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Bayroo
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:25:00 -
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I would just like to make the following statement û
I was saddened to return from my 4 day vacation to find my pos that was used as an npc base for not only myself but my corp mates had been off lined and stolen along with 6 t2 battleships, a large number of barges and haulers some t2, skill books and t2 mods, whatever wasnÆt taken or scooped to haulers was blown up. Large ship arrays, Ammo arrays, you name it, it was destroyed.
Everything that I have worked for over the past 3 years has been taken in one vicious attack from someone that was given the trust and freedom of my pos.
Most people that know me hopefully will say that I always give freely to help others out, and do what I can to assist. I know maybe I should have known better, and trust few people, so maybe I should have listened to those who whispered in my ear!!
This isnÆt a feel sorry for Bayroo thread, but I just want people to be watchful of the following people û
RUTOO
SOCIETIES PUNISHMENT
RutooÆs statement to a fellow corp m8 was û I am leaving anyway, so I may as well take what I can.
EVE is a game, and I shall use the mechanics of the game to get even, because the saying goes û
What goes around comes around.
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Darvin Felth
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:33:00 -
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Some ppl have no morals m8,hope u can recover from this .... owt i can do 2 help just give me a shout fella.
Smoking Whippets since 1967 ....
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:34:00 -
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Sorry, but security is like secrets.
If only one person knows the secret, it's secret. If everybody knows, it's not a secret.
If only one person has acess to everything, it's secure. if everyone has access, it's not secure.
First rule of Eve I learned 3 months ago.
DON'T TRUST ANYONE!
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2-10Mill SP. Click for details.
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Espen
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:37:00 -
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lllaaammmmeeee
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SecretSeller
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:40:00 -
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It's a game. Maybe he's roleplaying somebody who steals stuff and backstabs people.
If you aren't ready for such losses, you shouldn't play.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:42:00 -
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Blacklisted.
~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |
Kornelia Shedim
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:44:00 -
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Dude that sucks. Hope you will be able to recover from this. Good luck.
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:45:00 -
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huh why you have all your stuff at a POS? wich is known to be not secure?
and all you got in 3years?
NERF RAVEN! |
Tobias Raddick
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:46:00 -
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Would that be the same Rutoo who ratted out the STC freighter convoy some months back?
Tough break Bayroo. I imagine that the 'Rutoo' character will end up being recycled, but if it isn't and I ever see it in low-sec space, I'll be sure to gun him down in the manner he so richly deserves.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:17:00 -
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Backstabbing corpmates 4TL!!! 
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:20:00 -
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Ouch, I HATE Backstabbing morons.
PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN
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Nartoth
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:25:00 -
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Damn.
Sorry to hear that Bayroo. Anything I can do to help, let me know. In the meantime, I'll have a talk with my locator agent.... 
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The Jackhammer
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Bayroo
What goes around comes around.
SO TRUE 
Sorry for the 'set back' ... PLEASE feel free to contact me in-game AND we'll try to help you get back on your feet & up and running again 
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
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Gitt
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:30:00 -
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That totaly sucks and is bang out of order.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Rad****
Would that be the same Rutoo who ratted out the STC freighter convoy some months back?
Tough break Bayroo. I imagine that the 'Rutoo' character will end up being recycled, but if it isn't and I ever see it in low-sec space, I'll be sure to gun him down in the manner he so richly deserves.
actually the freighter was blamed on him but he had nothing to do with it.......
and GJ rutoo  
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:31:00 -
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mailed his new corp with this info?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:34:00 -
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^^ looks like they know
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Godar Marak on 15/05/2006 18:54:50
When reading this thread I lmao until I rofl.
edit : You can blame yourself.
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mrbabooon
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:58:00 -
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They stole 6 T2 Battleships eh?
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:58:00 -
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Tools are given in game to prevent this, you can't blame anyone but yourselves for a lapse in security.
Don't put faith in people you don't trust fully.
Still, theft is a bad things, so thank you for the heads up, we'll be sure to give our best efforts to take him down if he comes our way.
VETO RECRUITMENT
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Yolan
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Yolan on 15/05/2006 19:16:57
Bayroo, ignore the idiots more interested in blaming you than the thief.
I already sent you some help but if I can help anymore then lemme know.
Rutoo just made my -10 list
Yolan
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yolan
Edited by: Yolan on 15/05/2006 19:16:57
Bayroo, ignore the idiots more interested in blaming you than the thief.
I already sent you some help but if I can help anymore then lemme know.
Rutoo just made my -10 list
Yolan
ROFLMAO X1000000000000
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:19:00 -
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Sweet a Thread About me.
For the record, Rutoo, did not have the starbase config role. Therefor disclaiming all blame agasint me would be wrong. But I will Admit to being involved, though my part was mininal.
And since i didn't have starbase config role, you have to wonder who 1) edjected all the ships 2) offlined the POS, 3) unachored the POS.
Sooo yea,
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:20:00 -
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WTS Large Gallante Control Tower
m0o? |
KnightCrawler
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:26:00 -
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I just cant stand people that like to Kick other people when they are down.
To you immature *****s that are making fun of other peoples misfortune (losing things they worked hard for), I cant wait to you grow up and are forced to deal with real problems that you will probably get yourselfs into. Wont be so jolly then trust me.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:34:00 -
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Yeah... always smacktards looking to steal your stuff. Personally, even if my corp does get bigger in the future I'm planning on not giving access to really valuable stuff to basically no one but 1) people I know in real life... which basically means my brothers  , 2) long-time members that have proven their trustworthiness, and even then probably not 100% access.
It's quite sad that anyone can steal and then vanish into thin air with no repercussions (especially if not using their main to do so).
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:43:00 -
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No Rutoo, you can't borrow the keys to the Ragnarok.
~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |
BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: KnightCrawler
I just cant stand people that like to Kick other people when they are down.
To you immature *****s that are making fun of other peoples misfortune (losing things they worked hard for), I cant wait to you grow up and are forced to deal with real problems that you will probably get yourselfs into. Wont be so jolly then trust me.
growing old is inevitable growing up is optional......and I'd really like to point out to some people..that it IS a game
m0o? |
Judas Jones
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bayroo
Moved from General Discussions - Uly
I would just like to make the following statement û
I was saddened to return from my 4 day vacation to find my pos that was used as an npc base for not only myself but my corp mates had been off lined and stolen along with 6 t2 battleships, a large number of barges and haulers some t2, skill books and t2 mods, whatever wasnÆt taken or scooped to haulers was blown up. Large ship arrays, Ammo arrays, you name it, it was destroyed.
Everything that I have worked for over the past 3 years has been taken in one vicious attack from someone that was given the trust and freedom of my pos.
Most people that know me hopefully will say that I always give freely to help others out, and do what I can to assist. I know maybe I should have known better, and trust few people, so maybe I should have listened to those who whispered in my ear!!
This isnÆt a feel sorry for Bayroo thread, but I just want people to be watchful of the following people û
RUTOO
SOCIETIES PUNISHMENT
RutooÆs statement to a fellow corp m8 was û I am leaving anyway, so I may as well take what I can.
EVE is a game, and I shall use the mechanics of the game to get even, because the saying goes û
What goes around comes around.
