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Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:36:00 -
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I don't mind so much losing a ship or two to a bubble camp,
HOWEVER
When null-sec becomes impossible to travel across due to bubbles on every other system with no alternate routes I get testy. The only way to counter these is to fly an interceptor or covert ops ship; but then there really is no point to either of these unless you are trying to move items around. Sometimes I want to bring a ship in for ratting / pvp but I can't.
Suggestion:
-Make the bubbles last less time when placed
-Make them cost more
Same ability to bubble-camp; less ability to shut down entire sectors of space for extended periods of time. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1292
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:45:00 -
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Game mechanics are not the problem. Other players will always figure out a way to ruin your day. That's part of EvE.
It's not up to the mechanics to protect you, especially in nullsec.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction
The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:49:00 -
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There is no other way to ruin my day other than these mobile warp disruptors. Every other kind of camp I can get through; besides maybe a lucky interdictor that caught me right as I go through a gate. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
417
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:54:00 -
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Its not like theres a cheap, fast aligning, fast warping interdiction nullified class of ship these days or anything IS THERE GUYS. |
Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction
The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:55:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:The only way to counter these is to fly an interceptor or covert ops ship; but then there really is no point to either of these unless you are trying to move items around.
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Kathao Crendraven
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:11:00 -
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Welcome to NullSec! Everyone loves Newbies here.
-á |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
468
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Posted - 2014.04.21 18:20:00 -
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Bookmarks! |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
Sicarius Draconis
345
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Posted - 2014.04.21 18:46:00 -
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Geez, get a T3 Strat cruiser. Fit interdictioner nullifier + covert subsytem. Put ammo, mods, and Mobile Depot in cargo. Travel to system, make a deep safe, deploy depot, refit.
IT. IS. THAT. SIMPLE.
And if you can't fly a strategic cruiser.....TRAIN IT. |
Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction
The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:03:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Geez, get a T3 Strat cruiser. Fit interdictioner nullifier + covert subsytem. Put ammo, mods, and Mobile Depot in cargo. Travel to system, make a deep safe, deploy depot, refit.
IT. IS. THAT. SIMPLE.
And if you can't fly a strategic cruiser.....TRAIN IT.
That is the least simple solution I have ever seen |
Alek Azam
Screaming Hayabusa
6
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:23:00 -
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Use the wormhole highway!
Blog: http://sellyourmainbro.blogspot.co.uk/
Twitter: @_Alek_Azam_ |
Silverbackyererse
Nasranite Watch
52
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:18:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote: Sometimes I want to bring a ship in for ratting / pvp but I can't.
Sounds like you are getting your PVP. 
Why would you want to rat in null-sec?  |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
222
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Posted - 2014.04.22 02:24:00 -
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Protip shoot them |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.04.22 02:51:00 -
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Alek Azam wrote:Use the wormhole highway!
If you aren't already dipping your wick into nullsec via the wormhole country roads, you deserve the gate camps.
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
417
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:34:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Geez, get a T3 Strat cruiser. Fit interdictioner nullifier + covert subsytem. Put ammo, mods, and Mobile Depot in cargo. Travel to system, make a deep safe, deploy depot, refit.
IT. IS. THAT. SIMPLE.
And if you can't fly a strategic cruiser.....TRAIN IT. That is the least simple solution I have ever seen
"There are multiple solutions to my problem which are relatively easy to implement but I am going to post on forums instead" |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Repeat 0ffenders
190
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:47:00 -
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Please don't complain about legitimate, balanced game mechanics.
If you don't like what someone else is doing in EvE, you can do something about it. You can break their camp. You can get buddies to break their camp. You can fail in the attempt. This opportunity is what makes EvE the game that it is and it's why I like playing it.
If you don't like the freedom you have here, you'll be happier playing something else. Please don't ruin our game for the rest of us.
QCATS is Recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
350125GO
Transcendent Sedition
Dustm3n
34
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:50:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:Please don't complain about legitimate, balanced game mechanics.
