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CYVOK	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:08:00 - [1] Over the past 10 days ASCN has waged, what became, a rather one sided battle against Tribal Souls Alliance in Paragon Soul. With the final destruction of the last Tribe Star-Base a few days ago and the deployment of ASCN Star-Bases all systems in Paragon are now firmly in the hands of ASCN & AXE forces. This link will lead you to a folder which contains several convoÆs with tribe members and some cool screenies for your amusement. Now on to the really crappy detailsà Tribal Souls members that wish to leave Paragon Soul in peace with all their worldly possessions intact will NOT be allowed to do so. Thanks to all the communications about how you guys are going to hire mercÆs, regroup in Stain Proper & NAP SE/IRON as well as other ASCN enemies. I could not in good conscience allow you to leave the region with all your stuff just so you can mount a better counter attack sometime down the road. If you wanted to keep the region you should have at least tried to fight for it in the first place. That at least would haev earned you a great deal of respect. So here is your deal, SELL EVERYTHING YOU OWN at ROCK bottom prices on the Paragon market and clone jump back to Empire because in 7 days you will loose 100% of your access to the Regions Stations. If you have any hope of getting some ISK in your pocket, sell NOW. Tribe members in Frigates/captors will be allowed to leave in peace (I do not promise you wonÆt get fired on, but we will try our best). Tribe members discovered in bigger ships, especially haulers and Freighters will be immediately destroyed. Tribe members that have been granted the chance of join ASCN Corps ARE NOT to undock Freighters in Paragon Soul at this time. I wasnÆt born yesterday, I know many of you that have been offered a place in ASCN will simply try to use that membership as a way to safely bail out of the Region. Additionally, if you are caught in a hauler heading for Stain or Catch you will be destroyed. I am sorry I could not be more compassionate. I have no grudge or dislike for any current or former members of Tribe. Unfortunately you are meeting me at a point in EvE after which I have been thought some hard lessons, such as letting a potential enemy go peacefully with all their resources intact. -CYVOK-
Kirex	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Kirex on 17/05/2006 02:11:28 ;o edit:....FIRST! :D! ---------- Need help with dealing with those annoying carebears?!
Amthrianius	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:12:00 - [3] You need more Naglfar's tbh ---------------
Naverin	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:12:00 - [4] Shame you completly missed the veldspar as i jump drived it to safety...
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:13:00 - [5] Sounds fun. Hope the veldspar will sleep peacefully under ASCN === God is on the side with the best artillery.
Cattraknoff	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:15:00 - [6] sweet, we got our veldspar back now we can all mine in peace
David Corbett	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:19:00 - [7] Edited by: David Corbett on 17/05/2006 02:23:57 Alright then! That was fun.
INZi	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:26:00 - [8] nice one axe&ascn. well done everyone and ts, thank you for watching
Xianthar	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:37:00 - [9] Respect to those in TS that fought. To those who were commiting massive insurance fraud...you'll be remembered -xian
Cattraknoff	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Xianthar Respect to those in TS that fought. To those who were commiting massive insurance fraud...you'll be remembered -xian QFT
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:52:00 - [11] at offer to offline POS. I'd like to say that I was really shocked by that, but sadly I doubt it comes as a suprise to anyone that has dealt with them since Abs left. Cowards. ********** > really getting tired of internal BS and bickering Amazing that people would comment on internal BS, in the same breath as offering to sabotage there alliances last defence, and STILL not understand where those internal problems originated.
Cattraknoff	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Ab Initio at offer to offline POS. I'd like to say that I was really shocked by that, but sadly I doubt it comes as a suprise to anyone that has dealt with them since Abs left. Cowards. ******** > really getting tired of internal BS and bickering Amazing that people would comment on internal BS, in the same breath as offering to sabotage there alliances last defence, and STILL not understand where those internal problems originated. although i wasn't overly shocked that some offered this, it still **es me off that people will screw over their entire alliance just to save a few of their iskies (which hopefully they'll lose all of it now)
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:00:00 - [13] Good LORD! Offering to turn off soveriegnty in exchange for a "deal" to remain in the region!?! Pathetic. If there is ever an EVE dictionary, this should be a good definition for "alliance betrayal" If I were a member of this corp, I would leave immmediately before some of that disgrace rubbed off on me.
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:07:00 - [14] as it was in ec-p8r so shall it be in Paragon Soul...I missed anything interesting. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Gonz0	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:12:00 - [15] Edited by: Gonz0 on 17/05/2006 03:13:19
VladImpaler	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:13:00 - [16] Only thing I would have done different is NOT censored the names involved in those shady convos. Open communications and all that...those people are no better than corp thieves.
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:17:00 - [17] Originally by: VladImpaler Only thing I would have done different is NOT censored the names involved in those shady convos. Open communications and all that...those people are no better than corp thieves. In the eyes of many, thatd be seen as lowering himself to their standards. Always better to talk with actions than cut and pasted convos. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
Zimi Vlasic	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:21:00 - [18] a corp really offered to offline POSes to save their own skin? Wow. They deserve what they're getting.
Jim BobbyJoe	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:26:00 - [19] FYI that was WhiteKnight who had the dread BPO's and made the offer to offline POS's.
Lorth	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:27:00 - [20] Wow that was a very very sad show. As a matter of fact I can't honestly think of a worse showing by an allience, ever, even NSA could have pwned you guys. to the few who fought, good for you, I hoep eve works out for the best. To the rest, well I hope this has cost you each billions of isk. Though thats not punishment enough for a good-for-nothing, whinny freeloader. I've seen enough of these to have no respect for them at all.
Sharmina	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:30:00 - [21] Wow, I am impressed. Karma in all it's glory. This Alliance was doomed from the moment Abriana resigned. Even though ANZAC Alliance has dusted itself off and moved on to greener pastures, I cannot help but smile that certain smile that says "what goes around, comes around", yes, now I'm satisfied. Revenge is a dish best served cold The iron fist in a velvet glove R
Bedrock	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:31:00 - [22] Originally by: VladImpaler Only thing I would have done different is NOT censored the names involved in those shady convos. Open communications and all that...those people are no better than corp thieves. omg i agree with an alt! ------------------ Frustrated:
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:33:00 - [23] Sweet tribal always had bubbles, but ascn has tons of more noobs and fights with shear numbers or does not fight at all so we can go staight from ganking delve noobs to period basis noobs to paragon/feth/eso noobs without ever having to go more than 10 jumps at a time. Today is a good day for the l33t looting corps in eve.