WTB Tech 2 Battleships, will sell you a Dev's soul for them,  assumiung they have one's
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Eskalin
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:03:00 -
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first off rutoo glad to have you back in corp you and bloodspoon too
second it's a game get over it start again, we have all had things go wrong. next time password your pos, this game is not frendly in 0.0 if you live out here you know that. as i'm not a complete ******** i will sell you most of what you lost mail me ingame and we will work out a price below market value but if you want a vendeta then that is an option. to the others who have posted how many of you are mission running empire mining industry players who know noting of the 0.0 aspect of this game so your talking out your arse
mOo
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: HippoKing
i just wonder why his new corp recruited him on the basis that he was a thief. sure they have their reasons 
Naiveity.
WTS clue?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
i just wonder why his new corp recruited him on the basis that he was a thief. sure they have their reasons
Naiveity.
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Corporate Consultation Services
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Tuang Pao
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:22:00 -
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Some mistakes in Eve are bigger than others.
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Bunny Rivetts
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:29:00 -
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Anyone have a good recipe for chocolate cake?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: HippoKing
i just wonder why his new corp recruited him on the basis that he was a thief. sure they have their reasons
Naiveity.
WTS clue?
100 please.
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RecruitMe@NOINT!
Corporate Consultation Services
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Emperor
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Posted - 2006.05.15 20:53:00 -
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Perhaps its not you personaly that was the intended target of this theft but instead the group of people you choose to be around. Your alliance has enemies. Live with it or get out. |
The Cursed
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Posted - 2006.05.15 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: The Cursed on 15/05/2006 21:05:06
Originally by: Eskalin
first off rutoo glad to have you back in corp you and bloodspoon too
second it's a game get over it start again, we have all had things go wrong. next time password your pos, this game is not frendly in 0.0 if you live out here you know that. as i'm not a complete ******** i will sell you most of what you lost mail me ingame and we will work out a price below market value but if you want a vendeta then that is an option. to the others who have posted how many of you are mission running empire mining industry players who know noting of the 0.0 aspect of this game so your talking out your arse
mOo
0.0 is a harsh place to live but to backstabb someone steal couple bil in stuff and then say its just a game is a understatement. Your a sad example of a eve player and a perosn in general. If you are a figure head in your allaince you put everyone in it to shame. Enjoy being a loser b/c what happens in this game usually shows how a person really is in life. Im guessing you flip burgers at Mcdyy'ss and steal hamburger buns while no one is looking.
GODS Is Dead!! Beer em Good!!!!!!!
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Emperor
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Posted - 2006.05.15 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor on 15/05/2006 21:07:46
Originally by: The Cursed
Edited by: The Cursed on 15/05/2006 21:05:06
Originally by: Eskalin
first off rutoo glad to have you back in corp you and bloodspoon too
second it's a game get over it start again, we have all had things go wrong. next time password your pos, this game is not frendly in 0.0 if you live out here you know that. as i'm not a complete ******** i will sell you most of what you lost mail me ingame and we will work out a price below market value but if you want a vendeta then that is an option. to the others who have posted how many of you are mission running empire mining industry players who know noting of the 0.0 aspect of this game so your talking out your arse
mOo
0.0 is a harsh place to live but to backstabb someone steal couple bil in stuff and then say its just a game is a understatement. Your a sad example of a eve player and a perosn in general. If you are a figure head in your allaince you put everyone in it to shame. Enjoy being a loser b/c what happens in this game usually shows how a person really is in life. Im guessing you flip burgers at Mcdyy'ss and steal hamburger buns while no one is looking.
wow you have some crazy skills that you can tell how people work and act in real life by how they play a game. Also, please call him "sir" because now he is far richer than you and it took him all of 2 hrs to get his ISK. |
Bunny Rivetts
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Posted - 2006.05.15 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Cursed
Edited by: The Cursed on 15/05/2006 21:05:06
Originally by: Eskalin
first off rutoo glad to have you back in corp you and bloodspoon too
second it's a game get over it start again, we have all had things go wrong. next time password your pos, this game is not frendly in 0.0 if you live out here you know that. as i'm not a complete ******** i will sell you most of what you lost mail me ingame and we will work out a price below market value but if you want a vendeta then that is an option. to the others who have posted how many of you are mission running empire mining industry players who know noting of the 0.0 aspect of this game so your talking out your arse
mOo
0.0 is a harsh place to live but to backstabb someone steal couple bil in stuff and then say its just a game is a understatement. Your a sad example of a eve player and a perosn in general. If you are a figure head in your allaince you put everyone in it to shame. Enjoy being a loser b/c what happens in this game usually shows how a person really is in life. Im guessing you flip burgers at Mcdyy'ss and steal hamburger buns while no one is looking.
I think your corp is going to pod you lol
Buns x
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SecretSeller
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Posted - 2006.05.15 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: SecretSeller on 15/05/2006 21:42:56
It's all of you people that take this game so seriously that are so much fun to upset.
EDIT: I think I'm going to start another alt, work up some trust in a corp and steal everything. What a good idea.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.15 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: SecretSeller
Edited by: SecretSeller on 15/05/2006 21:42:56
It's all of you people that take this game so seriously that are so much fun to upset.
EDIT: I think I'm going to start another alt, work up some trust in a corp and steal everything. What a good idea.
now you're talkin'!
m0o? |
Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.15 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: SecretSeller
It's all of you people that take this game so seriously that are so much fun to upset.
I take my time seriously, not the game. But I also know the risks, and I really doubt corp theft won't happen somewhere down the line to me. It's just not balanced risk vs reward wise really.
~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |
SecretSeller
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Posted - 2006.05.15 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: SecretSeller
It's all of you people that take this game so seriously that are so much fun to upset.
I take my time seriously, not the game. But I also know the risks, and I really doubt corp theft won't happen somewhere down the line to me. It's just not balanced risk vs reward wise really.
Since you take your time seriously, and the game consumes your time, you take the game seriously.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.15 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: SecretSeller
Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: SecretSeller
It's all of you people that take this game so seriously that are so much fun to upset.
I take my time seriously, not the game. But I also know the risks, and I really doubt corp theft won't happen somewhere down the line to me. It's just not balanced risk vs reward wise really.
Since you take your time seriously, and the game consumes your time, you take the game seriously.
Nice spin, but I think you are getting dizzy.
I take the time it requires for Eve to bear fruit with my plans seriously, I could be getting overtime at my job rather than playing Eve. So the opportunity cost is much more than a mere subscription.
I love Eve, I know the risks of dealing with people who want lots for very little effort. I accept them and do what I do anyway, while minizing the damage someone can do from within. There will be lazy alts who join up, I know this. And some of them may try to steal from us, I know this also. But none of them will be able to steal anything significant without monthes of effort and time invested...and even then they couldn't steal much.
So my solution is to make it not worth it for a corp thief to bother, rather than root them out or try to catch them after the fact.
~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |
OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.05.15 23:27:00 -
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This is part of the reason I love being a pirate, every time I pop someone there's a chance that they are someone who is similar to rutoo or bloodspoon (wtf)
Gronsak is Tux's angry alt. |
Uggster
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:28:00 -
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Do GODS ask if they can gank someones ship before they do so ?
No I did not think so.
Dont you think that a corp like GODS would not have made some enermies over the years ?
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Scout Black
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:31:00 -
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Well sorry to hear the misfortune. Some folks are very funny! What comes around goes around. I agree with the Cursed statement and in fact would like to let you know that as we are old friends bayroo, this individual and what ever corp he is allowed to be in will be blacklisted for us.
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xPreatorianx
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:41:00 -
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Quote:
WTB Tech 2 Battleships, will sell you a Dev's soul for them, Embarassed assumiung they have one's Twisted Evil
He meant tier 2 DOH!!
