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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:45:00 -
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With all the "fun" of the last few hours that I missed, I'll be damned if I'm not going to post in this stupidity.
The only part of the OP that I agree with is the title: nerf hisec. Absolutely.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 06:20:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's only your opinion that it would be disastrous. It might be disastrous "to you", but only because you choose to make it so. You would have the option to not care about the veldspar mined in the Ultra-Sec.
If 1% of all empire space was converted to "Ultra-sec", it's hard to imagine, at least for me, this being a "disaster".
Nope. It's not only his opinion. Its an opinion shared by many.
To extend that opinion, anyone calling for a non-pvp area should just dock up and never leave CQ. That or HTFU.
For all I care, create a non-pvp area, but accompany it with the level of reward commensurate with the risk. Remove all asteroid fields for example. No mission agents either and no moons or planets. Just empty space systems consisting of a sun and jump gates.
Then it would be balanced with other areas of space.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 06:37:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You are allowed to feel that way.
Meh. Whether I'm allowed to or not is immaterial. Thankfully CCP share the view that teddybear land is not needed in EvE.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 07:05:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Conflict wouldn't be removed from the entire game, only from a few selected systems.
And basically, **** that as an idea.
There is no need to limit people's playstyle in any system.
Leave it as is.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 07:14:00 -
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leavemymomalone idiot wrote:i never said ultra-sec was zero risk. there is no such thing as zero risk in eve. as soon as you undock you are at risk.
Except that pretty much you did, just in different words.
Zero risk (or almost) = zero reward (or almost).
Give an inch and people will take a mile.
Much better to take and inch and tell everyone to HTFU.
Nerf the existing safety of highsec would be a better way to go. Split the different empires by lowsec regions so you can't AFK your way from one empire to another. Introduce mission agents that create competition between players for scarce resources and generate conflict. Make ducking wardecs more difficult and make it legal to avoid Concord.
Luckily, CCP won't listen to any of those ideas either. Because just like creating fairyfloss land, swinging it to far the other way would also be detrimental.
Fortunately for us all, CCP care about all playstyles, while those people that come here and call for nerfs to other players choices act out of pure selfishness.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 07:22:00 -
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leavemymomalone idiot wrote:face it ganking in hisec is easier now than ever before( getting boring!), even sec status tags negate the adverse effects on you
How many ships have you ganked?
Are you talking from real experience here or just blowing air out your arse because you read it somewhere else from someone else that has never ganked anyone, who read it in a post some other person with no experience wrote, etc., etc.
EDIT. Cool, the net nanny doesn't censor arse.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 07:28:00 -
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leavemymomalone idiot wrote:you would have to ask the incursion community about that. i fly a blackbird and jam logis in sites so killmails never go to me. personally i think i indirectly killed several very angry marauders :)
TL;DR: none.
Much shorter and easier to read. How can you make a judgement about the skill/difficulty of doing anything you have no experience in it?
The value of those opinions are generally worth very little.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:40:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:So according to you, since everyone's specifically desired play style should be allowed to exist in any system, then you advocate having Mercoxit available in every system because a "Mercoxit Miner" who chooses his playstyle to be "only mine mercoxit" should be able to do his play style in any system.
No, that is not by any means what I meant.
However, if there is Mercoxit in a system, then he/she should absolutely have the choice to mine it.
Not limiting a persons choice is not the same as providing everything in every system.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:47:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:By your logic, no suggestions should be allowed, because if people ever suggest anything, they might continue to make suggestions. No suggestions to prevent future suggestions.
Rubbish, he didn't suggest that at all.
Suggestions however should be balanced and not just selfish whines by people who find the game too hard.
If it's too hard, *******. No one will miss someone too weak minded to cope with the mechanisms of the game.
EDIT: Awesome again. Arse and Fuckoff not censored. I've self censored the fuckoff in this post though. :)
EDIT 2: I seem to be in a bad mood today. Good thread to be in for that.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:59:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Which I have not done.
Also, by your own statement, "No one will miss someone too weak minded to cope with the mechanisms of the game", it could be applied that No one will miss someone too weak minded to cope with the mechanisms of the game having Ultra-Security systems.
Not you specifically. I think you just like to discuss things and that's all good, even when you are mostly on the opposite side to positions I commonly take.
On the rest, those who gank will adjust to whatever change CCP introduces. They always have.
That doesn't mean that everyone should sit by quietly and accept all suggestions without raising a protest to them.
It's quite fine to call out an idea for it's complete stupidity, while still accepting that others will continue to make suggestions designed only to suit their personal self interest.
Discussion has no downside, and it's absolutely necessary from all sides in an argument. CCP does seem to listen to the community on many issues, so staying quiet isn't the way to help them see where the balance should sit.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 09:17:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's only your opinion that the idea is "complete stupidity".
Of course it's only my opinion. Just the same as almost everything written in the forum is opinion.
Get over it. We all know that our opinions are our opinions and not necessarily the opinions of others.