CYVOK	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:37:00 - [24] Edited by: CYVOK on 17/05/2006 03:38:55 Originally by: Jim BobbyJoe FYI that was WhiteKnight who had the dread BPO's and made the offer to offline POS's. Actually it wasn't... and thier were 4 offers to do this from 4 differant players in 3 differant Corps. I deleted the names for a reason, I don't believe in dragging EvE players through the mud, please respect that. -CYVOK-
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:44:00 - [25] Quote: Tribal Souls members that wish to leave Paragon Soul in peace with all their worldly possessions intact will NOT be allowed to do so To be honest thatÆs just mean, like a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. But I can kind of see where itÆs coming from, not wanting to help re-arm your enemies and all. But there are plenty of people not planning on returning to Paragon or any region in 00, to make them sell there stuff off at "rock bottom prices" is overkill. Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. On a side note I think it would have been better to name the persons in those convoÆs especially the ass hat who wanted to offline a POS. What hell we were going to lose anyway. Why the need to stick it to us even harder. Frankly I can easily see why we lost the area. The alliance as a whole acted like morons. Trying to take space from an alliance 4 times your size. Turning on allies at the drop of a hat, or in this case when it seemed like there was a bigger safer dress for which we could hide under. And before some one post, with the statement where were you, how many ships did you lose in the fight. I can happily say I lost 2 or 3, and only one was a BS, I killed no one, when I would log in at night all that was basically happening is everyone was either staying docked or running up to stain. Kudos to those who did fight, you went against all odds and in the true fashion of going against all odds you lost. Nothing to be ashamed of, itÆs a game, IÆm sure you had fun. I did like seeing stonyvisions email about merging into some alliance up north, took seven days for him to be ready to merge into another alliance, a whole week, wow way to stick it out. I guess whatever merger that was offered by ASCN months before wasn't good enough, but now that thereÆs nothing left off you go, you and your "diplomatö good work fearless leader. ItÆs a shame that allot of the blame is placed on STC; there are other corps in the alliance as well. Though again from reading post and other things it looks like a good bit of that is deserved. Pushing out PVP people. Fostering a carebear attitude in an area where we were out numbered on all sides by potential enemies. And hey I'm one of the worst offenders, I ratted most my time down there. Only taking place in a few pvp opps. So shame on me as well. In the end tribal souls I think has the legacy of what not to do when trying to form an alliance and hold space in the wonderful game of EVE IÆm happy I can take away allot from living in 0,0 I went down there with less than 3 mill sp and left with just over 10. Learned allot about EVE and through those ten months I can see once constant force in this game. Nothing last forever. Stain empire fell, stain alliance fell, tribes fell (quickly) ASCN will fall, even BoB will fall. (Look I mentioned BoB first I want a prize) Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:47:00 - [26] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 17/05/2006 03:38:55 Originally by: Jim BobbyJoe FYI that was WhiteKnight who had the dread BPO's and made the offer to offline POS's. Actually it wasn't... and thier were 4 offers to do this from 4 differant players in 3 differant Corps. I deleted the names for a reason, I don't believe in dragging EvE players through the mud, please respect that. -CYVOK- Dragging them through the mud? can I ask if any of the people you talk to apply to be members of any of the POS holding corps in ASCN will you approve of there membership. Your not dragging them through the mud, your saving others from there future betrayal Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
David Corbett	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Fraps Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. This is not quite true. When the decision was made to persecute a war against Tribal Souls, twenty four hours of notice was given. That's up on the forums somewhere if I recall correctly. This is plenty of time to remove equipment/etc. Admittedly it didn't last the full day; however, this was only because some Tribal Souls members evidently chose to use that time to attack ASCN. Therefore your claim is untrue. Your suggestion that CYVOK is some sort of insane cruel individual is also completely untrue.
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Fraps on 17/05/2006 04:01:27 Originally by: David Corbett Originally by: Fraps Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. This is not quite true. When the decision was made to persecute a war against Tribal Souls, twenty four hours of notice was given. That's up on the forums somewhere if I recall correctly. This is plenty of time to remove equipment/etc. Admittedly it didn't last the full day; however, this was only because some Tribal Souls members evidently chose to use that time to attack ASCN. Therefore your claim is untrue. Your suggestion that CYVOK is some sort of insane cruel individual is also completely untrue. I suggest he has some sort of fun by holding peoples assest hostage and offering a cheesy sell at rock bottm prices answer. its a game, there's no need to be an ass. as for moving stuff out in 24 hours, thats BS I doubt anyone could move all of there stuff through hostile space in thattime span while also attending to whatever RL obligations they have. christ I must have 5 haulers worth of **. so im to what call in sick? hey boss, i can't come to work today somebody is giving me a deadline to get my stuff outa paragon soul.... wheres paragon soul you ask? well its in this game I play called eve... im fired? but why? and as for breaking the agreement it was said that you guys were moving assest into what was then our space, how can we not see that as a first strike? eddit for some spelling. Originally by:** Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Xianthar	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Fraps Edited by: Fraps on 17/05/2006 04:06:15 Edited by: Fraps on 17/05/2006 04:01:27 Originally by: David Corbett Originally by: Fraps Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. This is not quite true. When the decision was made to persecute a war against Tribal Souls, twenty four hours of notice was given. That's up on the forums somewhere if I recall correctly. This is plenty of time to remove equipment/etc. Admittedly it didn't last the full day; however, this was only because some Tribal Souls members evidently chose to use that time to attack ASCN. Therefore your claim is untrue. Your suggestion that CYVOK is some sort of insane cruel individual is also completely untrue. I suggest he has some sort of fun by holding peoples assets hostage and offering a cheesy sell at rock bottom prices answer. ItÆs a game, there's no need to be an ass. as for moving stuff out in 24 hours, thatÆs BS I doubt anyone could move all of there stuff through hostile space in that time span while also attending to whatever RL obligations they have. Christ I must have 5 haulers worth of ****. So IÆm to what? Call in sick? Hey boss, I can't come to work today somebody is giving me a deadline to get my stuff out of paragon soul.... whereÆs paragon soul you ask? Well itÆs in this game I play called eve... IÆm fired? But why? And as for breaking the agreement it was said that you guys were moving assets into what was then our space, how can we not see that as a first strike? Edited for some spelling. there is a reason that a warning dialog box pops up when you move a clone to a conquerable station....its conquerable...most people would consider taking actions to protect themselves and their assets in such a location...your alliance did not...and that is your fault and no one elses. -xian
Dynast	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Fraps I suggest he has some sort of fun by holding peoples assets hostage and offering a cheesy sell at rock bottom prices answer. ItÆs a game, there's no need to be an ass. as for moving stuff out in 24 hours, thatÆs BS I doubt anyone could move all of there stuff through hostile space in that time span while also attending to whatever RL obligations they have. Christ I must have 5 haulers worth of ****. So IÆm to what? Call in sick? Hey boss, I can't come to work today somebody is giving me a deadline to get my stuff out of paragon soul.... whereÆs paragon soul you ask? Well itÆs in this game I play called eve... IÆm fired? But why? And as for breaking the agreement it was said that you guys were moving assets into what was then our space, how can we not see that as a first strike? I don't understand why you feel entitled to be granted safe passage from the area. It seems to me that this isn't a matter of Tribal Souls assets being held hostage, but rather being taken as spoils of war. And its not as if TS has done anything to inspire ASCN and AXE to be magnanimous conquorers.
