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Seethee Later
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Seethee Later on 16/05/2006 08:31:57
So just exactly what is my motivation to undock?
My skills train themselves, theres only 5 points available per skill (despite what your display might tell you) and everyone ends up having the same skills.
I'd love to get some elite modules for my ship but all the complexes are camped and in alliance territory. I'm stuck grinding level 4 missions to earn enough isk to buy them from escrow/forums and thats just boring.
If I did manage to get some elite modules, theres no use putting them on my ship as the moment I undocked I run the risk of losing billions of isk of equipment thats just cost me weeks of my life grinding to afford.
The only way to get a tech 2 blueprint is through sitting and waiting, or grinding for isk. Ho hum...
PVP is just blob, camp, jammers, warp core stabs and people logging off.
0.0 is empty. There's nothing there apart from a few camped conquerable stations, camped npc stations and camped deadpsace sites. If you did want to go there you have to pass through a small number of systems where any group of 1 month old noobs can destroy you however many skill points you have, what modules you're using or what type of ship you're flying.
I've played this game a lot (too much probably) for 3 years (with 3 accounts) and whilst I think it can't be faulted as a technical achievement, as a game I think its fatally flawed. Its character development system is very simplistic and the game mechanics are constantly being tuned 'upside down' eg gaining isk is the only reward for undocking and theres no real reward for training skills other than gaining access to content. There's also no reward or lasting sense of achievement for anything you work towards.
3 years in EVE and nothing to show for it.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:33:00 -
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ISK
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:35:00 -
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Must...resist...urge to...post cliche....
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....can I have your stuff?
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:36:00 -
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Motivation to undock: Give and receive pain.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Motivation to undock: Give and receive pain.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kaladr on 16/05/2006 08:38:49
Originally by: Seethee Later
Edited by: Seethee Later on 16/05/2006 08:31:57
So just exactly what is my motivation to undock?
My skills train themselves, theres only 5 points available per skill (despite what your display might tell you) and everyone ends up having the same skills.
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PVP is just blob, camp, jammers, warp core stabs and people logging off.
0.0 is empty. There's nothing there apart from a few camped conquerable stations, camped npc stations and camped deadpsace sites. If you did want to go there you have to pass through a small number of systems where any group of 1 month old noobs can destroy you however many skill points you have, what modules you're using or what type of ship you're flying.
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So you claim to be a beta-age character, and complain that there aren't enough skills to learn?
and
Something tells me you have never actually done any of the above.
Oh yeah, (never done this one before, can I try??  )
Can I have your stuff?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:39:00 -
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You do have some valid points i think. Most people will one-line this post with "can i have your stuff" though.
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Epictetus
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:42:00 -
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The game kept you interested enough to play with 3 accounts for 3 years and you claim there is nothing to do?
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
You do have some valid points i think. Most people will one-line this post with "can i have your stuff" though.
My "can I have your stuff?" post was six lines!
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Crumplecorn
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:45:00 -
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I undock because I like flying around in space in video games. Everything else is a bonus.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:47:00 -
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Do see some of your points in that post, the skill development does need some tweaking to make it just more than the basic of click and wait for timer to complete, perhaps boni to training rates if your performing a certain action that requires a skill... actually thats a rather good idea.
And it is true, that a 1 month old newb can blow you up on the bottlenecks into 0.0, its the argument alot of the pirates use when people moan about not wanting to Pvp but on the flip side, its also the arguement why alot of newbs don't ever think about going into 0.0 and just end up joining a massive alliance, which makes the game a tad stagnent. The only real change on the scene of alliances lately has been Goons, expanding into true 0.0 rather than just hold up in syndicates crokite central.
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Micia
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:47:00 -
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Take a break. 
If you miss it, you'll be back.
If you don't... I hope you find something that makes you a little happier than Eeyore. 
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3 years in EVE and nothing to show for it.
What is it you were looking for?
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My sig 
Originally by: The Wizz117
EDIT: wait a minute reykjavik isent any where near iceleand...