If you don't like what someone else is doing in EvE, you can do something about it. You can break their camp. You can get buddies to break their camp.
Or you can just grief them and call it "creating content" |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:14:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=22971961
No, you shouldn't be able to safely solo a Badger through Syndicate. |
Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction
The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:23:00 -
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Wow it's somewhat amazing that anyone would defend a mobile warp disruptor as a balanced gameplay mechanic. It is inherently unbalanced as some types of ships are completely immune to its effect. All it does is make gate camping easier. |
Ms Sade
Hammertime Holding
Division Nine Alliance
10
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:41:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:I don't mind so much losing a ship or two to a bubble camp,
HOWEVER
When null-sec becomes impossible to travel across due to bubbles on every other system with no alternate routes I get testy. The only way to counter these is to fly an interceptor or covert ops ship; but then there really is no point to either of these unless you are trying to move items around. Sometimes I want to bring a ship in for ratting / pvp but I can't.
Suggestion:
-Make the bubbles last less time when placed
-Make them cost more
Same ability to bubble-camp; less ability to shut down entire sectors of space for extended periods of time.
Hmm, cost really is a balancing factor...
Go T3/SB/Recon or bring some friends. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
3883
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Posted - 2014.04.22 23:31:00 -
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Find a less dangerous area of nullsec to explore.
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2014.04.23 01:28:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:Wow it's somewhat amazing that anyone would defend a mobile warp disruptor as a balanced gameplay mechanic. It is inherently unbalanced as some types of ships are completely immune to its effect. All it does is make gate camping easier.
Your arguments so far:
This Item has counters and workarounds. Therefore imbalanced.
This module has a purpose. Therefore... I don't know, you were probably implying that gatecamps are bad because you like to fly Badgers into them, but you didn't actually make a statement or provide it with any justification.
Have you considered the possibility that it is, in fact, you who are bad, and not the villainous bubbles? |
Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction
The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.04.23 10:55:00 -
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I've never ever flown a badger into a mobile warp disruptor I'm not sure what you're talking about |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Repeat 0ffenders
190
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Posted - 2014.04.24 02:49:00 -
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If you don't own null sec, why should you be allowed to traverse it?
QCATS is Recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Luwc
Biohazard.
WINMATAR.
118
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:32:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:I don't mind so much losing a ship or two to a bubble camp,
HOWEVER
When null-sec becomes impossible to travel across due to bubbles on every other system with no alternate routes I get testy. The only way to counter these is to fly an interceptor or covert ops ship; but then there really is no point to either of these unless you are trying to move items around. Sometimes I want to bring a ship in for ratting / pvp but I can't.
Suggestion:
-Make the bubbles last less time when placed
-Make them cost more
Same ability to bubble-camp; less ability to shut down entire sectors of space for extended periods of time.
No.
use your d-scanner
pounce celestials.
and what JAF said.
**** off.
http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems
Templis CALSF
162
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:44:00 -
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Bubbles are a really, really bad mechanic.
There are so many better ways to deal with mass warp disruption. |
Akashi Suenobu
Raven's Flight
Havoc.
0
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:29:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:Ding Bang Oww wrote:The only way to counter these is to fly an interceptor or covert ops ship; but then there really is no point to either of these unless you are trying to move items around.
Or a T3 cruiser, with a mobile depot, interdiction nullified and cloaky and when you find a plex you want refit for combat. It's that simple. Stop whining. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
Sicarius Draconis
349
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Posted - 2014.04.24 19:52:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:I've never ever flown a badger into a mobile warp disruptor I'm not sure what you're talking about
Eve-Kill says differently. My poor wittle badger went boom! |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
3893
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Posted - 2014.04.24 20:16:00 -
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Interdiction nullification is a newer mechanic than warp bubbles.
Warp bubbles effect almost all ship types in the bubble equally. Yes, nullified ships are immune, but those that are nullified are limited in other ways.
