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Havriil Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote Subj. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues?
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 1014	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:20:00 - [2] - Quote All lvl-5 agents are in Low sec but the corporation is still dependent on who you have the standings to get the missions from. You don't have to join any corp to get lvl 5 missions you just need the standings to get the agent to talk to you. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Seraphiel Angelica Advanced Engineering and Research Division 2	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:21:00 - [3] - Quote That is the way it is. You can try to do them without being in the controlling pirate corperation/alliance, but they will most likely hunt your ass down. Some might accept a bribe, but I doubt that would involve protection of your ship while you are on your mission. My best suggestion, join the pirate corp, they are not all as bad as they appear to be.. They are just players there likes to pvp.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 905	Posted - 2014.04.20 02:28:00 - [4] - Quote Havriil wrote: Subj. It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues? In the case of the agent I used to use, due to ccp nerfing it only triggers into 3 systems, and the pop is very low so I'd probably store 2 dominixes in each system and use a covops on each character to gate and fetch the missions, keep an eye on d-scan for probes and consider any d-scan hit for 8 probes as "mission bookmark burned", and cancel the mission. There are lots of other options for limiting undock and gate risk but you will have watch d-scan most of the time. What you can't do is mission obliviously in a faction battleship.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 798	Posted - 2014.04.20 05:12:00 - [5] - Quote Havriil wrote: Subj. It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues? Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP
Havriil Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:52:00 - [6] - Quote IIshira wrote: Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k.
Adrie Atticus The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 73	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:59:00 - [7] - Quote Havriil wrote: IIshira wrote: Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k. Bigger risk, bigger reward.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 25	Posted - 2014.04.20 08:07:00 - [8] - Quote Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Garak n00biachi Capital Destruction Brig Consortium 131	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:00:00 - [9] - Quote James Baboli wrote: Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes. If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard....
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 798	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:26:00 - [10] - Quote Havriil wrote: IIshira wrote: Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k. Go for it and find out. Longer mission completion times, wasting time hiding from pirates and spending ISK to replace ships will more than make up for any extra reward. Maybe if you can make friends with the locals but I don't see why would they benefit from you in their system.
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 221	Posted - 2014.04.20 18:21:00 - [11] - Quote Garak n00biachi wrote: James Baboli wrote: Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes. If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard.... So CCP has specifically removed these missions from highsec because? Herp a ******* derp it's a conspiracy
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 798	Posted - 2014.04.20 19:11:00 - [12] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: Garak n00biachi wrote: James Baboli wrote: Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes. If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard.... So CCP has specifically removed these missions from highsec because? Herp a ******* derp it's a conspiracy Partly because people whined and partly because they felt it was OP. Risk vs reward and all. The problem is they only pay slightly more per hour and the risk is significantly higher.
Fango Mango University of Caille Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2014.04.21 03:48:00 - [13] - Quote Havriil wrote: Subj. It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues? As someone who has been running L5s for years I can tell you that player pirates do not affect your ability to run L5s assuming that you are smart about it. I have run L5s in Caldari/Gallente/Minmattar space (never bothered with Amarr, but I assume the same strat would work). I have never belonged to the local pirate corp and am often on bad terms with them because I like to make fun of their fail gank/camp/cyno attemps. 1) Fly cheap. If you fly faction ships you are going to get hunted a lot. Fly T1 and most pirates won't bother hunting you. 2) Blitz missions. I fly a 3 domi + Auguror Fleet and complete missions in an average of 3 minutes on grid. 3) Add ECCM to your fit, it won't make you impossible to scan down but it will make it hard enough that you will know before they catch you 4) You better have a MWD and a T2 cloak on every ship that you don't want to loose. 5) Don't be a **** in local, although I often make fun a pirates when they fail camp/cyno. Overall I complete about 7 missions per hour multiboxing 4 accounts. Here are the fits that I run [Dominix, L5] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Reactive Armor Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Co-Processor II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Drone Link Augmentor II Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter Improved Cloaking Device II Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hobgoblin IIx5 Low Grade Ascendancy Set in slots 1-5 WS-615 [Augoror, L5] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Reactive Armor Hardener Reactor Control Unit II Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter Civilian Blaster (Assign the drones to assist this ship and use blaster to target them) Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Low Grade Ascendancy Set in slots 1-5 WS-610 -FM
GreenSeed 989	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:35:00 - [14] - Quote first of all, doing lvl5s alone means you cant "do" them and you must blitz them. so pick your missions carefully and accept the blitzable ones, then do them in an AF or Itty if instead you want to "do" them, then get more pilots, and fly a "**** off" doctrine, any t1 fleet with LOGI support can become too expensive to kill. harbingers, hurricanes, drakes, not to mention the retardedly op prophecy. just 4 passive prophecies, with acceptable skills, can do lvl5s spider tanking it, and any lowseccer that sees the possibility of 20 drones on grid with nav computers and omnilinks as support will never land on it. or just stick to caracals/mallers/arbitrators or you can use HICs if you have the money/SP, cruisers work fine too, but the margin for error is lower and you will need two logis. (btw, there's no need for t2 logi, t1 works just fine.) you will lose ships and pods if you are running them on a weekend, so plan accordingly. still, at the end of the day you will make a hefty profit. btw, if you can get 2 or 3 other pilots to fly with you for lvl5s, then don't, and just go do exploration in lowsec, or NPC null. a lot more money and all the "solo" explorers are a bunch of cowards, half the sites you find you can just chase the runner off and take the loot.