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Eskalin
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Posted - 2006.05.16 01:40:00 -
[49]
Originally by: The Cursed
Edited by: The Cursed on 15/05/2006 21:05:06
Originally by: Eskalin
first off rutoo glad to have you back in corp you and bloodspoon too
second it's a game get over it start again, we have all had things go wrong. next time password your pos, this game is not frendly in 0.0 if you live out here you know that. as i'm not a complete ******** i will sell you most of what you lost mail me ingame and we will work out a price below market value but if you want a vendeta then that is an option. to the others who have posted how many of you are mission running empire mining industry players who know noting of the 0.0 aspect of this game so your talking out your arse
mOo
0.0 is a harsh place to live but to backstabb someone steal couple bil in stuff and then say its just a game is a understatement. Your a sad example of a eve player and a perosn in general. If you are a figure head in your allaince you put everyone in it to shame. Enjoy being a loser b/c what happens in this game usually shows how a person really is in life. Im guessing you flip burgers at Mcdyy'ss and steal hamburger buns while no one is looking.
hahahahahahahahahaha you are obviouly a tool
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Profhet
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Posted - 2006.05.16 02:50:00 -
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I dont know many thieves that can or would reprocess themselves after they steal 2 billion of stuff.
Thats my sticking point with corp theft. A noobish person works hard for a couple months, gets permissions, and boom buh bye everything my corp and I have worked for, and our only recourse,,,none.
In real life, the repercussions for this kind of theft stays with you for life, or if your stupid enough and steal from the wrong kind of people, it gets you in concrete boots at the bottom of a muddy river.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.16 04:17:00 -
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Question, but why the hell did you keep stuff at a POS?
Hell I keep anything of value locked up tightly in an NIC station, where nobody other than myself can touch it, ever, short of breaking into my account.
Also.. tell me about these 't2 battleships'. I'm assuming you mean normal T1s with T2 mods, or were they faction too?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.16 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: The Cursed
0.0 is a harsh place to live but to backstabb someone steal couple bil in stuff and then say its just a game is a understatement. Your a sad example of a eve player and a perosn in general. If you are a figure head in your allaince you put everyone in it to shame. Enjoy being a loser b/c what happens in this game usually shows how a person really is in life. Im guessing you flip burgers at Mcdyy'ss and steal hamburger buns while no one is looking.
Or for all you know he's ayour boss at work.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.05.16 07:24:00 -
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As various people have said, There are tools to stop this. Rutoo has already said that he didn't take down the POS because he didn't have the Roles to do so.
How about taking a look at people with the role before blaming the nearest guy?
Also:
At some of the people who have said that how you behave in EvE is how you behave in real life.
Thats simply not true, MMORPG Chars function as alter egos.
Idiots.
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Dak
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:17:00 -
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I agree there are things in place to stop this happening but to say this is just a game shows how little you know, yes: virtual ships, modules and money, but eve is all about player interaction so its real friendships and real trust that is broken when something like this happens if you can't see that you are an idiot, or maybe you dont care. Either way to kick someone when they are down is despicable, that is real and you are a bad/stupid person in rl for it.
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Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dak
Either way to kick someone when they are down is despicable, that is real and you are a bad/stupid person in rl for it.
Hmm... wouldn't that also count for when you pod someone?
Sure it's not nice, but in the end EVE is nothing more than a game. It mustn't be more. I'd never do something like that and I sure as hell would be annoyed if it happens to me, but in the end you have to look at it and say "Okay, what's done is done. I've to play on with knowing that or I have to quit if that killed all the fun the game could give me."
He sure as hell wouldn't get a party invitation any more but well in the end he did nothing you shouldn't be able to live with. It's simply not worth to let your life get ruined by things someone else did to you.
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gunaakt
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:29:00 -
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Quote:
This isnÆt a feel sorry for Bayroo thread, but I just want people to be watchful of the following people û
I have no sympathy what so ever. especialy if you are the same bayroo that betrayed lyndbourne corp in the FE war a year ago.
yes i am a returning noob member of that corporation
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Dak
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dak on 16/05/2006 08:38:31
I know its just a game but i think its worse to have a cruiser stolen off you by someone you thought was a friend, and told to **** off than to have all your stuff colleted over the course of playing eve blown up in a hauler by a random pirate. Maybe thats just me tho.
edit: ^^ not a comparrison to the op's story just a personal example.
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Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:45:00 -
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Don't get me wrong. It surely is very mean of that person to clean someone out, but you can't just stop and lament about it. As I surely sad it is bad and I guess they won't be friends IRL yet it happens and you have to live with it. Just be happy that only virtual damage was done. There are a lot of people out there in the real world acting as cowardly but doing real damage to other people.
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WhiteSnake
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:12:00 -
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As I told you in corp ch
nice one rutoo
you couldnt steal your corp alone, you needed help, so you are not good thief either
nuff said
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zyphentits
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Posted - 2006.05.16 12:21:00 -
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Trusting someone with 6 t2 battleships is almost asking for it isn't it? Not to be rude I wouldn't never do this to someone but seems almost like it's your own fault.
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Sicus
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Posted - 2006.05.16 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSnake
As I told you in corp ch
nice one rutoo
you couldnt steal your corp alone, you needed help, so you are not good thief either
nuff said
How do you steal a corp?
Seriously though, a theft shouldn't always be completed solo, and therefore it's not valid to suggest the perpetrator is bad at his job for doing so. A group POS theft is quite a lot of fun...
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riffin
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Posted - 2006.05.16 13:29:00 -
[62]
Originally by: BloodSpoon
WTS Large Gallante Control Tower
If it makes you feel better I have OMGWTFBBQSAUCED PAWNED Bloodspoon countless times in Amamake.
***I can't find my keys!??***
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.05.16 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bayroo
RutooÆs statement to a fellow corp m8 was û I am leaving anyway, so I may as well take what I can.
Care to clarify the situation a bit, if you've found out more? Especially considering Rutoo's claim of not having enough roles (==trust) for this.
That is, did he seriously betray the trust he had accepted?
Hopefully there are many who detest such behaviour, and will take it up to the pilot and the corp/alliance (SMASH) condoning such behaviour, should the chance come.
-Lasse
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Lumel
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Posted - 2006.05.16 15:30:00 -
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Without making any further commentary on the specifics of this incident, I think it's interesting that the guilty parties have both rolled out the "it's only a game, don't take it so seriously" line.
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Profhet
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lumel
Without making any further commentary on the specifics of this incident, I think it's interesting that the guilty parties have both rolled out the "it's only a game, don't take it so seriously" line.
yeah its funny how the guilty parties dont think its a big deal, let them lose a few months of work, and have no recourse to punish the offender.
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Sicus
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Posted - 2006.05.16 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Profhet
Originally by: Lumel
Without making any further commentary on the specifics of this incident, I think it's interesting that the guilty parties have both rolled out the "it's only a game, don't take it so seriously" line.
yeah its funny how the guilty parties dont think its a big deal, let them lose a few months of work, and have no recourse to punish the offender.
When you say no recourse, you mean that they won't be smitten down by a bolt of CCP lightning, or you can't think up one of at least 4 ways to do it yourself? 
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TheMoog
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:16:00 -
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Reading the forums, I think it was predictable:
Look at the OP ...
Linkage
Then look who's alt it is ...