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:15:00 - [31] I think I admited that in my original post, even going as afar as to say that Tribal souls is a good example of what not to do. but hey thanks for pointing that out again, im sure you won't be the last. Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:25:00 - [32] if they could be taken as spoils then that would be great. but at best you pay a low price for them and at worst they sit in a station for all time or atleast until another alliance takes them and then maybe they are friendly and you retrieve your goods. personaly im not out much maybe 250million in goods and ships. im sure most people waste that much on bookmarks. but im sure there are others out much more, and if all they did wrong was follow there leaders then I think they may deserve the opertunity to retieve there stuff. again its a game, people are here to have fun. lossing all your stuff is no fun. it's like kicking a guy in the nuts after you knocked him on his ass but who are you and why are you posting? i see no corp tag in your name that suggest you are involved somehow? Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Trinity Faetal	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:25:00 - [33] turncoat ****s . are you going after POS or LV this time , which one is weaker ?
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:27:00 - [34] One down, Eight to go. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Josiah Bartlet	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Fraps If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. That will help with the bitterness you are suffering from. --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR
djNME	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Fraps Quote: Tribal Souls members that wish to leave Paragon Soul in peace with all their worldly possessions intact will NOT be allowed to do so To be honest thatÆs just mean, like a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. But I can kind of see where itÆs coming from, not wanting to help re-arm your enemies and all. But there are plenty of people not planning on returning to Paragon or any region in 00, to make them sell there stuff off at "rock bottom prices" is overkill. Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. On a side note I think it would have been better to name the persons in those convoÆs especially the ass hat who wanted to offline a POS. What hell we were going to lose anyway. Why the need to stick it to us even harder. Frankly I can easily see why we lost the area. The alliance as a whole acted like morons. Trying to take space from an alliance 4 times your size. Turning on allies at the drop of a hat, or in this case when it seemed like there was a bigger safer dress for which we could hide under. And before some one post, with the statement where were you, how many ships did you lose in the fight. I can happily say I lost 2 or 3, and only one was a BS, I killed no one, when I would log in at night all that was basically happening is everyone was either staying docked or running up to stain. Kudos to those who did fight, you went against all odds and in the true fashion of going against all odds you lost. Nothing to be ashamed of, itÆs a game, IÆm sure you had fun. I did like seeing stonyvisions email about merging into some alliance up north, took seven days for him to be ready to merge into another alliance, a whole week, wow way to stick it out. I guess whatever merger that was offered by ASCN months before wasn't good enough, but now that thereÆs nothing left off you go, you and your "diplomatö good work fearless leader. ItÆs a shame that allot of the blame is placed on STC; there are other corps in the alliance as well. Though again from reading post and other things it looks like a good bit of that is deserved. Pushing out PVP people. Fostering a carebear attitude in an area where we were out numbered on all sides by potential enemies. And hey I'm one of the worst offenders, I ratted most my time down there. Only taking place in a few pvp opps. So shame on me as well. In the end tribal souls I think has the legacy of what not to do when trying to form an alliance and hold space in the wonderful game of EVE IÆm happy I can take away allot from living in 0,0 I went down there with less than 3 mill sp and left with just over 10. Learned allot about EVE and through those ten months I can see once constant force in this game. Nothing last forever. Stain empire fell, stain alliance fell, tribes fell (quickly) ASCN will fall, even BoB will fall. (Look I mentioned BoB first I want a prize)
Gonz0	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Fraps if they could be taken as spoils then that would be great. but at best you pay a low price for them and at worst they sit in a station for all time or atleast until another alliance takes them and then maybe they are friendly and you retrieve your goods. personaly im not out much maybe 250million in goods and ships. im sure most people waste that much on bookmarks. but im sure there are others out much more, and if all they did wrong was follow there leaders then I think they may deserve the opertunity to retieve there stuff. again its a game, people are here to have fun. lossing all your stuff is no fun. it's like kicking a guy in the nuts after you knocked him on his ass but who are you and why are you posting? i see no corp tag in your name that suggest you are involved somehow? Yeah, tbh, I feel guilty about the way that all went down. It was really messed up. I'll give ya like 75 mil for all your stuff...
MIGHTYDWC	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:48:00 - [38] Edited by: MIGHTYDWC on 17/05/2006 04:48:44 Originally by: Fraps Quote: Tribal Souls members that wish to leave Paragon Soul in peace with all their worldly possessions intact will NOT be allowed to do so To be honest thatÆs just mean, like a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. But I can kind of see where itÆs coming from, not wanting to help re-arm your enemies and all. But there are plenty of people not planning on returning to Paragon or any region in 00, to make them sell there stuff off at "rock bottom prices" is overkill. Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. OK, when you say "a game for god sake", you hit the nail right on the head. This IS a game. A game is designed to be played to win, using every means possible that the game provides for you to do so. The only limitation to that premise in EVE is a players ability to play the game, and the EULA set forth by CCP. With that being said, to belittle, chastise, even question someone's character OUTSIDE the game, because of the way that person plays the game, INSIDE the game, in a INGAME forum area is total bulls#%t. Be it me in your shoes, yes I would be sore, but I surely wouldn't flame someone's RL because I got my butt kicked INGAME. I would lick my wounds, move on, and learn from it. TBH, I don't know what's worse, being told to catch aids and die over 30 times in local by someone I killed 5 months ago(or was it 45, I need to check my logs)your attack on CYVOK's RL, or the TS guy that agro'ed my T2 transport with minning drones Sunday night in 0-N. /me flips a double headed quarter. Favorite saying on TS: This "phoon of Doom" is very easy to kill things with. They die very fast. <---JaegerX
Red Six	Posted - 2006.05.17 04:50:00 - [39] Be lucky it wasn't me, your terms would have been worse. Karma just got a nice downpayment if you ask me.
