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Doireen Kaundur 783	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:34:00 - [31] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Why can't people spare us these dumb - with a D - ideas? Can you come up with better ideas? A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 606	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:43:00 - [32] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Seraph Essael wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Thank you for properly calling them "star systems" and not "solar systems", like even CCP is doing wrongly. Not gonna get into an argument with you, I think you're rather funny on these here forums and what not but; 'Solar System' or 'Planetary System' is the correct terminology to use when the system has non-steller objects in orbit as well as Steller... A 'Star System' or 'Steller System' has only steller orbitals. For example, a star orbiting another star... Thanks for not dismissing me as a stupid troll. Shows you can put thought into something. I can agree on "planetary systems", but don't understand why it could be called "solar". Sol is the name of our star and the solar system therefore is the system of Sol. So why would other systems be ever called solar systems when their stars definitely aren't Sol? That doesn't make sense to me. Yeah I never actually looked into it and just took it as it is, simply for plain logical reasons. Enlighten me! (wrecking shot hits pun doing c damage) That pun!!! Yes, you are correct, Sol is the name of the Star which we orbit and Solar was derived from that name. But you have to remember that Sol was named in Latin way back when Ptolemaic theory was widely accepted. (Ptolemy's model being the sun at the centre followed by the spheres of the planets and then the sphere of the fixed stars). Copernicus came in during the 1500's (if I remember correctly) and his theory paved the way for the modern, accepted model of The Solar System, believed to be the only Solar System at the time, we knew at this point there were other Stars and such, but didn't know that they were in orbits in systems much like our own. I'm not going to get into it as I am on my phone at the moment, but long story short, The Solar System is our Solar System, where A Solar System is used to describe a system that has a model similar to ours. Star Systems are simply systems that only have Stars in them, no other non-steller matter such as planets and satellites and there would be no belts either. Hope that helps Edit: To be fair, you didn't need the history lesson, but it's sort of relevant and I rambled on haha Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4799	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:51:00 - [33] - Quote Interesting game. Love the UI. 200 Billion systems - do they use gates? If there are no gates, then that's good. A day will come when reliance on gates for "little guys" will have to be removed from this game as a means of retaining subs. When it's "in game XYZ we can go out there, play cat and mouse with another gang, kill and get killed, and have fun but in Eve it's all OMGWTF bubble camps, getting blops dropped, and only big wheels having freedom to move ridiculous resources instantly. I'm done here. " Then we will see system-to-system warp. I would rather see this game improve than go elsewhere for some more interesting content. Don't believe me? Heck next we might have bubble-immune frigates or something. Oh wait... Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4799	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:53:00 - [34] - Quote Bael Malefic wrote: What if exploration in EVE included something to explore...what a thought! Careful there, buddy. You are expecting too much. You are not supposed to explore around here. You are expected to march to the nearest gate camp so someone does not feel bad about their stats. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation 439	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:55:00 - [35] - Quote There already are billions of billions of star systems in the New Eden Galaxy. What there aren't is billions of billions of binary star systems we can use stargates with. SJD I invented Tiericide
G'rudge University of Caille Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2014.04.22 20:05:00 - [36] - Quote Bael Malefic wrote: What if exploration in EVE included something to explore...what a thought! Exactly. .