Adamai Stargate Chivalry 14	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:37:00 - [15] - Quote simple answer!! build your own corporation moveinto that particular low sec and fight the pirates off so you can run those missions.. moaning and complaining about it is not how you play eve and no!! ccp will not make it so you can go do those missions on your own because you feel you need to. im afraid this is the way of eve and you need to hone your own individual understanding of the game its players and what kind of mindset is required to succeed in the game. success is not running level 5 missions and making boat loads of isk. success in eve is being able to control others. your either an empire care bear or a low sec freelancer or a null sec player. there is no neutral entity! no one will give you instant friendship or ensure no one will kill you or destroy your stuff or hunt you or camp you in stations so you cannot play! this im afraid you have to sort out your self and the sooner you realize eve is about making friends and creating political allies the sooner you will start to enjoy the game more. but i do have one tip for you!! the amount of time it takes to run a lvl 5 mission!!! is not worth it.. you would make a boat load more isk by grinding level 4's safely. just take a step back and think of the pros and cons.. lvl 4 missions = high sec people cannot just kill you because they want to. if you fit your ship right you wont die in the mission this means all you can do is make money. i dont really see any cons to grinding level 4 missions other than it getting boreing. lvl 5 missions = the isk is only slightly better than lvl 4 but takes a long long long time to run. its practically impossible to solo in any reasonable amount of time. plus when you try them their is always a huge risk of pirates ganking your ass.. this is exactly why they base in these areas.. to solo a level 5 missions your ship needs to be significant and that is a pay day to all pirates they will make more isk from your death than you will from a lvl 5 misison as you will 9 times out of 10 not complete it. a lvl 5 m,ission requires a team fit to do them as quickly as possible before they can become a viable income source. the risks are way way to much in comparison to level 4 missions. ccp will not put them in empire space. so might want to try and get over it as it will destroy your sole beating your self up over it. eve is about exploitation of others. have fun and i hope you figure things out..:) if not then i hope i you enjoy your next game.
Adamai Stargate Chivalry 14	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:44:00 - [16] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: Havriil wrote: IIshira wrote: Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k. Bigger risk, bigger reward. much much much bigger risk..
coca cola king 2	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:08:00 - [17] - Quote Yesn+îreintroduce L5 and capitals into hi sec please. I want more hi sec content. Dinsdale Pirannha for CSM. Ripard Teg for CEO of CCP. Grrrr Goon.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2659	Posted - 2014.04.21 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote Level 5 missions are intended to be a resource worth fighting over, hence being lowsec based. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Gary Bell Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 124	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:37:00 - [19] - Quote Adamai LOL you are so wrong.. When you control the area LVL 5s can be 4 or five times more profitable then lvl fours and the hole point to LVL 5s are to blitz them.. The money is in the LP.. Killing and looting the drone missions before the changes used to be worth it but it isnt anymore.. so blitz blitz blitz
Eurynome Mangeiri Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.04.22 14:00:00 - [20] - Quote Garak n00biachi wrote: James Baboli wrote: Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes. If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard.... wait a year.....