Gungankllr	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:02:00 - [40] Edited by: Gungankllr on 17/05/2006 05:02:47 For those Tribal Souls people with assets in Paragon, I'd advise you to make cheap (but reasonable) sell orders for 3 months. You might not make a profit, but at least you won't lose as much. The alternative is your belongings sit in a station which you most likely will never have access to again. Argue all you want, but the deadline is approaching. If you can't resolve your assets by then, the fault is your own. (Not that anyone is finger pointing that you could have used the 20+ hour notice to truck out the IMPORTANT stuff you had in PS.)
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:04:00 - [41] Was a pretty useless alliance..
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:06:00 - [42] Originally by: MIGHTYDWC Edited by: MIGHTYDWC on 17/05/2006 04:48:44 Originally by: Fraps Quote: Tribal Souls members that wish to leave Paragon Soul in peace with all their worldly possessions intact will NOT be allowed to do so To be honest thatÆs just mean, like a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. But I can kind of see where itÆs coming from, not wanting to help re-arm your enemies and all. But there are plenty of people not planning on returning to Paragon or any region in 00, to make them sell there stuff off at "rock bottom prices" is overkill. Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. OK, when you say "a game for god sake", you hit the nail right on the head. This IS a game. A game is designed to be played to win, using every means possible that the game provides for you to do so. The only limitation to that premise in EVE is a players ability to play the game, and the EULA set forth by CCP. With that being said, to belittle, chastise, even question someone's character OUTSIDE the game, because of the way that person plays the game, INSIDE the game, in a INGAME forum area is total bulls#%t. Be it me in your shoes, yes I would be sore, but I surely wouldn't flame someone's RL because I got my butt kicked INGAME. I would lick my wounds, move on, and learn from it. TBH, I don't know what's worse, being told to catch aids and die over 30 times in local by someone I killed 5 months ago(or was it 45, I need to check my logs)your attack on CYVOK's RL, or the TS guy that agro'ed my T2 transport with minning drones Sunday night in 0-N. /me flips a double headed quarter. I am simply saying he may have some sort of fun by wielding fictitious power over others in a game. And my statement to his character simply suggests he may be greedy. Do I know if he truly is or not? Nope. Do I care to know? Nope. Do I care to know people in real life who are? No again. I don't believe I have ever said anything to some one on the degree of wishing them a terminal illness in game or out. To do so is far below the level I have stooped and your comparison of my statement to those actions is frankly going overboard. I think you may also notice that the bulk of my post was aimed more towards tribal souls. And not at ASCN or CYVOK (why is his name all in caps?) days before this war, if you can call steamrolling an alliance a war, there were mails sent out saying we were gearing up to build more outposts and such. Now if an alliance was about to destroyed why would they tell there members to shift heavily into Care bear actions. Especially since IÆm sure that ASCN didn't wake up one day and say hey lets blow them up. IÆm sure it took time and prodding by Tribes to provoke them to this degree of action. And for that I have fully blamed tribes and myself for my own care bear ways. And I have yet to suggest that ASCN has broken any rule in the game or the EULA, they won fair and square, and thatÆs not going to prevent me from venting some frustration in regards to how it played out. Can I please have some water and a bit of lemon with that sugar? Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:17:00 - [43] Edited by: Plutoinum on 17/05/2006 05:18:11 Originally by: Fraps To be honest thatÆs just mean, like a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. But I can kind of see where itÆs coming from, not wanting to help re-arm your enemies and all. But there are plenty of people not planning on returning to Paragon or any region in 00, to make them sell there stuff off at "rock bottom prices" is overkill. Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. From what I've read your alliance deserves to lose their assets and space. People were about to betray their mates just to get a good deal for themselves. My sympathies are with CYVOK/ASCN. After all it turns out that attacking TS was the right thing. Originally by: Trinity Faetal turncoat ****s . are you going after POS or LV this time , which one is weaker ? Well, I don't know POS, but the majority of LV would never react like TS in case of a war. And that's why they deserve to be were they are. Big difference. P.S.: Can only speak for myself. I don't even know, how my alliances standings towards TS are, guess 0.0. After all I've read I hope they weren't blue.
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 17/05/2006 05:18:11 Originally by: Fraps To be honest thatÆs just mean, like a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. But I can kind of see where itÆs coming from, not wanting to help re-arm your enemies and all. But there are plenty of people not planning on returning to Paragon or any region in 00, to make them sell there stuff off at "rock bottom prices" is overkill. Those people may lose everything, you already took near 100billion in stations and POS's, do you need more? If that's the kind of person you are in a game, a game for god sake, I can't imagine what you are in RL, nor would I want to. From what I've read your alliance deserves to lose their assets and space. People were about to betray their mates just to get a good deal for themselves. My sympathies are with CYVOK/ASCN. After all it turns out that attacking TS was the right thing. Originally by: Trinity Faetal turncoat ***s . are you going after POS or LV this time , which one is weaker ? Well, I don't know POS, but the majority of LV would never react like TS in case of a war. And that's why they deserve to be were they are. Big difference. P.S.: Can only speak for myself. I don't even know, how my alliances standings towards TS are, guess 0.0. After all I've read I hope they weren't blue. POS rocks tho, they sell all sorts of skills down in 0 sec, Its the best thing ever! normally id have to clone jump to empire for a day just to grab one new skills, if we attack them i will be very sad :( doh, I broke my edited sig :/* cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
BlackSabbath	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:40:00 - [45] i ll be in PS checking market every few min ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Saran Tal	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:43:00 - [46] Sorry to Say i'm not one for politics... but i do ahve one last comment : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/The_Black_Knight/frig-vs-dreads.jpg i STILL reckon you guys didn't play fair you had drones.... Don John, Borarchio, Arturo Ui And Givola Are my Homeboys.
shivan	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:46:00 - [47] It's a shame that I have been on the recieving end of exactly the same thing that one of those corps offered to do to TS for ASCN. And it was from that exact same corp. Seems like a leoped can never change it's spots.