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 690	Posted - 2014.04.22 20:51:00 - [37] - Quote Seraph Essael wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Seraph Essael wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Thank you for properly calling them "star systems" and not "solar systems", like even CCP is doing wrongly. Not gonna get into an argument with you, I think you're rather funny on these here forums and what not but; 'Solar System' or 'Planetary System' is the correct terminology to use when the system has non-steller objects in orbit as well as Steller... A 'Star System' or 'Steller System' has only steller orbitals. For example, a star orbiting another star... Thanks for not dismissing me as a stupid troll. Shows you can put thought into something. I can agree on "planetary systems", but don't understand why it could be called "solar". Sol is the name of our star and the solar system therefore is the system of Sol. So why would other systems be ever called solar systems when their stars definitely aren't Sol? That doesn't make sense to me. Yeah I never actually looked into it and just took it as it is, simply for plain logical reasons. Enlighten me! (wrecking shot hits pun doing c damage) That pun!!! Yes, you are correct, Sol is the name of the Star which we orbit and Solar was derived from that name. But you have to remember that Sol was named in Latin way back when Ptolemaic theory was widely accepted. (Ptolemy's model being the sun at the centre followed by the spheres of the planets and then the sphere of the fixed stars). Copernicus came in during the 1500's (if I remember correctly) and his theory paved the way for the modern, accepted model of The Solar System, believed to be the only Solar System at the time, we knew at this point there were other Stars and such, but didn't know that they were in orbits in systems much like our own. I'm not going to get into it as I am on my phone at the moment, but long story short, The Solar System is our Solar System, where A Solar System is used to describe a system that has a model similar to ours. Star Systems are simply systems that only have Stars in them, no other non-steller matter such as planets and satellites and there would be no belts either. Hope that helps Edit: To be fair, you didn't need the history lesson, but it's sort of relevant and I rambled on haha You, sir, just won a dozen internets! Thanks! :D "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 422	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:23:00 - [38] - Quote Cpt Swagg wrote: I think it would be awesome to spend days and days if not weeks and weeks if not months without seeing anyone. 500k players you say? Divide that by 200 billion, then count how many jumps would we be apart from each other if every single one of us was alone in 1 system. Which is why it would never happen. Not enough reason to PvP. I'm waiting for CCP to start REMOVING star-systems to force players to fight for ever dwindling resources, until the last guy with a non-noobship is swarmed under by noobships, and the server closes. Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all.
Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 583	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:49:00 - [39] - Quote you know it's not such a bad idea. You need ships and equipment, or cash, so you need to meet and trade with other players. People will naturally congregate together, as they do in Jita. Those who go far, far out still need to return every now and then with their loot. There's a natural limit on how much they can carry and therefore how often they need to do this. There's also a natural limit on range, therefore, because if you fly out for a month it's going to take you a risky month to return. Coveted systems would be those at the optimal range from the main hubs, and these would be the most fought over. From a gameplay point of view procedurally generated systems tend to be different in the same way though, that is to say, they're all more or less the same. So I'm not sure saying there are 1,000,000 systems is any more impressive than 2 billion.
Webvan State Protectorate Caldari State 1658	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:55:00 - [40] - Quote G'rudge wrote: I know comparing this game to EvE is like comparing a stick figure to the Mona Lisa, but jeez if they can do it why cant WE? It's the fault of the Jove for not being conquered by the Amarr thus resulting in the current slow expansionism of the empire and new gates. You went to Gallente public school, didn't you?
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1316	Posted - 2014.04.22 22:02:00 - [41] - Quote Bael Malefic wrote: What if exploration in EVE included something to explore...what a thought! You mean, like it used to, before the arrival of easy mode scanning. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4801	Posted - 2014.04.22 22:08:00 - [42] - Quote If New Eden was big enough that it was possible to go for extremely long lengths of time without seeing anybody else, imagine then how rounded the game becomes. Yeah I know "Hurf blurf! It's a PVP game hurf blurf!!!!" And so what. That we have to traverse a fatal funnel to get anywhere is un-sandbox. If this very game were to also take on such vast expanses of explorable space with the existing elements of interaction, it would simply be epic. It would be a challenge in itself to see how far you can go. I know "but... but... you are attacking my sensibilities!! NULLSEC IS EMPTY!!!" And why is that? Gates, bubbles, and instalock seboed inties. That's why. Add to the fact that only the blue donut alliance has the resources to move planets worth of mass in seconds and things don't improve (so I don't want to hear an opinion from the narrow perspective of some cap pilot). Enable ships to dial in system to system warp or traverse space in such manner that is done in Star Wars or Star Trek, and you won't need 2 billion systems. Just look at what people are doing with bubble-immune interceptors. Were they made bubble immune to better catch players? Hogwash. That would have been valid before Warp-to-zero. No. It's a test, to see if bubble blobbing/camping is what makes nullsec what it is today. