highsec moon
**** people off by holding them in an unassailably large alliance... get a small tower for 60m, offline it. Costs you nothing and pisses anyone who wants it off. I thought that's what you guys specialize in then watch as all of them get blown up left and right because an offline small is trivial to afk kill we'd be trolling ourselves more than anyone else
And I referred to Red and Blue in my post you quoted and not goon because you guys are nullsec and have null interested. RVB are constantly looking for combat in highsec. Defending control towers - like customs offices - would be right up their street. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:38:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Casual players are not allowed to play Eve. Didn't you get the memo? They are directing anyone who has a real life and can't commit at least 2 hours a day every day to Eve to wait for Star Citizen to boot up.
I must admit, Mike Azariah has done another bang-up job defending the high sec casual player.
Eve's gameplay should require constant attention and not allow casual play. Current design philosophy (from what you've said).
Eve's skill training system requires barely any attention at all but completely restricts your ability to do practically everything gameplay-wise. Current skill training philosophy.
It's like living in crazyland. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 20:46:00 -
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Having just caught up I'd like to point out that the idea of congestion charges for my laboratories on my POS which I pay the fuel for is fuxking idiotic. Exactly to whom am I paying these fees - me? It's my POS. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 20:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Having just caught up I'd like to point out that the idea of congestion charges for my laboratories on my POS which I pay the fuel for is fuxking idiotic. Exactly to whom am I paying these fees - me? It's my POS. What benefits you more? GÇó Having, say, 30 slots per tower so you constantly have to keep 3 of them up just because there are occasional periods where you need 90 slots in total, orGǪ GÇó Having, say 1 tower that you can keep running constantly, where there is no maximum number of slots and where you can squeeze in all 90 jobs at once when you need to for a slight fee, but where your regular 30 jobs won't really cost anything?
The annoying part about posting with you is that in every other thread I read with you in I say "Tippia is so right."
I've literally been doing that for years.
Now I'm the one getting all butthurt I refuse to admit you're absolutely right and it conflicts with like three years of reading your posts and nodding and thinking "Damn right." TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 20:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Having just caught up I'd like to point out that the idea of congestion charges for my laboratories on my POS which I pay the fuel for is fuxking idiotic. Exactly to whom am I paying these fees - me? It's my POS. So you think you shouldn't have to pay someone for doing industry in orbit above someone else's planet... in someone else's space?
The same people you no longer need standings to? Are you kidding me?
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Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2014.04.15 21:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Having just caught up I'd like to point out that the idea of congestion charges for my laboratories on my POS which I pay the fuel for is fuxking idiotic. Exactly to whom am I paying these fees - me? It's my POS. So you think you shouldn't have to pay someone for doing industry in orbit above someone else's planet... in someone else's space? The same people you no longer need standings to? Are you kidding me? WeeellGǪ look at it this way: you no longer have to prove your loyalty to the empire GÇö cash will do just as fine.
I actually typed
"The same people you no longer need standings to? Are you kidding me? So they deregulate the space and then charge you instead?"
and realised how absolutely logical that is, so deleted the second sentence and hoped no-one would notice.
I should have realised. Tippia is always right.
That said there are people who are going to be so hurt by these changes. I just hope the later dev blogs do something to fix that. TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
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