Touk	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:50:00 - [48] Edited by: Touk on 17/05/2006 05:51:54 dear god Frap's. you have no idea how a war is won do you? the fighting is only part of it...a major part granted but to completely destroy and defeat your enemy you must also de-moralise and incapacitate him. With this move ASCN ensure that you guys wont come bouncing back in a weeks time armed to the teeth and backed up by whoever you can find. i remember several free space alliance pilots asking the same requests of CHIMP when we took detorid and the answer was always the same even after they had abandoned RA. "Sod off" Letting an enemy be them defeated or active retrieve items, mins, bpo's and ships from captured stations is a stupid move and i personnaly would be quite disappointed if ASCN allowed you to do this. So good one ASCN, your decision is a sound and tactically just one. oh also, insulting someone very rarly makes them more likely to agree to your reqests. Learn that and life will be much more enjoyable for you im sure.
Metacannibal	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:52:00 - [49] good job everyone involved, props to miners with a big stick, the only people in ts that showed determination to fight instead of trying to secure their own assets. notable mention also to the people that engaged the sha-k assault in mp5, it was a decent way of collecting the insurance and i am sure you guys had fun during that hour of fighting. i am still amazed that the sha-k battlegroup did not suffer a single casualty in that engagement. apart from the fact that this campaign was very cheap and without any significant losses for sha-k, it does leave a bitter taste. i have never seen such cowardice in a friggin computergame over numbers, many tribesmen humiliated themselves beyond comprehension in pathetic attempts to save a few mil isk here and there. most of the incidents were unimaginable to me before this campaign, sadly, nothing would suprise me anymore now. i remember that we had one guy ratting in o-n while we were besieging mp5 next door, trying to squeeze out the last few iskies out of the region.
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 05:55:00 - [50] i have vented what i wanted to, and i feel a bit better, or maybe its just the beer. as i said its game and i am simply pointing out my frustrations. as for knoledge of war? i don't need any because its a game, i didn't know Sun Zue ( probably got that name wrong) was required reading for eve. Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Darpz	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:09:00 - [51] Originally by: Fraps Quote: stain alliance fell waves The only good fix is a DEAD fix
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Fraps Quote: stain alliance fell waves wave back you have to admit that map no longer shows that big blob of territory claimed by SA, frankly i still like you guys and your name and hope to one day see Stain alliance on the map again, and in control of everything from Catch to paragon soul Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Darpz	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:19:00 - [53] Originally by: Fraps Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Fraps Quote: stain alliance fell waves wave back you have to admit that map no longer shows that big blob of territory claimed by SA, frankly i still like you guys and your name and hope to one day see Stain alliance on the map again, and in control of everything from Catch to paragon soul the map isn't the most acurate thing in the world when your talking about NPC regions The only good fix is a DEAD fix
Rabbitgod	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:24:00 - [54] Good job all wish I could have logged on more to help. Then again that may have been like spitting in the ocian. To the TS member that put up a fight I look forward to being gang mates with you or blood rivals either way your the kind of people I enjoy playing this game with. To those that offered to off-line POSes I have a love hate for you guys. I hate you for being that dirty and ruthless I love eve for being that open ended and free to allow that kind of dirty deal. To those that rolled over and died with out a fight. Your not worth wrighting about. Honestly I saw this one coming. It was either gonna be BoB that did it or us. I'm glad it was us. No hard feeling all around tho I hope your all find a new place in EvE to call home and learn from this. So am I right in thinking victory party at SJ's place? How I mine 4 biomass?!!11one1eleven
Riddlock	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:26:00 - [55] My corp appologize for the TRIBE behaviour , we are ashamed to be at some point part of this alliance . good work ascn
Zuper Phrend	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:33:00 - [56] Wow, this is a perfect time to be a smuggler. "Retrieve" stuff from the region for ex-Tribal Souls people.
Amior	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:46:00 - [57] Edited by: Amior on 17/05/2006 06:48:41 Edited by: Amior on 17/05/2006 06:48:28 "I suggest he has some sort of fun by holding peoples assets hostage and offering a cheesy sell at rock bottom prices answer. ItÆs a game, there's no need to be an ass." ARGH! As I see it... were playing the game like we should. We are not being an "ass" we are reacting whats best for the alliance. Simple as that. You would done the same m8. I been killed with hardly any isk and pvp ships. But I still manage to follow my Leaders cause they know whats best for everyone and myself in order to keep us in the safe zone. I have losted more than what I gain. So cheer up! If you want it back so badly join ASCN now.. or AXE. Say your sorry, give a hug or two. But good job ASCN and AXE!
Adam Weishaupt	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:50:00 - [58] Nobody should be arguing about integrity, personal character, or whatever with regard to entire alliances. Just as Cyvok is probably a nice person, so are Tribe members. Call a spade a spade, sure, but casting all of us as some malign force is not only inaccurate, it's silly. As someone already mentioned, it's a game. Tribe lost this round. Some people fought hard (Riddlock's gang ftw, kicking them ftl), some people didn't. But trying to wrap all this as somehow "justified?" Karmaic retribution? Get over yourselves. There's no harm in playing hard, playing to win, but this isn't Desperate Housewives, it's EVE. That'd be real fun...Oooh, will Cyvok steal Naverin's veldspar? Or will the exotic dancer that tore the ANZAC leadership apart return from 'doing Delerik' to seduce the ASCN leader? And what does Molle think of Seleene's unwanted advances in the boardroom...and the bedroom?!!?! OMG!!!!111DID FIX STEAL THE JADE MONKEY AFTER DT?! TUNE IN NEXT WEEK.....yawn. It was justified by ASCN's superior numbers and TRIBE's inferior organization, not by a bunch of private conversations with the ASCN alliance leader. Which are now slightly less than private. Anyway, GF. And to whoever that Rook in MP5/LX5 was...I'll get you eventually.
Nahlexis	Posted - 2006.05.17 06:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Trinity Faetal turncoat ****s . are you going after POS or LV this time , which one is weaker ? We will see you soon. Stinky pirate. At least the guy from VHI is after the loot.