Linkage
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:15:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Bayroo
Moved from General Discussions - Uly
I would just like to make the following statement û
I was saddened to return from my 4 day vacation to find my pos that was used as an npc base for not only myself but my corp mates had been off lined and stolen along with 6 t2 battleships, a large number of barges and haulers some t2, skill books and t2 mods, whatever wasnÆt taken or scooped to haulers was blown up. Large ship arrays, Ammo arrays, you name it, it was destroyed.
Everything that I have worked for over the past 3 years has been taken in one vicious attack from someone that was given the trust and freedom of my pos.
Most people that know me hopefully will say that I always give freely to help others out, and do what I can to assist. I know maybe I should have known better, and trust few people, so maybe I should have listened to those who whispered in my ear!!
This isnÆt a feel sorry for Bayroo thread, but I just want people to be watchful of the following people û
RUTOO
SOCIETIES PUNISHMENT
RutooÆs statement to a fellow corp m8 was û I am leaving anyway, so I may as well take what I can.
EVE is a game, and I shall use the mechanics of the game to get even, because the saying goes û
What goes around comes around.
LOL
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George X
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:56:00 -
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Well, for those not already keen with the "criminal mastermind":
Rutoo, Societies Punishment and KnightCrawler are pretty much the same person working together with Bloodspoon.
GL to your next corpmates I guess.
Trick is simple, nice guy, wants to pvp, has no isk etc.
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:06:00 -
[70]
Originally by: George X
Well, for those not already keen with the "criminal mastermind":
Rutoo, Societies Punishment and KnightCrawler are pretty much the same person working together with Bloodspoon.
GL to your next corpmates I guess.
Trick is simple, nice guy, wants to pvp, has no isk etc.
Don't forget Cigs McDuff..I beleive he's supposedly the person who has Knightcrawler and possibly Rutoo although the latter is not confirmed.Could explain how Cigs keeps getting all these cheap hangar sales on escrow...in reality it's laundering stolen goods...
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:21:00 -
[71]
Originally by: George X
Well, for those not already keen with the "criminal mastermind":
Rutoo, Societies Punishment and KnightCrawler are pretty much the same person working together with Bloodspoon.
GL to your next corpmates I guess.
Trick is simple, nice guy, wants to pvp, has no isk etc.
LOL dind't anyone catch onto that one thread? knightcrawler is not rutoo's alt...it was a joke...and that was explained in that thread
and yes everyone works for me
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:42:00 -
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Let me Confirm,
I am no way aflilated with Knightcralwer, nore any of his alts
SocPun is also a different person,
I did not have starbase config role to do anything with the POS,
It was a joint effort
Thanks to everyone who came out,
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:51:00 -
[73]
Originally by: riffin
Originally by: BloodSpoon
WTS Large Gallante Control Tower
If it makes you feel better I have OMGWTFBBQSAUCED PAWNED Bloodspoon countless times in Amamake.
I also watched him get minced by a few shots from Ram in Sibot. Wish I'd frapsed it now
Whats more funny than some one stealing is POS is hearing the bloated remarks made by the theives who think their "criminal masta minds!". So you stole a POS, welcome to the club.
Originally by: FooB2
LOL
LMAO that is funny but only cos its tecno.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:01:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Troye
Originally by: riffin
Originally by: BloodSpoon
WTS Large Gallante Control Tower
If it makes you feel better I have OMGWTFBBQSAUCED PAWNED Bloodspoon countless times in Amamake.
I also watched him get minced by a few shots from Ram in Sibot. Wish I'd frapsed it now
Whats more funny than some one stealing is POS is hearing the bloated remarks made by the theives who think their "criminal masta minds!". So you stole a POS, welcome to the club.
Originally by: FooB2
LOL
LMAO that is funny but only cos its tecno.
you can turn it into a flamebait all you want...but I pirate...dying happens....welcome to the game....
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:10:00 -
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this is to Troye
I we never said we where criminal masterminds nor did we gloat about it,
Please Check again
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Automag
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:30:00 -
[76]
lol bayroo you finaly got wot was owed to you were a member of lynbourne once and you stabbed them in the back hope you like the feeling
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George X
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:06:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Rutoo
Let me Confirm,
I did not have starbase config role to do anything with the POS,
It was a joint effort
Thanks to everyone who came out,
Let me confirm
You are once again a liar
Your alt, other main, 2nd acc whatever Societies Punishment had the role.
Now enjoy your future in Eve and your 2 days of fame.
...the ancients are coming back... to GODS! |
BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:15:00 -
[78]
Originally by: George X
Originally by: Rutoo
Let me Confirm,
I did not have starbase config role to do anything with the POS,
It was a joint effort
Thanks to everyone who came out,
Let me confirm
You are once again a liar
Your alt, other main, 2nd acc whatever Societies Punishment had the role.
Now enjoy your future in Eve and your 2 days of fame.
Let ME confirm
soc pun is a seperate account not owned by rutoo nor I and yes he did have the role
and rutoo was NOT on that account during the whole thing...I was...so know facts before jumping to conclusions
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:31:00 -
[79]
Originally by: George X
Originally by: Rutoo
Let me Confirm,
I did not have starbase config role to do anything with the POS,
It was a joint effort
Thanks to everyone who came out,
Let me confirm
You are once again a liar
Your alt, other main, 2nd acc whatever Societies Punishment had the role.
Now enjoy your future in Eve and your 2 days of fame.
Funny how i wanted to keep it quiet and then Bayroo goes and posts, it's unwanted fame, but fame is fame i suppose :)
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:42:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Rutoo
Edited by: Rutoo on 16/05/2006 21:38:28
Originally by: George X
Originally by: Rutoo
Let me Confirm,
I did not have starbase config role to do anything with the POS,
It was a joint effort
Thanks to everyone who came out,
Let me confirm
You are once again a liar
Your alt, other main, 2nd acc whatever Societies Punishment had the role.
Now enjoy your future in Eve and your 2 days of fame.
Funny how i wanted to keep it quiet and then Bayroo goes and posts, it's unwanted fame, but fame is fame i suppose :)
Edit:
And truthfully if you think you can ruin my life in eve go ahead, your not the first to try,
Does Anyone remember the incedent where DJSt0ra cried on air of eve-radio, becuase we killed her, Well Bloodspoon and i are still around, i give it 3 weeks before people stop caring and another 4-5 months before everyone forgets, maybe 6 months before you finally realize that revenege is not your thing and get over it
but you would be wise to get over it sooner, cause your wasting your time, not mine :)
I will enjoy the game from now on, because you have made a boring game a little more interesting.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:44:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Automag
lol bayroo you finaly got wot was owed to you were a member of lynbourne once and you stabbed them in the back hope you like the feeling
I left a corp, that was my choice, I did not take anything from them. So maybe you wanna post something a little better than that!!!!
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:46:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Bayroo
I will enjoy the game from now on, because you have made a boring game a little more interesting.
Good I am glad for that
As i told FlashMurder
you and your corpies now have something to work for, instead of doing nothing alot of nothing
I really hope you have fun :)
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:51:00 -
[83]
If the corp wanna do nothing, its up to them, they pay they play it there own way.
So because we did nothing as a corp, you decide to rob me of the pos and items within it, well good job.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:55:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Bayroo
If the corp wanna do nothing, its up to them, they pay they play it there own way.
