Lol, do you hear yourself? Wardecs are only really used in highsec. Highsec corps, by their very nature, tend to not have assets worth fighting for. The summer changes are trying to change that, but the fact remains that the system is broken because it is too easily avoided.

I wonder, what on earth did you hope to gain with that asinine statement?

I snipped out the middle of your post because it was you attacking a strawman, of motivations you made up. At least please try to debate the point.



No, dumbass. How about you actually read what I've said on the matter?

I want them to have things to fight over, and to lose something when they don't. I want wardecs to have a purpose. But that can NEVER be achieved so long as it takes 5 minutes and a few million isk to dodge any wardec, ever.

Then what is it supposed to be used for, oh thrasher of straw?

Not my fault most of that is not really worth much in HS. .

Exactly, so let's add some carrots and some sticks. Same thing with Bounty Hunting.

If your target has nothing to lose, maybe you are selecting the wrong targets. Why are you declaring war to a corporation which has nothing to lose? The answer is easy, you want to buy your way to killrights. If CCP want to support such thing it will be their decision but as of right now, the wardec mechanic is purely made to fight over strategic objectives such as resources and structures.

Haven't read the whole thread, but agree with OP that there definitely needs to be something to promote actual conflict when wars are started, or if you're very set on not giving the enemy the fights they deserve there should be an actual trade off for achieving that, rather than the zero cost/effort there currently is in just staying docked or corp hopping

I am for getting more people to pvp, but there are a lot of people who simply have no interest in it. No matter what changes you make, you won't force people to do something they don't want to do. Do I think they are missing out on a fantastic part of Eve? Absolutely. Do they care? Absolutely not

The biggest downfall of wars in high sec is a lack of reason to fight.

You can only legally remote repair/boost members of your own corp/alliance, meaning: neutral logis will get CONCORD'ed.

how about - neutral chars cannot rep a char with a capsuleer combat timer (the one that prevents log-off-ski for 30 min, herein CCT) without going criminal? - depending on how their safety is set up - if they're already repping someone who then incurs a CCT, then they'll either stop repping at the end of cycle, or get themselves concordokken, character who have all the same active wars can rep each other, members of the same corp, war allies, etc.....

actually - this would also prevent neutral repping of awoxers - I LIKE this idea....

Again, under current mechanics and motivations I fully agree with you, and I actually lol'd at the chess club analogy.

What I'm trying to look at, is ways of encouraging a change in the way carebears see this game. I would like to provide them with incentive to come out of their PVE shells and experience the excitement of PVP. Eve allows you to be competitive at both Chess and football on the same character, you just have to make people want to do that.

So incursion fleets can't run logi? Neither can mission runners hanging out with friends?

The #1 reason carebears do not fight in wars is because the people wardeccing them treat them like they are sub-human. They look down on them, taunt them and put themselves on a pedestal above them.

Until the mercs/ganker community learns to show respect to all players irrespective of their career choice, carebears will continue to do everything in their power to avoid interaction with such players. They will group all merc and gank corps into this category. No amount of monetary incentive is going to change this. They just don't want to play video games with them.

My old industrial corp was wardecced by 6 seperate entities over time. 5 of them were mercs; we never undocked once to fight them. The 6th was an industrial corp that didn't like our presence in their area. We undocked and fought them several times with a smile on our faces.

Considering you're an enforcer for CODE., do you really question why carebears refuse to play video games with you?

Who's fault is it that you target corps which have no assets to defend? I heard some corps have POCO and they like the money it generat. How about you wardec those corps? Maybe they will find it worthwhile to defend them. Or one with many POS in high sec?

Maybe you aren't after corp assets?

I may have fallen behind 2 weeks on the subject, (college work can be a pain) but I have to agree with Frostys here. What is the benefit to the aggressors? Though there isn't any benefit to attacking such corps, but I can probably think of a few special situations, like being paid by another corp to war dec the corp. Sadly, that is rare.

Where is the competition between industry corporations? Now it will never happen, and you can thank the genius behind the 50+ million ISK war fee!