Fraps	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Amior Edited by: Amior on 17/05/2006 06:48:41 Edited by: Amior on 17/05/2006 06:48:28 "I suggest he has some sort of fun by holding peoples assets hostage and offering a cheesy sell at rock bottom prices answer. ItÆs a game, there's no need to be an ass." ARGH! As I see it... were playing the game like we should. We are not being an "ass" we are reacting whats best for the alliance. Simple as that. You would done the same m8. I been killed with hardly any isk and pvp ships. But I still manage to follow my Leaders cause they know whats best for everyone and myself in order to keep us in the safe zone. I have losted more than what I gain. So cheer up! If you want it back so badly join ASCN now.. or AXE. Say your sorry, give a hug or two. But good job ASCN and AXE! /hug though i think following our alliance leaders is part of what landed us here in the first place. i can however agree with the rest of your post. i still feel bad for people with billion(s) worth of items locked away in the cold depths of space. Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Marc deBourgogne	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:31:00 - [61] In short CYVOK : You should keep in mind that chances are high that the people that knew the less about what exactly was going on and what the chances were, are the ones you are hitting the most by not allowing to take away their assets. If....all this in the links is true I'm even more convinced you are hitting the wrong people.
Amior	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:37:00 - [62] Originally by: Fraps Originally by: Amior Edited by: Amior on 17/05/2006 06:48:41 Edited by: Amior on 17/05/2006 06:48:28 "I suggest he has some sort of fun by holding peoples assets hostage and offering a cheesy sell at rock bottom prices answer. ItÆs a game, there's no need to be an ass." ARGH! As I see it... were playing the game like we should. We are not being an "ass" we are reacting whats best for the alliance. Simple as that. You would done the same m8. I been killed with hardly any isk and pvp ships. But I still manage to follow my Leaders cause they know whats best for everyone and myself in order to keep us in the safe zone. I have losted more than what I gain. So cheer up! If you want it back so badly join ASCN now.. or AXE. Say your sorry, give a hug or two. But good job ASCN and AXE! /hug though i think following our alliance leaders is part of what landed us here in the first place. i can however agree with the rest of your post. i still feel bad for people with billion(s) worth of items locked away in the cold depths of space. /hugs back I think that your leaders need to pay for everyones loss. The only way if you guys want it back is gain trust from ASCN and join them like AXE is when they split up the alliance. Its like King Arthurs Round Table which wasn't round btw. Or, you can all merge to us and get your homeland back which it seem like you guy really wanted. Its kinda sad how alliance have to fall cause of one mistake or cause. But so far, ASCN has the leadership to gain. Specially how ASCN & AXE are growing alot. By all means, I am sorry for your loss and the others as well.
Amior	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Marc deBourgogne In short CYVOK : You should keep in mind that chances are high that the people that knew the less about what exactly was going on and what the chances were, are the ones you are hitting the most by not allowing to take away their assets. If....all this in the links is true I'm even more convinced you are hitting the wrong people. ^ Alt best to show your main my friend.
Marc deBourgogne	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:46:00 - [64] Originally by: Amior Originally by: Marc deBourgogne In short CYVOK : You should keep in mind that chances are high that the people that knew the less about what exactly was going on and what the chances were, are the ones you are hitting the most by not allowing to take away their assets. If....all this in the links is true I'm even more convinced you are hitting the wrong people. ^ Alt best to show your main my friend.
Logan Xerxes	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:47:00 - [65] I know that I fought for the alliance. As do a few ASCN "Mohammed Moa" "Car-bomb Caracal" "Mujahadeen Maller" All for the good of many!
PhalHell	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:48:00 - [66] Originally by: Amior Originally by: Marc deBourgogne In short CYVOK : You should keep in mind that chances are high that the people that knew the less about what exactly was going on and what the chances were, are the ones you are hitting the most by not allowing to take away their assets. If....all this in the links is true I'm even more convinced you are hitting the wrong people. ^ Alt best to show your main my friend. Its not deliberate, that character is default and I make that mistake more than once, here is my main. The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my corps, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.
Helen	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:49:00 - [67] I'd like to say that POS busting is dirty, boring work. Please don't make me shoot anymore for like a week or so. Grats to the guys that fought us on the battlefields of Paragon and to the ones that sat in station and never did anything. Also thx Saran Tal for the screenie I can see my name on it.
Freeman Lowell	Posted - 2006.05.17 07:52:00 - [68] One word to sum up the convo's - SAD. I remeber STC / TS being asked by ASCN to come help when G attacked and we came in force and fought, but those day have long gone. I had found memories of being down in STC and being the POS director and in those days only I and the CEO had the passwords, as some one turned off 2 POS's when G attacked (so wonder if the same person strikes again!!) But in 0.0 you need to keep strong or you will loose, This is my last post on the subject, so good by STC and Paragon Soul, The Lost son of Stuu - I will avenge the selling of my father to a slave worker! Long Live Dark Rising the outcasts of Paragon Souls
Myz Toyou	Posted - 2006.05.17 08:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Notleh Respect to Riddlock and the other warriors of Miners with a Big Stick. You fought well against overwhelming odds. word
Steel Rat	Posted - 2006.05.17 08:27:00 - [70] Rabble Rabble Rabble To the few TS AXE saw in battle, well done. To the rest of ya, I expected more. Steel Rat AXE Opressor
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.17 08:32:00 - [71] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 17/05/2006 03:38:55 Originally by: Jim BobbyJoe FYI that was WhiteKnight who had the dread BPO's and made the offer to offline POS's. Actually it wasn't... and thier were 4 offers to do this from 4 differant players in 3 differant Corps. I deleted the names for a reason, I don't believe in dragging EvE players through the mud, please respect that. -CYVOK- I hate to be a proponent of a stereotype...but stop being such a hobbit. Name and Shame. ~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.17 08:36:00 - [72] to the ones that resisted: \o\ respect to the ones that did crap about it: you guys own me 30 warp disruption spheres. thos things are freakin' expensive ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
neoz2000	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:28:00 - [73] Originally by: Logan Xerxes I know that I fought for the alliance. As do a few ASCN "Mohammed Moa" "Car-bomb Caracal" "Mujahadeen Maller" Logan, you fought until you had nothing to fight with. Great job buddy.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:34:00 - [74] I hope this is a lesson to anyone living in 0.0 ... make sure your leadership is working for you or you might lose billions in assets in few days without knowing why :\ I feel for the honest TS members that lost it all just to see their leaders undock in unfitted battleships to collect the insurance, and for the few that attempted to fight: respect, I hope eve has good things for you in future. - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Emeline Cabernet	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:44:00 - [75] hipp hipp hurra.. who started this war anyway? or what?