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal
Do see some of your points in that post, the skill development does need some tweaking to make it just more than the basic of click and wait for timer to complete, perhaps boni to training rates if your performing a certain action that requires a skill... actually thats a rather good idea.
And it is true, that a 1 month old newb can blow you up on the bottlenecks into 0.0, its the argument alot of the pirates use when people moan about not wanting to Pvp but on the flip side, its also the arguement why alot of newbs don't ever think about going into 0.0 and just end up joining a massive alliance, which makes the game a tad stagnent. The only real change on the scene of alliances lately has been Goons, expanding into true 0.0 rather than just hold up in syndicates crokite central.
You and the topic owener have to go to play wow!!
This is not your game.. and plz don't try to ruin it by posting on the forums..
kthxbye
PS.: Skill training without grinding is the best thing this game can have. If it would be th other way, ppl with 24 hour free time or macroers would be the ruler of the game, and that would be suck. If ouy want to grind go play WOW.
To the OT , if you only grind LVL, it is your lack of imagination, not the games fault.... go play WOW.
And Yep I'm a bit scared, I see more and more posts like this, and it scare the **** out of me if I think one time CCP will listen...
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:03:00 -
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well, skills train faster if you have more isk, you gotta buy skillbooks you know,,, and implants 
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But we can play with it after. ~kieron
that should be considered an exploit >[ -mazzilliu
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Bl4zer
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
I undock because I like flying around in space in video games.
I'm with you on this one. I fell in love with space based games with Elite on the BBC micro. And have played practically every space based combat/trading game since.
Eve is beautiful and even now I go, wow! Fighting real people is so much better than fighting AI. However my main gripe with Eve is the combat system, it pretty much boils down to getting to optimal and nursing your cap.
So, until something better comes along, I will keep on undocking.
Save the Ubar asteroids
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Marisal
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Balazs Simon
Originally by: Marisal
Do see some of your points in that post, the skill development does need some tweaking to make it just more than the basic of click and wait for timer to complete, perhaps boni to training rates if your performing a certain action that requires a skill... actually thats a rather good idea.
And it is true, that a 1 month old newb can blow you up on the bottlenecks into 0.0, its the argument alot of the pirates use when people moan about not wanting to Pvp but on the flip side, its also the arguement why alot of newbs don't ever think about going into 0.0 and just end up joining a massive alliance, which makes the game a tad stagnent. The only real change on the scene of alliances lately has been Goons, expanding into true 0.0 rather than just hold up in syndicates crokite central.
You and the topic owener have to go to play wow!!
This is not your game.. and plz don't try to ruin it by posting on the forums..
kthxbye
PS.: Skill training without grinding is the best thing this game can have. If it would be th other way, ppl with 24 hour free time or macroers would be the ruler of the game, and that would be suck. If ouy want to grind go play WOW.
To the OT , if you only grind LVL, it is your lack of imagination, not the games fault.... go play WOW.
And Yep I'm a bit scared, I see more and more posts like this, and it scare the **** out of me if I think one time CCP will listen...
Im not saying the game should be switched out for grinding one just boni for doing activities, and btw if you think your not grinding now, then what are you actually doing in the game just sitting there looking at the pritty station interior, your grinding alright, your grinding for isk, skill grinding in EVE has been substitued with more emphasis on the economy, in everything you do in eve is motivated by gaining more isk, and don't say Pvp doesn't give you isk because it gives you loads and you don't even have to be a pirate, loot cans are there at every kill if you don't take em its your own fault.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:33:00 -
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3 years in EVE and nothing to show for it.
1) what did you expect to get? or what do you feel you should have for it?
2) you have no positive memorys from your time playing the game?
I played ATITD for over a year, and the whole game world was restarted(part of that game is that it plays through a "telling" then is collectively won/lost and then restarts with some changes) and now after the second telling is nearly gone(not playing since early of the second telling) all the things I did, all my major accomplishments in the first telling are long past as memorys...
but some of my best gaming memorys are from those times, and it taught LOADS of things about what the genre can be.
its up to you if you're left with anything or not.