So because we did nothing as a corp, you decide to rob me of the pos and items within it, well good job.
no no .....just an ancilary benifet
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pandore
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:38:00 -
[85]
Im so disapointed in you, rutoo... I cant believe it. Bay was running this pos for all members without asking anything in return. You used it as a home, to npc to have a better sec status. When time has come to leave, you asked other persons to help you even if bayroo let you all used it. Even if its a game, all what i can say you got low values to exploit someone like bayroo. After all, you werent a hired thief. You did it just because you felt like it. oh well.... sorry bay
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:46:00 -
[86]
Sorry Pandore,
But
Bayroo wanted to charge me SocPun and Bloodspoon 9 Million isk per week to use is as a safespot 9*3 = 27 million Considering i don't play that much and barly make that much in a week also.
2) at least 30 of my tech II drones went missing alot with a couple of tech II ships in that pos
So don't go claiming it was for nothing,
Bayroo is a nice guy and again it wasn't a personal attack on him,
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2006.05.16 23:44:00 -
[87]
LOL, have some of that.
"Men are going to die..
and im going to kill them". |
FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.17 11:09:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Miz Cenuij
LOL, have some of that.
i think its more accuratley desribed as... BOOYAH!
handbags at 30 paces etc....
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WhiteSnake
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Posted - 2006.05.17 11:42:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Rutoo
Sorry Pandore,
But
Bayroo wanted to charge me SocPun and Bloodspoon 9 Million isk per week to use is as a safespot 9*3 = 27 million Considering i don't play that much and barly make that much in a week also.
2) at least 30 of my tech II drones went missing alot with a couple of tech II ships in that pos
So don't go claiming it was for nothing,
Bayroo is a nice guy and again it wasn't a personal attack on him,
well if you couldn't afford it, then all you had to do is to make a nice safespot and use that instead of POS.
Did ever crossed your mind that someone else (POS owner) is paying a lot more isk for fueling?
Do not try to justify your lazyness, or your low skills, about how to earn money in 0.0
Being a beggar (asking not to pay 9 mils), or thief, is a way of life (in eve), I dont have a problem with that, after all it is your choice-enjoy.
About smash alliance who helped you, I got nothing against them, they did their job real fast real good, grats to them.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.17 12:54:00 -
[90]
Edited by: BloodSpoon on 17/05/2006 12:54:31
Originally by: WhiteSnake
Originally by: Rutoo
Sorry Pandore,
But
Bayroo wanted to charge me SocPun and Bloodspoon 9 Million isk per week to use is as a safespot 9*3 = 27 million Considering i don't play that much and barly make that much in a week also.
2) at least 30 of my tech II drones went missing alot with a couple of tech II ships in that pos
So don't go claiming it was for nothing,
Bayroo is a nice guy and again it wasn't a personal attack on him,
well if you couldn't afford it, then all you had to do is to make a nice safespot and use that instead of POS.
Did ever crossed your mind that someone else (POS owner) is paying a lot more isk for fueling?
Do not try to justify your lazyness, or your low skills, about how to earn money in 0.0
Being a beggar (asking not to pay 9 mils), or thief, is a way of life (in eve), I dont have a problem with that, after all it is your choice-enjoy.
About smash alliance who helped you, I got nothing against them, they did their job real fast real good, grats to them.
how ******* dumb can you be? rutoo was responding to per who had said bay was asking for nothing...its a response not an excuse...and to thank smash is to congratulate rutoo and I as well.....so thank you
EDIT: And you wonder why we did it
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Mathra
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Posted - 2006.05.17 13:46:00 -
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I wonder why this doesn't happen more often...
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Jubei Zon
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Posted - 2006.05.17 14:15:00 -
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I find it comical that people use "it's just a game" as an excuse to lose all morality. As if they are diferent people in RL than they are in game. when in reality, people act out in game what they wish they could in RL, it's basic psychology, and anyone who would try to disagree with me on that... study basic psychology and then get back to me.
What was done is a good tactic sure, but don't try to fool others by saying it's just a game and does not reflect your personal character. You don't use two diferent brains to make diferent decisions in game and in RL. Consequences and Rewards is what drives people's decision.
To Bayroo, I hope you can get your self back up and running and this time better than the last... just do your self a favor and don't trust anyone with expensive corp property.
good luck Bayroo
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Rotating Sig ftw! (refresh it)
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.17 14:18:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Jubei Zon
I find it comical that people use "it's just a game" as an excuse to lose all morality. As if they are diferent people in RL than they are in game. when in reality, people act out in game what they wish they could in RL, it's basic psychology, and anyone who would try to disagree with me on that... study basic psychology and then get back to me.
What was done is a good tactic sure, but don't try to fool others by saying it's just a game and does not reflect your personal character. You don't use two diferent brains to make diferent decisions in game and in RL. Consequences and Rewards is what drives people's decision.
To Bayroo, I hope you can get your self back up and running and this time better than the last... just do your self a favor and don't trust anyone with expensive corp property.
good luck Bayroo
what he said
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"What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!"
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 14:47:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Bacchuss
Originally by: Jubei Zon
I find it comical that people use "it's just a game" as an excuse to lose all morality. As if they are diferent people in RL than they are in game. when in reality, people act out in game what they wish they could in RL, it's basic psychology, and anyone who would try to disagree with me on that... study basic psychology and then get back to me.
What was done is a good tactic sure, but don't try to fool others by saying it's just a game and does not reflect your personal character. You don't use two diferent brains to make diferent decisions in game and in RL. Consequences and Rewards is what drives people's decision.
To Bayroo, I hope you can get your self back up and running and this time better than the last... just do your self a favor and don't trust anyone with expensive corp property.
good luck Bayroo
what he said
Signed - Very well put
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:10:00 -
[95]
And those that actually think the above, it true, take the game to seriously.
I for one, Know for a fact, whatever happens in the game, Stays in the game. No one will ever come to my door and be like, "you messed with me ingame i am gonna kill you" Why? because it's a game. I am have never even thought of stealing from my workplace. Why? because it's wrong, and IBM Would Blacklist me hardcore :P.
Bayroo threatened to Kill me so i've heard, Does that relect on him in reallife? According to what you say, yes. According to what i know, the answer is no.
Bayroo Truthfully is a nice guy, and i did enjoy camping gates with teh figther drones and i'm sorry it happened to him. But **** Happens.
And it really shows how naive people are in believing such crap.
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Berant
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:21:00 -
[96]
To suggest that morality is the only thing stopping the majority of people in this game from being killers in real life seems flawed as an arguement. I'd have thought 'basic psychology' would also back up that a civilised society can identify the difference between a game and RL. Do none of the people here toeing the line similar to Jubei Zon play games like counterstrike? Does the morality you speak of not apply to that game?
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:27:00 -
[97]
I can't believe that Ruttoo can't make 27mil in a week. Most people in 0.0 can make it in an hour. So teh nub steals the POS and stuff and now thinks he's super rich. Lol what can I say, once a noob always a noob I suppose.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:34:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Rutoo
And those that actually think the above, it true, take the game to seriously.
I for one, Know for a fact, whatever happens in the game, Stays in the game. No one will ever come to my door and be like, "you messed with me ingame i am gonna kill you" Why? because it's a game.
Im guessing a POS with x6 tec2 BSs comes to over 1 billion, that equates to ú100 in RL currency (about $150). Even in a vertual world everything has its value. I buy time cards and Bayroo could probably have paid for a years worth a subcription with what you stole off him.
At least your trying to justify your actions on moral terms, most corp theives just run and hide.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:37:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Rutoo on 17/05/2006 15:38:52
Originally by: Darken Two
I can't believe that Ruttoo can't make 27mil in a week. Most people in 0.0 can make it in an hour. So teh nub steals the POS and stuff and now thinks he's super rich. Lol what can I say, once a noob always a noob I suppose.