Pater Syntaxeos	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:46:00 - [76] Originally by: Steel Rat Rabble Rabble Rabble To the few TS AXE saw in battle, well done. To the rest of ya, I expected more. Steel Rat AXE Opressor It was bad. In the latter few days of the war, I was online and trying to do some damage with frigs. There was almost no coordination in the alliance -- there were several people who were doing the same thing I was, but all of us were wandering around pretty clueless while most of the rest of the people who were active appeared to concentrate on just getting stuff out -- or they'd already run to empire. Goddamned frustrating.
Deirdre Skye	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:00:00 - [77] Edited by: Deirdre Skye on 17/05/2006 10:01:18 To those interested in emptying their hangars in Paragon Soul I can recommend my old trading buddy Nepereta: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=339001
JC Anderson	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:15:00 - [78] Edited by: JC Anderson on 17/05/2006 10:15:37 Originally by: Emeline Cabernet hipp hipp hurra.. who started this war anyway? or what? ASCN Goes to war
killerco	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:50:00 - [79] Too the TS who defended there space ..> Respect for fighting for your territory For the other TS Don't be a great man just be a man
VinterDvala	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:56:00 - [80] Dear players, the servers are down for one hour each day for maintenance and updates and to get cyvoks head out his arse...its just showing how lame you are by not allowing ppl to get their stuff....are u that unsure of your alliance that you think a few ppl getting stuff out will come back and take over??? Anywho...thanks for completing your show...firstly by attacking a friendly alliance then secondly by bending them over and telling them sell us your stuff for nothing .... oh and btw good luck teaming up with sa/huzza v. bob i hear..make sure to post those kill mails when u lose thost 15 dreads
Saran Tal	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Helen -snip- Also thx Saran Tal for the screenie I can see my name on it. Yea, host has carked it i think :\ But you were too far away for me to shoot at! bah to you Don John, Borarchio, Arturo Ui And Givola Are my Homeboys.
Fortior	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:15:00 - [82] Originally by: VinterDvala Dear players, the servers are down for one hour each day for maintenance and updates and to get cyvoks head out his arse...its just showing how lame you are by not allowing ppl to get their stuff....are u that unsure of your alliance that you think a few ppl getting stuff out will come back and take over??? Anywho...thanks for completing your show...firstly by attacking a friendly alliance then secondly by bending them over and telling them sell us your stuff for nothing .... oh and btw good luck teaming up with sa/huzza v. bob i hear..make sure to post those kill mails when u lose thost 15 dreads Sad to hear that your assets are, for all intents and purposes, gone. My fellow alliance brothers can help you out if you'd like. Selling your assets would really be the best thing to do. I fail to see why ASCN should let TS members haul their stuff out of PS. TS are/were enemies and should be treated as such. It's not an issue about people 'getting stuff out will come back and take over'. It's more like people getting stuff out and some come back in gank squads to annoy us. Denying an enemy his weapons should be an easy way to reduce your own losses. Someone told me that when PVP'ing you should consider your ship lost the minute you undock. Same thing should be applied to 0.0 assets.
RedClaws	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:15:00 - [83] Originally by: VinterDvala Dear players, the servers are down for one hour each day for maintenance and updates and to get cyvoks head out his arse...its just showing how lame you are by not allowing ppl to get their stuff....are u that unsure of your alliance that you think a few ppl getting stuff out will come back and take over??? Anywho...thanks for completing your show...firstly by attacking a friendly alliance then secondly by bending them over and telling them sell us your stuff for nothing .... oh and btw good luck teaming up with sa/huzza v. bob i hear..make sure to post those kill mails when u lose thost 15 dreads Dear Mr. In-Alliance alt When you post something like this make sure you use "ASCN" instead of "us" and not to say things that "you heard" If you are complaining about leadership : there are ascn forums for that. Thank you.
CC 3	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:22:00 - [84] Cybok is so lame, not even to allow people to get there stuff out!!!! Remember this what comes round comes round with more revenge. Helan = Dread Pilot Steal Rat = Dread Pilot, when i remeber the names of the others ill post them as well, i will say this ill be back for revenge Here was 1 deal that was mentioned some corps will be allowed to merge into us (ASCN), you will need 22 bil in your corp wallets, before the kali patch and an active member count of over 100. Does that ring a bell cybok. Advanced soventry dont mean anything when I have alts in your space in cryno ships logged off dont ned a gate then
Sha Kharn	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:26:00 - [85] If your tribe and are looking for a new corp donÆt come knocking on sha-k's door. Few exceptions. Miners with big sticks and anyone i knew in the old stain days who I know actually has some balls. Im sick of tribe members convoing me telling me they would like to join but cant pvp. You shame the few members of tribe who can still hold their heads high. Respect to those who stood against us you will be remembered. Setenta Corp im sad to see how this turned out but well done for fighting. I was proud of you in your last days in MP5. Sententa flew into a hail of fire and died like men. Much Respect! http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=ki...il&kll_id=29179 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=ki...il&kll_id=29210 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=ki...il&kll_id=29181 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=ki...il&kll_id=29174 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=ki...il&kll_id=29180 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=ki...il&kll_id=29265 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=ki...il&kll_id=29286
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:41:00 - [86] stizum hilidii would also like to help those ts members left shut out of stations Stuck TS members go here snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
DeadDuck	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:55:00 - [87] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig I feel for the honest TS members that lost it all just to see their leaders undock in unfitted battleships to collect the insurance. Thats just wrong ... Reminds me those scenes in real life, where some leaders make histerical announcments to fight to the last man and last bullet, while they are packing to vanish
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:57:00 - [88] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Goberth Ludwig I feel for the honest TS members that lost it all just to see their leaders undock in unfitted battleships to collect the insurance. Thats just wrong ... Reminds me those scenes in real life, where some leaders make histerical announcments to fight to the last man and last bullet, while they are packing to vanish Agreed. At least have the decency to fit a few smarties, you may at least catch a few frigs as you go down! Max
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:59:00 - [89] Were there any decent engagements between ascn and ts or was it just utter blobbage?