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Benilopax
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:37:00 -
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Start a corp! Start an alliance! Become a leader and well respected player! And for the love of god risk your billions worth of modules and feel the adrenaline running in your veins!
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Benilopax touched by an Avon!
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:41:00 -
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Can I have your corpse?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Seethee Later
3 years in EVE and nothing to show for it.
Friends? Memories? Reputation? All you seem to be focused on is getting ISK and becoming stupidly rich. I would've thought after 3 years that you would learn that EVE doesn't work like that :).
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Caja Wrython
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Posted - 2006.05.16 09:57:00 -
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My motivation to undock would be my corp mates and the betterment of my corp as a whole.
There is so much more to this game than just isk.
Perhaps its time to join a new corp?
Hope you find your way!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Seethee Later
3 years in EVE and nothing to show for it.
Friends? Memories? Reputation? All you seem to be focused on is getting ISK and becoming stupidly rich. I would've thought after 3 years that you would learn that EVE doesn't work like that :).
QFT. What good is 100 billion in the wallet when you want to quit...
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:04:00 -
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Eve = set of tools.
Game = other players.
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Finkly
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:05:00 -
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Think about a change of play style.
If you find the right bunch its not all about blobs and fleets sitting still podding shuttles for 2hrs.
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George Soros
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: George Soros on 16/05/2006 10:30:34
Very sorry to read your post SeeThee. I haven't been playing as long as you but I share your frustration in the "camping bias" of Eve. Nevertheless, I love the game and work around the camps - so I have to go the long way around in my freighter and it takes 4 hours longer - so be it - I always find ways to make the trips pay off.
As a 3 year old character you shouldn't have any problem getting membership in an alliance of your choosing - so join one and then the joys you complain about not having access to will open up. Most good alliances don't expect your 23/7 dedication - as long as you show loyalty and help them out in times of need (which can be often) you can pretty much go ahead and enjoy your game in (relative) safety.
EVERYTHING the game has to offer is especially available to older characters as there are so few of them. I get the sense you're trying to solo-pwn Eve - it simply can't be done. As you say, a gank of noobs will beat you if you try.
Hope you stick around, mate.
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Phrixus Zephyr
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Posted - 2006.05.16 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Seethee Later
0.0 is empty. There's nothing there apart from a few camped conquerable stations, camped npc stations and camped deadpsace sites. If you did want to go there you have to pass through a small number of systems where any group of 1 month old noobs can destroy you however many skill points you have, what modules you're using or what type of ship you're flying.
You actually been anywhere in 0.0 appart from Syndicate where you got ganked by Goonfleet? I havn't even beem in Eve for 1 year let alone 3, been in 0.0 for 3+ months and i can find all of those stations/complexes that arn't camped quite easily.
Originally by: Jude Kopenhagen
I heard a little bird tell me that the new Battle Ship will be called "The sky is falling, I'm gonna have to learn more skills, oh woe are us!" |
Biosman
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Posted - 2006.05.16 11:12:00 -
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mate with your experience,skills and knowledge isnt it about time you was in a 0.0 alliance?
theres a hell of alot of good alliances in empire and 0.0 space that would be willing to give you a home.
seems you just need to get on ts or vent and make some buddies,eve is about other people and
doing things as a team.
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.05.16 11:12:00 -
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Would you like some cheese?
If you dont like it, quit, no ones forcing you to play anymore. Sell all your crap for isk, and then split the ISK with some of your closest friends, if you have any - because all your reasons are materialistic, not about the community and friendship at all - and leave.
Izo Azlion,
Clan Wolf.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zzazzt
Eve = set of tools.
Game = other players.
Tool = OP.
Other players = MLM <3.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:58:00 -
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It certainly kept you busy for longer then most other games out there I am sure =)
Most games are counted in hours of game play, you gotta admit eve is something special compared to 99% of other computer games.
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