First of all,
1) I wasn't gonna pay that much to use it as a SS,
2) i was ratting for the sec status not for the isk
3) where did i even think i was super rich because of this? you keep saying that yourselfs that i am thinking that which is not true
4) At the time this was pulled off i was sitting at a personal wallet for 1 billion, Right now my wallet still sits at 1 Billion, I didn't do it for the isk i did it becuase it was fun.
edit: typo
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:13:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Tristan Acoma on 17/05/2006 16:13:52
Originally by: Bayroo
Originally by: Bacchuss
Originally by: Jubei Zon
I find it comical that people use "it's just a game" as an excuse to lose all morality. As if they are diferent people in RL than they are in game. when in reality, people act out in game what they wish they could in RL, it's basic psychology, and anyone who would try to disagree with me on that... study basic psychology and then get back to me.
What was done is a good tactic sure, but don't try to fool others by saying it's just a game and does not reflect your personal character. You don't use two diferent brains to make diferent decisions in game and in RL. Consequences and Rewards is what drives people's decision.
To Bayroo, I hope you can get your self back up and running and this time better than the last... just do your self a favor and don't trust anyone with expensive corp property.
good luck Bayroo
what he said
Signed - Very well put
How do you justify actors who portray theives or worse? When you play poker, do you intend for everyone to leave with the same amount of money? If you play Risk, does everyone sign a treaty and noone loses?
This game is all about playing a charachter in a fantasy of everyone's making. The content is charachter driven, and this means that there are all types in the game. Expect it and live with it. No matter the hat anyone is playing under they should relish the fact that there is so much possiblity in this game for great friends and horrible betrayal. You can spend your time running an efficent business, brokering trade relationships, or become a pirate. All of these have many options, and everyone has a part to play.
People who try to claim there is a -direct- moral connection between a fantasy persona and who they are IRL are deceiving themselves. They are deceiving themselves into a fantasy world where they belive that if they can take the moral high ground, no matter what happens to them or anyone else in the game they're still "better".
Pure prattle.
Argments against that generally boil down to "It still causes a -real- person hurt and sadness" and/or "you still have wasted -real- time".
#1 - It only causes them real hurt if they choose to let it. Playing a game that includes the option for players to do each other direct harm should mean that you accept this is possible and find it enjoyable. If you don't, perhaps the game isn't for you.
#2 - Time "wasted" implies you get any real world use out of it - by default, entertainment's value can only be measured in what you get out of it. As I said in #1, if you're not entertained by the possiblity you could lose everything in-game and all of the other possiblities out there you shouldn't be playing it in the first place.
Yin and Yang - things would be boring if everyone had to be nice. Those who whine about bad things happening instead of learning from their mistakes are doomed, both here and in the real world.
Now - flame away :)
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan Acoma on 17/05/2006 16:29:29
PS - Bayroo, you seem like a standup guy - I don't mean to directly imply any ill will from my previous post toward you, just briging up the topic in general 
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.05.17 17:06:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Rutoo
Edited by: Rutoo on 17/05/2006 15:38:52
Originally by: Darken Two
I can't believe that Ruttoo can't make 27mil in a week. Most people in 0.0 can make it in an hour. So teh nub steals the POS and stuff and now thinks he's super rich. Lol what can I say, once a noob always a noob I suppose.
First of all,
1) I wasn't gonna pay that much to use it as a SS,
2) i was ratting for the sec status not for the isk
3) where did i even think i was super rich because of this? you keep saying that yourselfs that i am thinking that which is not true
4) At the time this was pulled off i was sitting at a personal wallet for 1 billion, Right now my wallet still sits at 1 Billion, I didn't do it for the isk i did it becuase it was fun.
edit: typo
Oh I see.
If you were using it just as an SS, why use it at all? I make my isk in pretty much the same area and I have never even seen Bayroo's POS. Ratting soes not need a POS. As for you doing it for fun, I dont see what fun is involved in backstabbing someone whos been very very helpful to everyone in the corp. You sneaked some guys in stole stuff and destroyed what ou didnt steal, must have be real exciting.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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torez
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Posted - 2006.05.17 17:39:00 -
[103]
Edited by: torez on 17/05/2006 17:49:17
Edited by: torez on 17/05/2006 17:46:50
Originally by: Rutoo
And those that actually think the above, it true, take the game to seriously.
...
Why? because it's wrong, and IBM Would Blacklist me hardcore :P.
...
But **** Happens.
And it really shows how naive people are in believing such crap.
So to recap.
 Let's say you work in IBM or wherever. You dont do a Rutoo to them because -you are saying- you are afraid of the consequences.
You "truthfully" like Bay, but oh well **** happens you stole everything the guy owned.
Yes, whoever is naive will believe your "such crap".
Oh... you're still famous. Just don't do a Rutoo to your current corpmates. They helped you remember?
And in EVE you cant die. Worst think that can happen is lose some skillpoints and remain iskless in a camped station forever. So, no one can kill you. Except you ofc.
Enjoy your Rutoo-life!
edited for typos and some rutoos
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:11:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Troye
Originally by: Rutoo
And those that actually think the above, it true, take the game to seriously.
I for one, Know for a fact, whatever happens in the game, Stays in the game. No one will ever come to my door and be like, "you messed with me ingame i am gonna kill you" Why? because it's a game.
Im guessing a POS with x6 tec2 BSs comes to over 1 billion, that equates to ú100 in RL currency (about $150). Even in a vertual world everything has its value. I buy time cards and Bayroo could probably have paid for a years worth a subcription with what you stole off him.
At least your trying to justify your actions on moral terms, most corp theives just run and hide.
*cough* - Investing time in this game is equivalent to gambling or going to a sports event you won't enjoy if your team does not win. You get entertainment out of it, monetary and tangible benefits (i.e. getting real world cash or goods) are technically against the EULA, even if that dosen't always work (sale of time cards, etc). Stop trying to equate losses in a game to real-life torts. The only people who like that are the taxman, macro farmers and laywers.
Oh - and what he did was totally 'immoral' in-game. He was, however, playing within the rules of the game - even if he's a grade-a jerk it's still not immoral in the real world.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:16:00 -
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you guys keep thinking what you want to think, but i think this thread showed that you guys really don't know alot
and you've seemed to reduce it to personal attacks fact is that, we offline, and unachored a Large Tower and Took it.
The Fact is, That your the first corp i did it to, because my tech II drones and ships went missing.
Another fact, I al loyal who to are loyal to me, i went back and joined Dark-Rising, Where all my friends are, and don't plan on leaving,
Another Fact: You can camp Rutoo in a station all you want, Infact, Where do you think that character has been the past week since this happened? Thats right Station.
Fact: Your not the first person to threaten my eve life, dj st0ra infact was the first.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:30:00 -
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I try to apply the same philosophy to corp theft that I do to any other form of loss in Eve.
The blame ultimately rests with me, because I ultimately made the decisions that allowed someone to take my POS or kill my ship.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari
I try to apply the same philosophy to corp theft that I do to any other form of loss in Eve.
The blame ultimately rests with me, because I ultimately made the decisions that allowed someone to take my POS or kill my ship.
Indeed I agree, I agree with many words that have been spoken within this thread.
Its a game, I am still  .
I think its time for this thread to be CLICKED**
See you in space Mr Rutoo!