I love using bubbles, and honestly believe they are the most tactically useful and interesting mechanic available in game. I can understand why you may be frustrated with constantly being caught by bubbles, but they are generally trivially easy to work around:
Drag / Catch bubbles can be bypassed using un-aligned celestials and bookmarks.
Cloaky ships can often power out of a bubble and warp off to safety.
Fast ships can usually power back to gate and retreat to safety.
Battleships can MJD out of the bubble and warp off.
Nullified ships can ignore the bubble's disruption effect.
I'm sorry if these techniques are inconvenient for your particular playstyle, but that doesn't make mobile warp disruptors a bad thing. They are probably my favorite deployable in the game!
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Shadow Mancer
BulletProof Monks
Usurper.
3
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Posted - 2014.04.27 10:51:00 -
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Cry me a river...
Ask someone in your alliance who has Jump Freighter to help bringing down all your stuffs to null sec, problem solved.
Or get the 2nd alt account and scout, I can think of 10 more ways to travel in low sec with no problems at all. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
1658
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Posted - 2014.04.27 12:17:00 -
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Bubbles! |
Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.27 17:16:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Ding Bang Oww wrote:I've never ever flown a badger into a mobile warp disruptor I'm not sure what you're talking about Eve-Kill says differently. My poor wittle badger went boom!
Are you legitimately ********? An interdictor is not a mobile warp disruptor |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Advanced Amateurs
1256
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Posted - 2014.04.28 17:22:00 -
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I second the wormhole highway. Not the most dependent, but definately one of the safest ways to enter null from lowsec. |
kingduckling
The Swamp Dwellers
1
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Posted - 2014.05.04 01:41:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I second the wormhole highway. Not the most dependent, but definately one of the safest ways to enter null from lowsec.
it is depenndent.GO to nullwhere u want to rat ->find closest wh->track hs exit->bring your ship in.
If u do it the other way u cant control where in nullsec you end up.ofc with the first u get in hs so u might have to do 30 jumps to get to it and ofc it sucks if the OP want to bring a battleship. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Circle-Of-Two
1129
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Posted - 2014.05.04 02:45:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:
That is the least simple solution I have ever seen
Who told you Eve is suppose to be simple?
If you don't want to listen to the answers people have given you here, you should ask around within your corp/alliance.
You have some good corp members who should be able to help you.
Docked since 2009. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5375
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:07:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Ding Bang Oww wrote:I've never ever flown a badger into a mobile warp disruptor I'm not sure what you're talking about Eve-Kill says differently. My poor wittle badger went boom! Are you legitimately ********? An interdictor is not a mobile warp disruptor
Correct. They are VERY mobile warp disruptors that performs the exact the same function using the exact same mechanics... only with weapons as a bonus.
The entire point behind mobile warp disruptors is to make transversing "outlaw space" extremely hazardous and inhibit travel into an area claimed by someone (officially or unoffically).
It does not actually prevent you from traveling though... players do that. You just have to outsmart the players or use a specialized ship to compensate... just like everything else in the game.
And yes... you can totally PvP in an interceptor. Just fit more "creatively" (hint: more damage, less speed).
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Leiko Maruyama
Phoibe Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:27:00 -
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Not sure if troll or serious.
1/10 for effort, 6/10 for responses. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility
1016
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:02:00 -
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Learn to pvp the camps, or warp to gates from different celestials.
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
194
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:48:00 -
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OP, maybe you're not focussing the actual issue: bubbles don't blow up ships, players do.
Bubbles are just an effective tool to 'catch' you and to a certain extent 'hold' you, they don't increase your opponent's capability to blow you up. Nor can people blow you up if they're not in system and on grid (hint: use scouts).
You're basically saying that in null it's a bit harder to run from pvp. I think that's working as intended, along with the absence of gate guns. Otherwise null would just be sov lowsec with dds and better moons. |
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