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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:23:00 -
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Thibault Etienne wrote:OK heres perspective.
I'm scottish but ill use this exapmple. No offence meant to people in my examples. I know this eve crowd just love to jump on someone.
High sec USA
Low sec Middle East
Null Sec Somalia and the Africas
If I'm making stuff to sell in USA I'd make it in the USA where its meant to be safer for production.
You think I'll fly from the states make stuff in the Middle East where its far less civilised then fly back to the USA fighting off gate camps and pirates to sell it.
Come on CCP. I hope you really aint thinking of making hi sec manufacturing less efficient. It makes no sense.
Actually that exact scenario has been happening in the US for a decade or more. The cost of manufacturing got so high due to labor costs that the owners of many companies have either shipped their produ tion lines to Asia or have completely sold their company to a foriegn investor. |
Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:54:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Thibault Etienne wrote:OK heres perspective.
I'm scottish but ill use this exapmple. No offence meant to people in my examples. I know this eve crowd just love to jump on someone.
High sec USA
Low sec Middle East
Null Sec Somalia and the Africas
If I'm making stuff to sell in USA I'd make it in the USA where its meant to be safer for production.
You think I'll fly from the states make stuff in the Middle East where its far less civilised then fly back to the USA fighting off gate camps and pirates to sell it.
Come on CCP. I hope you really aint thinking of making hi sec manufacturing less efficient. It makes no sense. Actually that exact scenario has been happening in the US for a decade or more. The cost of manufacturing got so high due to labor costs that the owners of many companies have either shipped their produ tion lines to Asia or have completely sold their company to a foriegn investor. Bullshit. Labor costs are marginal here as evidenced by google producing phones here and even Apple moving some production back to the states. Apple's biggest reason for producing in China is that they have essentially slave labor that can be called up in large numbers on demand with little notice and then dismissed when not needed. Mushkin makes excellent SSD drives and memory here in the USA at very competitive prices. It's more like absolute greed and disregard for fellow humanity that has resulted in the offshoring of jobs. "Free trade" , tax havens/breaks, and the short sightedness of corporate management driven by stock pricing has created an incentive to send jobs overseas. Eve is a game where we pretend to be immortal beings floating around in space within a set of rules defined by CCP. An attempt at a serious comparison of Eve industry to real life production is a fool's errand.
I do not disagree with you. Just because I omitted the fact that company owners could have taken a hit to their profit margin to accept the natural rise in labor wages does not disprove the fact that what I said has been happening. Just because some companies are capable of turning a profit manufacturing in the States does not change the fact that much of the manufacturing has been shipped over seas. Where does all of the steel and iron work that used to happen in Pennsylvania occur currently? Please note that I said MANY companies and not ALL companies. |
Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2014.04.17 12:05:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Actually that exact scenario has been happening in the US for a decade or more. The cost of manufacturing got so high due to labor costs that the owners of many companies have either shipped their production lines to Asia or have completely sold their company to a foreign investor. A lot longer than a decade but off-shoring is more about tax and regulation avoidance for multi-national companies than labor savings. I have a US based textile company where I can subcontract cut and sew operations for less than 10% difference of what it would cost in SE Asia - while improving time to manufacture and quality control. The problem is sourcing fabrics in the US. China is full of brand new 9001 factories while US manufacturers haven't made capital improvements of US facilities in decades. Here are a couple of articles: Forbes: How does Apple avoid taxes , Huffington:18 large tax avoiders
True, but the cost of labor and supporting your employees is a large part of equation, hypothetically second only to tax evasion.
Forbes:
Imagine what kind of job opportunities would come to America if an iPhone factory were located here and hired 230,000 American assembly workers.
That is indeed a very appealing scenario, but unfortunately, a very bad one. The average manufacturing wage in 2010 is about $2.00 in China and $34.75 in America. By locating the same iPhone factory in America, Apple would add more than $25 billion in labor costs a year, which would completely wipe out AppleGÇÖs 2010 profit of $14 billion.
Bureau of Labor Statistics 2011
- US manufacturing labor cost/hr - $35.53
- China manufacturing labor cost/hr - not on the list...lowest listed is the Philippians at $2.01
Trading Economics lists the hourly manufacturing wage at $19.51/hr...these numbers are probably including all non-skilled manufacturing cost but still makes a workforce, that will work at under $2/hr, look like a gold mine.
Thank you for the links.
P.S. I hate that I continuously have to resew buttons on my cargo pants    |
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