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Bael Malefic Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2014.04.23 08:57:00 - [43] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: If New Eden was big enough that it was possible to go for extremely long lengths of time without seeing anybody else, imagine then how rounded the game becomes. Yeah I know "Hurf blurf! It's a PVP game hurf blurf!!!!" And so what. That we have to traverse a fatal funnel to get anywhere is un-sandbox. If this very game were to also take on such vast expanses of explorable space with the existing elements of interaction, it would simply be epic. It would be a challenge in itself to see how far you can go. I know "but... but... you are attacking my sensibilities!! NULLSEC IS EMPTY!!!" And why is that? Gates, bubbles, and instalock seboed inties. That's why. Add to the fact that only the blue donut alliance has the resources to move planets worth of mass in seconds and things don't improve (so I don't want to hear an opinion from the narrow perspective of some cap pilot). Enable ships to dial in system to system warp or traverse space in such manner that is done in Star Wars or Star Trek, and you won't need 2 billion systems. Just look at what people are doing with bubble-immune interceptors. Were they made bubble immune to better catch players? Hogwash. That would have been valid before Warp-to-zero. No. It's a test, to see if bubble blobbing/camping is what makes nullsec what it is today. Sad but true. Exploration in EVE today = provision of cannon fodder for the nullsec cartel gate campers. I am all for risk but there's really no point to exploration at all. There is nothing out there but more of the same.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1588	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:12:00 - [44] - Quote Gates are basically choke points to force people to meet. Getting rid of gates and allowing us to dial specific celestials in system directly would remove those "interaction" points so on one hand "no more sto0pid campers" but on the other no more control over "your" place. Some other ways of tracking opponents would have to be introduced, maybe warp to d-scan ping? This way you could spread your inties in system and have coverage to quickly get tackle on intruders? That would create some strategy thinking and definitely be more interesting to both parties involved in "gate related events" today. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 628	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:20:00 - [45] - Quote G'rudge wrote: How come EvE can't have 200 BILLION Complete star systems to explore like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/WebGames/comments/20xarh/ascent_the_space_game_a_browser_based_space/ I know comparing this game to EvE is like comparing a stick figure to the Mona Lisa, but jeez if they can do it why cant WE? Woah, did those devs also invent a time machine and bring back a game from the 1990's? BOOM! Forums are playing EVE too. Fact.
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 3294	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:22:00 - [46] - Quote 200b is just a headline number to make dumbasses salivate. It's like how starbound has like 400b planets and such. It's all just procedural generation with each being a variant of a theme, with the systems not actually existing until somebody vistis them. If CCP added procedurally generated solar systems, sure, there would be a large number, far more than anyone could ever visit if they wanted, but they would all be much of a muchness, it would just spread the population out so much that people would rarely meet. What they currently have, which is a fixed number of static systems makes for far more exciting gameplay than "look how many systems can theoretically be generated by our random number generator". The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
The Intermediary Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:26:00 - [47] - Quote G'rudge wrote: How come EvE can't have 200 BILLION Complete star systems to explore like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/WebGames/comments/20xarh/ascent_the_space_game_a_browser_based_space/ I know comparing this game to EvE is like comparing a stick figure to the Mona Lisa, but jeez if they can do it why cant WE? Fun facts: New Eden has about 7,699 accessible systems. (Wormhole systems included, dev space excluded.) Lets say that Jita has a permanent population of 2,000 players, and that 50,000 characters are connected at peak hour.. This leaves 7,698 systems with only 6.2 characters in local, if distributed evenly. Since there are plenty of systems with 10+ characters in local it's a fair to assume that a thousand systems or more are completely empty. This is why I find it astonishing that people want more space when there's plenty of unused areas out there. If EVE had 200 billion solar systems, most of them would still be a one horse town or gathering dust.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 984	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:37:00 - [48] - Quote Forum Clone 77777 wrote: Not only would 99% of them always be empty, completely waste of space, they could also possibly make travel times far greater, unless theres "super highway stargates" connectiong a crapton of systems, and if that was gonna happen, we'd have systems with a stupidly high amount of stargates. Otherwise, youl have weeks worth of travel time to go from one end of the game universe to the other. All True. If there were super highway stargates and 200 billion systems... I guess in that case You'd just enter your target destination into the super highway stargete to get where you want to get. No fleet would ever completely arrive in the same system at the same time, Having a "Fleet Jump" option would become a priority, FC's could get hanged (literally) for dialing the wrong system. One typo and you get shot into a star system you don't know and suddenly your only option is to either suicide or to slowboat 100 million jumps back to your home system.... On that point You could also introduce reactor fuel as an energy source. Fun for the whole family, for entire generations of it. EDIT: Also, it says the possibility of 200 Billion Star systems. Many of which will be so much alike that you wouldn't even be able to tell them apart. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 984	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:40:00 - [49] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Bael Malefic wrote: What if exploration in EVE included something to explore...what a thought! You mean, like it used to, before the arrival of easy mode scanning. Scanning always felt easy, It was just really tedious. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1588	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:55:00 - [50] - Quote Debora Tsung wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Bael Malefic wrote: What if exploration in EVE included something to explore...what a thought! You mean, like it used to, before the arrival of easy mode scanning. Scanning always felt easy, It was just really tedious. Scanning UI is now great, most common action is most easily accessible, I see no problem with good UI design (which in Eve means a lot). Same thing applies here as in industry UI: you should be better in your trade/activity not because you master counter-intuitive UI but because you know more about your trade/activity. UI of chess is very simple (take piece from one square, put on another) and yet not everybody can play it even at basic level. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
KnowUsByTheDead Sunlight...Through The Blight. 1685	Posted - 2014.04.23 13:30:00 - [51] - Quote Way more room than is necessary. Waste of resources. Have a good day. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 1280	Posted - 2014.04.23 13:56:00 - [52] - Quote whilst it's nice in theory, I also doubt it would be very practical 500k players does not mean active players, that's generally 30k-50k people eve just doesn't have the numbers to warrant that number of systems
Dragon Outlaw Rogue Fleet 184	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:41:00 - [53] - Quote Would be fun to see CCP add one or two thousand systems to the map. This would be a good step to help New Eden feel closer to what a Galaxy should feel.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 738	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:43:00 - [54] - Quote Dragon Outlaw wrote: Would be fun to see CCP add one or two thousand systems to the map. This would be a good step to help New Eden feel closer to what a Galaxy should feel. Please tell us how a galaxy should feel like, because you are obviously the only one who knows. "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
Dragon Outlaw Rogue Fleet 184	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:50:00 - [55] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Dragon Outlaw wrote: Would be fun to see CCP add one or two thousand systems to the map. This would be a good step to help New Eden feel closer to what a Galaxy should feel. Please tell us how a galaxy should feel like, because you are obviously the only one who knows. You should work on your trolling. My 12 year old can do much better!
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1599	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:53:00 - [56] - Quote So go play with your 12 year old instead of arguing spaceships with us. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
brutalbutneutral Prepare To Meet Thy Doom 14	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:10:00 - [57] - Quote maybe already mentioned but ccp is going to implement gate building. Where would those gate lead to? Maybe (:tinfoilhat: on) to random generated solar systems? This is what true exploration would be like imho.
G'rudge University of Caille Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:41:00 - [58] - Quote brutalbutneutral wrote: maybe already mentioned but ccp is going to implement gate building. Where would those gate lead to? Maybe (:tinfoilhat: on) to random generated solar systems? This is what true exploration would be like imho. We can hope.... .
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 773	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:47:00 - [59] - Quote Dragon Outlaw wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Dragon Outlaw wrote: Would be fun to see CCP add one or two thousand systems to the map. This would be a good step to help New Eden feel closer to what a Galaxy should feel. Please tell us how a galaxy should feel like, because you are obviously the only one who knows. You should work on your trolling. My 12 year old can do much better! That's not really a smart way to avoid my query. You indirectly claim to know what "a galaxy should feel" and I ignore that you lost a word there. Still, as you seem to know, you should tell. It's not trolling when someone calls you out and calling someone a troll for that rather makes you look like one. So, please, do tell. "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 572	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:37:00 - [60] - Quote G'rudge wrote: How come EvE can't have 200 BILLION Complete star systems to explore like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/WebGames/comments/20xarh/ascent_the_space_game_a_browser_based_space/ I know comparing this game to EvE is like comparing a stick figure to the Mona Lisa, but jeez if they can do it why cant WE? You can't be serious... Do you know how long it would take one person to count out loud to one billion? If you counted one number per second to a billion it would take you 31 years, 251 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 39 seconds.. now multiply this by 200. ...more than 6300 years. Think about how much time must be spent on creating each system... even if the only thing that need be done is naming the system. I, for one, don't like the idea of random systems that have no history and no persistence. Do I want more systems and bigger space.. sure. but I am not going to be unhappy if we never get "200 billion" systems to explore. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]

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