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bayroo
Originally by: Eximius Josari
I try to apply the same philosophy to corp theft that I do to any other form of loss in Eve.
The blame ultimately rests with me, because I ultimately made the decisions that allowed someone to take my POS or kill my ship.
Indeed I agree, I agree with many words that have been spoken within this thread.
Its a game, I am still .
I think its time for this thread to be CLICKED**
See you in space Mr Rutoo!
Hmmm i was just thinking the same thing for it being clicked, anyways i'm in Geha Come get me
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
Originally by: Bayroo
Originally by: Eximius Josari
I try to apply the same philosophy to corp theft that I do to any other form of loss in Eve.
The blame ultimately rests with me, because I ultimately made the decisions that allowed someone to take my POS or kill my ship.
Indeed I agree, I agree with many words that have been spoken within this thread.
Its a game, I am still .
I think its time for this thread to be CLICKED**
See you in space Mr Rutoo!
Hmmm i was just thinking the same thing for it being clicked, anyways i'm in Geha Come get me
I know your every move buddy, phase 1 complete.
I was raised the old-fashioned way, with a stern set of moral principles: Never lie, cheat, steal or knowingly spread a venereal disease. Never speed up to hit a pedestrian or, or course, stop to kick a pedestrian who has already been hit. From which it followed, of course, that one would never ever -- on pain of deletion from dozens of Christmas card lists across the country -- vote Republican.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:54:00 -
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Sweet, I'll be home at 11:00PM EST which is like 4:00 GMT
I was raised same way also, i never lie, cheat, steal. In RL but again this is a game and i can be who ever i want.
And yet again you joke about me being Amercian,
Please Stop
Toronto Is in Canada Do you need a Map?
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Freyya
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Posted - 2006.05.17 19:12:00 -
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Hmmm i have been a member of smash for a month or so but i never though it had such harsch members in it..always enjoyed the corpchat and emperor seemed like a rightchous guy to me....wonder how the rest of the alliance thinks of these actions....thought they where also too busy fighting FIX in BZ and surroundings....or has that battle already ended?Or wernt the members of smash talking here helping their alliance members in BZ
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Posted - 2006.05.17 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Freyya
Hmmm i have been a member of smash for a month or so but i never though it had such harsch members in it..always enjoyed the corpchat and emperor seemed like a rightchous guy to me....wonder how the rest of the alliance thinks of these actions....thought they where also too busy fighting FIX in BZ and surroundings....or has that battle already ended?Or wernt the members of smash talking here helping their alliance members in BZ
Considering Emp was up there helping us i think he doesn't care
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Butch Sally
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Posted - 2006.05.17 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
Considering Emp was up there helping us i think he doesn't care
That says alot about your alliance.
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Freyya
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:27:00 -
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Ohh well...like i said he seemed like a rightchous guy to me
Seems like I misunderstood Smashs's objectives in EVE...Perhaps it was the corp I was in was about doing right to those who have been done wrong
kudos on the succesfull implementation of valid game tactics though... although I feel with Bayroo...
Hope you have learned a valluable lesson from this horrible mistake and you get up and running again soon...
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
And those that actually think the above, it true, take the game to seriously.
I for one, Know for a fact, whatever happens in the game, Stays in the game. No one will ever come to my door and be like, "you messed with me ingame i am gonna kill you" Why? because it's a game. I am have never even thought of stealing from my workplace. Why? because it's wrong, and IBM Would Blacklist me hardcore :P.
Bayroo threatened to Kill me so i've heard, Does that relect on him in reallife? According to what you say, yes. According to what i know, the answer is no.
Bayroo Truthfully is a nice guy, and i did enjoy camping gates with teh figther drones and i'm sorry it happened to him. But **** Happens.
And it really shows how naive people are in believing such crap.
I don't take the game seriously at all actually, I enjoy pvp very much and even play underhanded sometimes. I am not saying what you did was wrong, it's not my place to judge. my point was (which you seem to have missed) personal character doesn't change from game to RL, it's the same person making the decisions in both his/her RL as in his/her game.
the only diference is personal morality, consequences and rewards in each are very diferent.
Originally by: Berant
To suggest that morality is the only thing stopping the majority of people in this game from being killers in real life seems flawed as an arguement. I'd have thought 'basic psychology' would also back up that a civilised society can identify the difference between a game and RL. Do none of the people here toeing the line similar to Jubei Zon play games like counterstrike? Does the morality you speak of not apply to that game?
you ever play CS on a server with FF turned on and some **** comes in and kills his team over and over again for his own personal kicks? tell me.. where do those "personal kicks" come from? to sudgest people don't use the same contiousness/mind to make decisions in game and out of game is like saying we all have split personality disorder and live in two worlds a game world and a RL world.
I am not comparing killing people in the game to killing people in RL. you can compare killing people in this game to fighting in tournaments in RL if you want to, that's what I do, I am a combat competative person (RL fighter too). there are good fighters, and there are dirty fighters.
And I did not once dog on anyone for taking part in this theift. I was directly addressing the personal character comments.
SO instead of picking out just what you want to read and interpert only what you want to, read the whole thing and the actual point to my posts.
here let me quote one of my key points again:
Originally by: Jubei Zon
What was done is a good tactic sure, but don't try to fool others by saying it's just a game and does not reflect your personal character. You don't use two diferent brains to make diferent decisions in game and in RL. Consequences and Rewards is what drives people's decision.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:44:00 -
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Go post to someone who cares about your opnion Please.
Ohh and you know that guy killing everyone on the same team when FF is on, Thats me,
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:50:00 -
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Correction: you dont care. Unfortunatly you dont speak for the whole of the EVE comunity.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Troye
Correction: you dont care. Unfortunatly you dont speak for the whole of the EVE comunity.
well this is a thread about me
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Jubei Zon
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jubei Zon on 17/05/2006 22:03:09
Originally by: Tristan Acoma
How do you justify actors who portray theives or worse? When you play poker, do you intend for everyone to leave with the same amount of money? If you play Risk, does everyone sign a treaty and noone loses?
Well writen post. up until.
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People who try to claim there is a -direct- moral connection between a fantasy persona and who they are IRL are deceiving themselves. They are deceiving themselves into a fantasy world where they belive that if they can take the moral high ground, no matter what happens to them or anyone else in the game they're still "better".
that's really like saying there are two diferent personalities in everyone. their game personality and their RL personality... yet... they are the same person just in diferent invironments.
Why do people feel the need to defend their alterego? saying that it's "just a game"
I personally wouldn't say that for my self ever, and I enjoy pvp, and even ruining somoene else's fun if it means success for my corp, to a certain degree ofcourse, I wouldn't go and rip a corp off from the inside like that... but that's just me, everyone has their own tactics / aproach to playing the game. This is a competative game and I am after one thing; The success of my corp and my allies. But no one should delude them selves in thinking an mmorpg which is largely based on player to player interaction would be excluded in people's "cruel" side as some may see it. it's human nature. look at history.
by using your HUMAN senses, thoughts, ideas, dreams, what ever. it comes from you.
Don't go getting the wrong idea here, I am not a "champion of the naive" or "carebears" if they decide to be naive about the nature of humanity because "it's just a game" then let them be naive. but if you are an in the closet ******* then you are an in the closet *******. big deal, there are plenty of them around in humanity.
remember, in these games... you can do what ever you want, create your own fun. but it's still a reflection of who you are, and no one should deny that about them selves.
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NebulousBlur
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:33:00 -
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If eve isn't "just a game" then what is it?
