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Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
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Posted - 2014.04.18 05:03:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:The rookie systems are terrible for mining, because they are totally safe (CCP prohibit ganking there) which attracts multiboxers and botters who prevent actual rookies actually getting the ore.
As a consequence, you will usually need to go 2 jumps away to find a belt.
Your alternative is to purchase that ore from the market. It's your decision. The final reward for that tutorial is worth a lot more than the ore will cost you.
I think that rule only applies to newbies themselves. I think I'm actually going to partition that question to get clarification, because I find it quite untasteful that people bend this rule for their own benefit.
But as someone else mentioned in this thread war dec's work just as well
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
697
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:31:00 -
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Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7! Can't think of anything worse! There used to be a mining corp in Conoban doing this. They tried to recruit newbies while they mined out the rookie belts in barges and exhumers.
At least some of those rookies joining got scammed out of their ore if you believed local.
In my opinion CCP should lock gates and market in career agent sytems to barges and exhumers.
New players are trying go figure out basic game mechanics in these systems. They are fair game everywhere else. It's not breaking EVE if they have protection in a dozen scattered systems for a couple of weeks. Remove insurance. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
460
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:00:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.
Major Trant wrote:Please read the mission text carefully, the mission description adds flavor but when you drill down to it, the mission objective is often a lot simpler that you initially assume.
It has been a while since I did the rookie missions and things might have changed, but back then there was no mission that required you to go searching for asteroids and mining them in the public system belts.
If you were ever required to mine something you got a bookmark to a specific mission location where you would find the asteroids you needed. No other player could have got to that location before you and all you needed was 2 or 3 minutes to get the required ore.
Kitty Bear wrote:the mining mission spawns a dedicated pocket that you can warp to directly The OP specifically mentions Mission 2 in the Industry Tutorial, where the agent asks for the ore to be mined from a belt, so there is no mission location to warp to.
What is not made clear, though, is the point made by Major Trant: you can just buy the ore from the market and the agent will accept it. |
Lemon Nado
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:50:00 -
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Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7! Can't think of anything worse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCPnBJrxdAY |
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.18 18:23:00 -
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thanks again for the advice. I will be careful about taking any kind of aggresive action against greedy farmers.... and will just do my own thing. I may not stay in EVE if it is all about competition and PVP, i Hate those in real life and enjoy exploring and playing WITH other players but not against them. That is not my desire in either games or life. But I will do my best to learn the basics and enjoy it while i can. There Should be ways to play EVE without having to become an aggressive monster bent on beating every one else. I will see, but I do appreciate all the help. I will keep one finger on the warp button and have a safe haven selected in advance of any sortee for the meantime. I will also arm and armour my ship to the best of my ability. the best offense is a good defense. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.04.18 22:38:00 -
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you don't have to be careful you just have to be smart, and pick the right time/target
i'll give you an example
#1) your jet-can mining in a belt, I warp in and start shooting at you concord will appear after a small delay, and they will blow me up I am not going to escape, my ship WILL die
that's essentially all ganking is. you usually explode, concord get revenge for you
#2) your jet-can mining in a belt, I warp in and steal your can (I could also redrop your ore in my own can, so that you can 'steal' from me) you are now allowed to shoot me, if you do I can shoot back so, I shoot you, you explode, concord do NOT appear
that's essentially baiting, and switch baiting
the exhumer changes made jet-canning largely redundant I've just using those systems to give some context for flagging, concord and non-consensual pvp
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Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.18 23:09:00 -
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thanks
I have seen exhumers referred to..are those like mining droids? I hope to avoid jet canning as it seems a silly waste of time since ppl will grab them if they can.
thanks for the tips on what to watch out for. I plan to run if anyone shoots at me, and if they chase me i will run faster. or get faster drives. I have no intention of fighting with anyone. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.04.18 23:17:00 -
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Carn Astrael wrote:thanks
I have seen exhumers referred to..are those like mining droids? I hope to avoid jet canning as it seems a silly waste of time since ppl will grab them if they can.
thanks for the tips on what to watch out for. I plan to run if anyone shoots at me, and if they chase me i will run faster. or get faster drives. I have no intention of fighting with anyone.
Exhumers are a class of mining ship, the classes are listed below: Mining frigate - Venture Mining barge - Procurer, Covetor, Retriever (cheap and more efficient than the Venture) Exhumer - Skiff, Hulk, Mackinaw (not so cheap and more efficient than the barges) Industrial - Orca, (used for hauling and mining boosts) Rorqual (used for mining boosts, ore compression* and can be used as a clone facility, not usable in highsec)
*Ore compression is changing in the summer expansion AFAIK
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
351
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Posted - 2014.04.18 23:49:00 -
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Well, the game is really what you make of it You just need to keep in mind that other people have their own ideas of fun, but there is nothing keeping you from enjoying yourself even if you never pvp at all, but if you don't want to pvp, you will need to learn to understand how the pvp players think in order to make yourself a difficult target, and to easily recover from the rare times when normal avoidance measures fail. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:05:00 -
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Thank you. That made me laugh. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
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Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.19 01:41:00 -
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Thank you Iria..appreciate your posts a lot.