Lockdown86 Blue Cheese Squad 0	Posted - 2014.04.23 12:21:00 - [21] - Quote IIshira wrote: Havriil wrote: Subj. It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues? Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP level 4 missions are the worse / boring source of income, i did incursions, and wanted to try level 4s so did the grind and hit level 4s and omg what a waste of my time! slit my wrist moments, reward of 1-4m per hand in LOL make more isk mining in a venture
G3neral D3stRuCtion Alternative Industries 0	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:13:00 - [22] - Quote They really need to improve level 4 missions or move some level 5's to hi sec. It would be nice all level 4 had bonus rooms. Move level 5's to hi-sec and create another level for low sec.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1033	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:22:00 - [23] - Quote G3neral D3stRuCtion wrote: They really need to improve level 4 missions or move some level 5's to hi sec. It would be nice all level 4 had bonus rooms. Move level 5's to hi-sec and create another level for low sec. And then you would start asking for lvl 6 in high sec...
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 242	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:19:00 - [24] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: G3neral D3stRuCtion wrote: They really need to improve level 4 missions or move some level 5's to hi sec. It would be nice all level 4 had bonus rooms. Move level 5's to hi-sec and create another level for low sec. And then you would start asking for lvl 6 in high sec... Correct. However, what I think is happening here is that hiseccers want more PvE content that requires multiple players to complete (besides Incursions). I could see this, but the rewards would have to be appropriate/not much more than lvl 4's. Actually, maybe what should be done is that these hisec multi-player lvl 5 missions should pay about what lvl 4's do now (per player on average) and the reward of lvl 4's nerfed.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1109	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:33:00 - [25] - Quote Lockdown86 wrote: level 4 missions are the worse / boring source of income, i did incursions, and wanted to try level 4s so did the grind and hit level 4s and omg what a waste of my time! slit my wrist moments, reward of 1-4m per hand in LOL make more isk mining in a venture The money in L4s is in the Loyalty Point payouts. It takes some effort to find the good items in the good stores, get the tags if necessary, and so on, but if you want them to be more than a quick hit of a few million ISK, that's what you have to do. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 775	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:45:00 - [26] - Quote Level V's don't pay very much more than IV's for the average pilot. You need multiple pilots, 3-way splits, or more. Much more time, Much more risk. On many nights a Hi-sec missioner can earn the same as a lvl V mission crew member. Having them in Low-sec does have some incentives though. It gives hi-sec pilots incentive to venture out. It gives incentive for group play, with decent pay, and a new, exciting, adventure. It gives corps incentive to move in, and control low-sec hubs. Populating Low-sec had been a long time issue for CCP.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 817	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:00:00 - [27] - Quote RavenPaine wrote: Level V's don't pay very much more than IV's for the average pilot. You need multiple pilots, 3-way splits, or more. Much more time, Much more risk. On many nights a Hi-sec missioner can earn the same as a lvl V mission crew member. Having them in Low-sec does have some incentives though. It gives hi-sec pilots incentive to venture out. It gives incentive for group play, with decent pay, and a new, exciting, adventure. It gives corps incentive to move in, and control low-sec hubs. Populating Low-sec had been a long time issue for CCP. I want to go to lowsec where I'm going to make about the same as I would in highsec but get killed by pirates. Yeah I'm on my way!
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 817	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:04:00 - [28] - Quote Lowsec is good for one thing, ganking fools who are dumb enough to go there without proper scout. I do this frequently. I see no point to go run missions there risking a PVE fitted ship that can be killed by anything. Risk vs reward I got it but currently there's not nearly enough reward for the risk.
Judas Isu Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:52:00 - [29] - Quote I'd love to see some actual numbers on mission running activity. How many level 5's are completed in a day, say versus 4? Just curious.
Fango Mango University of Caille Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2014.04.25 06:15:00 - [30] - Quote Judas Isu wrote: I'd love to see some actual numbers on mission running activity. How many level 5's are completed in a day, say versus 4? Just curious. I can give you a rough guess on L5 mission runners. At any point in time there are 2-5 people running L5s out of each L5 hub. Lets go with average of 4 There are 10 L5 hubs. Lets say each of them completes 8 mission per hour. You are looking at 320 Mission per Hour. 7520 L5s per day. I bet that is several orders of magnitude below the number of L4s run per day -FM

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