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan Acoma on 17/05/2006 22:50:14
Originally by: Jubei Zon
Edited by: Jubei Zon on 17/05/2006 22:03:09
Originally by: Tristan Acoma
How do you justify actors who portray theives or worse? When you play poker, do you intend for everyone to leave with the same amount of money? If you play Risk, does everyone sign a treaty and noone loses?
Well writen post. up until.
Quote:
People who try to claim there is a -direct- moral connection between a fantasy persona and who they are IRL are deceiving themselves. They are deceiving themselves into a fantasy world where they belive that if they can take the moral high ground, no matter what happens to them or anyone else in the game they're still "better".
that's really like saying there are two diferent personalities in everyone. their game personality and their RL personality... yet... they are the same person just in diferent invironments.
I disagree - that's what puts the RPG into MMORPG. Everyone has wondered what it would be like to be ((Insert this here)).
Everyone has some amount of good/bad/etc in them, having a playground to explore yourself is incredibly entertaining. At the same time, a pirate wouldn't consider IRL actually DOING what they do, because in real life others suffer real consequences that affect things outside of the virtual world.
In my case, I would never destroy in real life a ship at sea with innocents onboard. Some will argue that this is because of the consequences of the law (cynics), but the truth is I could never bring myself to do such a thing. Thinking about their families, who they were, etc, I wouldn't. In the game, I know that no matter what I do they will still be able to log off and go back to their real life.
If you make the leap that people -should- care about their avatar as much as they care about their own person, then your point is vaild. I'm suggesting that people -should- be able to put on and take off their "game hat".
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I personally wouldn't say that for my self ever, and I enjoy pvp, and even ruining somoene else's fun if it means success for my corp, to a certain degree ofcourse, I wouldn't go and rip a corp off from the inside like that... but that's just me, everyone has their own tactics / aproach to playing the game. This is a competative game and I am after one thing; The success of my corp and my allies. But no one should delude them selves in thinking an mmorpg which is largely based on player to player interaction would be excluded in people's "cruel" side as some may see it. it's human nature. look at history.
That's just an assine comment - "human nature" is a tragic conflict of great good and great evil. It's just the bad stuff that makes the history books.
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by using your HUMAN senses, thoughts, ideas, dreams, what ever. it comes from you.
More importantly it comes from your imagination. Did you see "Sin City"? Are people who watch it therefore sick weirod cannibals? Do people who play paintball go out and kill people in their neighborhoods for fun?
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Don't go getting the wrong idea here, I am not a "champion of the naive" or "carebears" if they decide to be naive about the nature of humanity because "it's just a game" then let them be naive. but if you are an in the closet ******* then you are an in the closet *******. big deal, there are plenty of them around in humanity.
Indeed. Or, perhaps you simply play one on TV? :)
I will say this - if what you say is true (it isn't), it's really too bad there are so many closet crybabies out there - and that says something profound about humanity as a whole.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: NebulousBlur
If eve isn't "just a game" then what is it?
QFT.........and for those who think it is more and morals and ****.....you obviously haven't met me...outside of game.......and i don't see why its all on rutoo
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: BloodSpoon
Originally by: NebulousBlur
If eve isn't "just a game" then what is it?
QFT.........and for those who think it is more and morals and ****.....you obviously haven't met me...outside of game.......and i don't see why its all on rutoo
Yea i don't know why it's all on me either, But Keep up the fan mail i like it
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Jadiin
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Posted - 2006.05.17 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jadiin on 17/05/2006 23:11:56
You pay money on a monthly basis to play Eve and to steal all that from a person is just wrong. He invested time, effort and real life money into building all that up, imo what you did is the same as steal in real life and to sit back and say it's a game, move on and start again is just ridiculous. You cannot just "move on" from a 3 year investment into something, this is not a game of Counter Strike we are playing.
The act itself however doesn't exactly strike me as something particularly hard to do either, join a corp, be nice for x amount of time till you have access and then steal everything. Well done, aren't you great, you criminal mastermind you.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.17 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jadiin
Edited by: Jadiin on 17/05/2006 23:11:56
You pay money on a monthly basis to play Eve and to steal all that from a person is just wrong. He invested time, effort and real life money into building all that up, imo what you did is the same as steal in real life and to sit back and say it's a game, move on and start again is just ridiculous. You cannot just "move on" from a 3 year investment into something, this is not a game of Counter Strike we are playing.
The act itself however doesn't exactly strike me as something particularly hard to do either, join a corp, be nice for x amount of time till you have access and then steal everything. Well done, aren't you great, you criminal mastermind you.
^^ that just fuels it to happen more....my god its fun
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Jadiin
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Posted - 2006.05.17 23:20:00 -
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There are limits imo. I think corp theft on that scale goes past any reasonable thing you should do to an individual, even in a game. But meh if that's what you get off on and as long as it wasn't me what do I really care.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.17 23:26:00 -
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Mindstar Tech eh
Hmmmmmm
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Commander Chang
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:00:00 -
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People this is a GAME, you people really need to do more things in life. I know most play to escape from pressure of life, fair enough, there many who have taken it too far.
If the mechanics are there for someone to steal from you, then they will use it, also it is stupid to put all your eggs in one basket where someone can just access those eggs and take them to make a free breakfast. Accept the mistake and move on.
1. Never give anyone access to your most expensive items, allow corp members access to their own area, you know where the cheap stuff goes.
2. Keep all expensive items in a station as leaving it at POS is madness.
To those who stole, I think you should give it all back to Bayroo, he worked hard to build his character and all the items that he invested in. Crime does not pay. Even in a game.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Chang
To those who stole, I think you should give it all back to Bayroo, he worked hard to build his character and all the items that he invested in. Crime does not pay. Even in a game.
We offered it back Bayroo didn't want it,
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: BloodSpoon on 18/05/2006 01:16:59
Originally by: Commander Chang
People this is a GAME, you people really need to do more things in life. I know most play to escape from pressure of life, fair enough, there many who have taken it too far.
If the mechanics are there for someone to steal from you, then they will use it, also it is stupid to put all your eggs in one basket where someone can just access those eggs and take them to make a free breakfast. Accept the mistake and move on.
1. Never give anyone access to your most expensive items, allow corp members access to their own area, you know where the cheap stuff goes.
2. Keep all expensive items in a station as leaving it at POS is madness.
To those who stole, I think you should give it all back to Bayroo, he worked hard to build his character and all the items that he invested in. Crime does not pay. Even in a game.
we all know the best things in life are free....esp. if you're a rapist.....or a thief of course
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:30:00 -
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Theres only one thing you can do in EVE that would be considered wrong, and thats exploit. The 'Just a game' excuse is the most valid one. Its pixels on a screen, I mean its sad that people lose things in such a way but hey, its part of the game mechanics and keeps things interesting. I mean it sucks to put so much time and effort into one thing and then lose it in such a way but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Frankly those using the 'just a game' excuse are (IN MY OPINION) the most mature people out there, because they recognize its just a game and they won't get mad when it happens to them... or will they? DUN DUN DUN!
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Troye
Correction: you dont care. Unfortunatly you dont speak for the whole of the EVE comunity.
Oh god, you just brought back so many evil, yet fun, memories of playing Ghost recon on a LAN.
"Ok I see-"
*machine guns fire*
"Goddamnit, stop killing us or we're going to fail the mission."
Oh the fun of running around with an OICW and LAW.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:10:00 -
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*Thread locked*
At OP's request.
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