As to the rest of your post. Practice what you preach before pointing the finger. You've been one of the most toxic additions to the forum in recent months, ready to bignote yourself while degrading others at the drop of a hat.
I'd be happy to put my history of sticking generally to the forum rules up against yours if you like. I already know how that comparison would go; and that's not opinion. It's a fact.
/now back to regular programming
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Posted - 2014.04.18 09:28:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Which is merely an opinion. Considering I've never received any warnings or infractions regarding the forum's rules, any classification you choose to label me with is merely your opinion, and it's a personal attack, and disrespectful.
Yep absolutely my opinion, shared by a number of people who have expressed similar views as well.
Warnings and infraction notices (or lack of) are not a sign that you stick to the forum rules. Your post history is very easy to go through. You should take a look back and reread some of the things you've written to and about other people. The ones not deleted should be an eye opener, even without thinking of some of your posts that have been deleted by the ISDs.
As for my post being a personal attack. Absolutely. Report it and have it deleted. Given the way you have treated people on this forum over the last 2-3 months, I'm more than happy to take responsibility for my post if a warning or ban were to result.
I'm also more than happy to express my opinion about you again, directly to you: Practice what you preach before pointing the finger because you are a toxic and disruptive element in the forum and while I value your involvement in discussions, I definitely don't value the way you have approached expressing your view since you first arrived here.
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Posted - 2014.04.18 10:13:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Relevant stuff
Yeah, you're probably right. I apologise.
I'll just offer up the opinion of the EvE Client instead:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3768/13898096921_3e09dd781f_o.jpg
Not my opinion mind you. I already apologised for that. Just EvE's view.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 01:29:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:
Eve is a game of prostitution, exotic dancing, and stripping. If it weren't, prostitutes, exotic dancers, and strippers wouldn't exist.
And that's just us capsuleers.
Imagine if WiS became a reality. Then we'd see the depravity of the NPCs in this game.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 01:37:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Except you can't disprove that EvE isn't a PvE game
No need to disprove it, the gameplay does that every single day.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 01:46:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:The game play of logging in and doing PvE proves that it is a PvE game, every single day.
It doesn't prove anything (which is different to disproving something).
It's just an environment. Everyone is free to make of it what they want. Trying to pigeon hole it as one or the other, or something else is a little on the silly side.
Everyone v Everyone will always be the meaning of it's name, no matter how people chose to go about that.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 01:56:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Then the argument of "no ultra-sec because it removes PvP"
No ultra-sec because it removes choice.
It's a self-centred, selfish suggestion where players want everything they feel is valuable in the game, while limiting the play choices of other players in those systems.
If someone wants the choice to shoot at a rock, someone else should also have the choice to shoot at a ship.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 02:04:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:He can, he can shoot at a ship in High, Low, and Null. No one is removing that choice, it's still there.
If he wants to remain in an environment where he can choose to shoot anyone anywhere, then he should stay out of Ultra Sec.
The same for all the other players.
If they want to shoot at rocks or npcs, or run missions etc., they can do that in highsec, lowsec or nullsec too.
No need for ultrasec at all.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 02:25:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:But considering that "everything is PvP", PvP still exists even in Ultra-Sec. If you're going to consider mining "pvp" because it has an influence, then the mining happening in ultra-sec is still "pvp" because it's influenceable by players activity.
Yep, so that would need to be nerfed too. No mining in ultra-sec.
Also, it makes no logical sense that the Empires would provide this super safe zone for capsuleers but still allow known pirate faction npcs to roam around unchecked. The Empires would hunt them down just as strongly as they would hunt down a player that tried to agress another player. Nerf npc rats too. No NPCs in ultra-sec.
About the only thing would be a station to play market games. Ultra-sec would be such a small part of the market, that all other systems could more greatly affect the prices in ultra-sec than the reverse. NO problem with that.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 03:31:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:For the purpose of this discussion, yea, remove bumping within ultra sec. Make it so ships pass through each other.
No undocking then.
Better nerf stations too. No stations so there can be no bumping on the undock.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 03:38:00 -
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Divine wrote:So then why does PvE exist in EvE if it's not intended for people to PvE?
no one is claiming people cant't PvE.
People can choose to do whatever they want, including both PvE and PvP.
What people cant do is choose how someone else should play. That doesnt need to change.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 03:44:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Which no one is. No one is requiring anyone to go into "ultra-sec". If someone doesn't want to go into a portion of space where they cannot attack other ships, they do not have to.
Just as a person doesn't "have" to go into Null sec, a person wouldn't "have" to go into "ultra-sec" if it were implemented.
The fact thst you dont see the limitations on choice that this stupid idea imposes is either a sign of a lack of ability to think logically, or deliberate ignorance.
I dont think you lack intelligrnce so in my opinion, its no more thsn deliberate ignorance designed just to continue a ridiculous thread going.
The rest of us thst keep responding to you are equally ignorant.
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