I found a great guide to setting up the overview with tabs for various needs and one is fast escape...saving your pod by warping to a planet and then to a station. I will create that asap. thanks for not dissing me for not wanting to fight. Mostly i know I am NOT a fast responder and that makes me a bad fighter in any realm..and thus a liablity to any friends who might think they should or could depend on me..
i hate letting pppl down. so i avoid fights....not out of cowardice but out of realistic self awareness.
thanks for all the great help here. really nice. I made it thru my third training mission and managed to mine some ore....tho when i went back there to that field, it was all gone, once again, the four ships that were there cleaned it out.
will have to remember to wake up early and farm astaroids just after the re set...at 7:00 AM my time. Does the re set happy fast or does it take time? |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
352
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Posted - 2014.04.19 02:27:00 -
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Your welcome.:)
CCP says to expect one hour of downtime, and it used to take that time routinely, but more recently it rarely takes the full hour, 15-20 minutes is more common for the daily downtime. Patches and major updates are a different matter.
But you shouldn't have to wait a full day between missions like that. You can leave the rookie systems and mine mostly safely. There are also other asteroid fields in the same system.
Add asteroid fields to your overview, right click in space, select asteroid fielld, select random asteroid belt, then select add to overview.
Save this and rename it to asteroid belts. This way you can go from field to field.
If other belts in the same system are mined out, you can go to other fields in nearby systems. There is a greater risk than in rookie system, but it is minimal. If you are very poor just use your rookie ship. You can park your ship in station and leave ship, go to another station in system and you'll be given another rookie ship. Get inside the ship, fly back to your other ship. Then strip the mining laser off the first one and stick on the second. Now you have a free ship with two mining lasers and it is totally free. If someone blows you up, it is no big deal whatsoever.
So really, don't be afraid to go out. You should be so low skill that you don't even have to update your medical clone. And if you decide to be brave and go into lowsec to find the asteroids you need, and if someone does blow you up. Laugh knowing that there is NO negative consequence for having your ship blown up, or even if they pod you. You are the one with the power. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:16:00 -
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wow Iria, thanks again ! nice tips! i will try that. much appreciated. I am kind of scared of being podded as they call it i think but i will keep going and see how it goes. I do have some skills now, as I have been working that heavily but i upgraded my clone already so i am ok i think. have to find out about insuring my ship tho. next step of many. |
Jethrow Toralen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:34:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote: If you are very poor just use your rookie ship. You can park your ship in station and leave ship, go to another station in system and you'll be given another rookie ship. Get inside the ship, fly back to your other ship. Then strip the mining laser off the first one and stick on the second. Now you have a free ship with two mining lasers and it is totally free. If someone blows you up, it is no big deal whatsoever.
There is a quicker way to get your 2 civ mining lasers (or 2 civ guns). Take them off your ship and put them in your item hangar, then repackage your rookie ship and reassemble it. It should re-appear with another civ miner and civ gun fitted. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
357
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:53:00 -
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Jethrow Toralen wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote: If you are very poor just use your rookie ship. You can park your ship in station and leave ship, go to another station in system and you'll be given another rookie ship. Get inside the ship, fly back to your other ship. Then strip the mining laser off the first one and stick on the second. Now you have a free ship with two mining lasers and it is totally free. If someone blows you up, it is no big deal whatsoever.
There is a quicker way to get your 2 civ mining lasers (or 2 civ guns). Take them off your ship and put them in your item hangar, then repackage your rookie ship and reassemble it. It should re-appear with another civ miner and civ gun fitted.
OOOooOO
And it doesn't require running to a different station. Nice. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
128
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:43:00 -
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Another thing you can do to avoid being ganked is to not have a bunch of expensive mods on your ship. I know this probably isn't an issue now, but once you've been playing for a bit and have a lot of ISK, just know that for the most part, T2 or even meta 4 (high quality T1 items) are usually sufficient for a task. Even mission running battleships can function just fine with that level of gear. Even Incursions (EVE equivalent of raids), you can probably get by without super expensive mods, although you'll probably need a navy or faction hull.
As a miner, a Procurer or Skiff rarely get ganked unless you are talking a lot of crap or have blingy mods because it's not cost effective to do that. |
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
261
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:00:00 -
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Last I head, people in barges and especially exhumers are fair game no matter where they are, youre just not allowed to harrass, grief or in any way mess with newbies in those starter systems.
You can gank orcas and exhumers as much as you want in those starter systems. I recall a post CCP Falcon made awhile back where he wrote something along the lines of "Do you consider people flying exhumers rookies? ;) " It was a thread about the question of ganking these people in thee systems. Cba finding it atm though. |
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.04.25 08:19:00 -
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thank you for the helpful tips. I will be careful about gearing up. I did equip my exploratoin forget the name starts with N ship i think, but with basic equppment, i do plan to get the Cybernetics inplant but hopefully i will be able to run or defend myself, that trick of setting a overview for fast get aways ..using moons is a good idea...
thanks again all. appreciate the help.
i am fighting with scanning now. oh joy. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
369
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Posted - 2014.04.27 03:06:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:You can park your ship in station and leave ship, go to another station in system and you'll be given another rookie ship. Get inside the ship, fly back to your other ship. Then strip the mining laser off the first one and stick on the second. Now you have a free ship with two mining lasers and it is totally free.
Even easier - just repackage your rookie ship, it will spit out the civvie gun and mining laser, then when you Assemble the ship again bam new ones nanitically appear in the fitting.
EDIT: doh someone beat me to it. |
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