Deamos	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:00:00 - [90] The battle is done...Lets stop with the posts and move on. Any more and you're obviously aiming for flamebait, regardless whom you fly with. No need for a new thred every day on different details of the same conflict a week after it was pretty much considered over.
Dufas	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:07:00 - [91] As they say "All good things come to an end" and TS was damn fun when it started...we had abs, large and in charge and a clear path of what we wanted to do...but abs left and we started to drift away from what TS was suppose to be...it wasnt any one persons fault its just something that tends to happen over time....and as the game goes the little fish is often time eaten by the 800 pound gorilla...its the nature of things and happens all the time. Pointing fingers and blaming ppl only promotes headaches and takes away the fun of the game...many of us fought and did what we could to save our space while others were only looking out for themselves and to them i say good riddance....i have alot of friends in ascn and pos i'll be leaving behind as we move on to do something else....to you guys i say thanks for the help and friendship...its rare when you have ppl you can count on time and time again...ive been living in the south for over 2 years and its never been a dull moment .... and with the speed that things change in game who knows...i might be back sooner then you think bash sucks __________
Nepereta	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:13:00 - [92] Dear Tribal Souls, I would like to offer my services as a trader to liquidize your assets that would otherwise end up stuck. I am interested in almost everything. I will try to offer you a good a deal as possible given the circumstances. Remember I can help you liquidize right now with no fussing around trying to sneak stuff out that may or may not get ganked by ascn or some pirate operation up the pipe. Please help me help you. Yours sincerely and the wishing you better luck in the future, Nepereta
geewiz	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:14:00 - [93] Translates another region to shoot ASCN in...Woot Gee Signature removed, email the mods with a link to your sig to find out why - Vanamonde
Sku1ly	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:20:00 - [94] Originally by: CC 3 Helan = Dread Pilot Never heard of them. STK-S Website
Mistress Redbull	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:27:00 - [95] Well done ASCN/AXE. I'm pleased it's over tbh - very boring taking over a region of space - that the current owners are't interested in keeping. I managed to get a couple of kills in a week, from people fleeing in badly fitted frigs or cruisers, but other than that - caught up on some RL work while camping deserted stations. \o/
Helen	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:48:00 - [96] Originally by: Sku1ly Originally by: CC 3 Helan = Dread Pilot Never heard of them. Who is this imposter called Helan?
CC 3	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:53:00 - [97] Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
CC 3	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:55:00 - [98] so I can't SPELL HELEN
Sku1ly	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:57:00 - [99] Originally by: CC 3 so I can't SPELL HELEN Or much else for that matter. STK-S Website
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:01:00 - [100] Edited by: Nafri on 17/05/2006 13:00:57 Personal Nafri statement: The ammount of Ravens in your fleet show the pitiful status of the once so "glory" ASCN fleet. I thought the tactics of bringing as many ships as possible in a singular fight died together with the old alliances like PA and FA. It makes me quite happy that I am able to see the miner-blobÖ again. Only the recreance of your featherbrained enemies allowed you to preen yourself on such an unexacting vicory. Pathetic to see a 0.0 alliance accepting the avoidable. Tribal Souls, beeing abolished by ASCN is something unique in Eve. May I offer my greatest felicitations to such a extravaganza. Summertime - Campingtime!
Helen	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:06:00 - [101] Not sure who's alt you actually are CC 3 so lets just say this post with your main and try and spellcheck before posting or even better just engage your brain and don't post at all.
Fortior	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:07:00 - [102] Originally by: Sku1ly Originally by: CC 3 so I can't SPELL HELEN Or much else for that matter. It's times like these I'm proud we have you as our Head of Human Resources, Skulls
Halada	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:08:00 - [103] Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 17/05/2006 13:00:57 Personal Nafri statement: The ammount of Ravens in your fleet show the pitiful status of the once so "glory" ASCN fleet. I thought the tactics of bringing as many ships as possible in a singular fight died together with the old alliances like PA and FA. It makes me quite happy that I am able to see the miner-blob™ again. Only the recreance of your featherbrained enemies allowed you to preen yourself on such an unexacting vicory. Pathetic to see a 0.0 alliance accepting the avoidable. Tribal Souls, beeing abolished by ASCN is something unique in Eve. May I offer my greatest felicitations to such a extravaganza. Always nice to see D2 hijack threads to insult an entire alliance. WTF is your problem? The whole EVE community knew TS would fall like a fly, they weren't prepared and not equipped to repell a bigger alliance. We're not savouring this victory like if it was the end of WWIII. Cyvok said it himself, it was a quick decision made on the fly but a necessary one. My mining guide
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:10:00 - [104] with every day that passed, with every allied hauler i saw vacating assets, with every single naverin whine thread, with every "ascn put up a tower in system yxz, there is also a SINGLE **in stc tower present" mail i recieved, with every tower i heard was under attack that had no guns at all when i arrived there, with watching the single well setup POS in gq2 falling while i was the only one around to defend/** around with the dreads solo in my dictor out of sheer boredom, with me having to yell that the POS is NOT firing at all on every single channel, with mwb beeing booted because they prefered a fight over saving their asses(outposts)..... ... i was convinced that this cant be "just" an alliance leadership full of retards. there were traitors as well! may i be able to interpret the XXXX in those convos right and our wrath hit the right ones. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:11:00 - [105] Originally by: Halada Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 17/05/2006 13:00:57 Personal Nafri statement: The ammount of Ravens in your fleet show the pitiful status of the once so "glory" ASCN fleet. I thought the tactics of bringing as many ships as possible in a singular fight died together with the old alliances like PA and FA. It makes me quite happy that I am able to see the miner-blobÖ again. Only the recreance of your featherbrained enemies allowed you to preen yourself on such an unexacting vicory. Pathetic to see a 0.0 alliance accepting the avoidable. Tribal Souls, beeing abolished by ASCN is something unique in Eve. May I offer my greatest felicitations to such a extravaganza. Always nice to see D2 hijack threads to insult an entire alliance. WTF is your problem? The whole EVE community knew TS would fall like a fly, they weren't prepared and not equipped to repell a bigger alliance. We're not savouring this victory like if it was the end of WWIII. Cyvok said it himself, it was a quick decision made on the fly but a necessary one. If you would read my whole post, you would see thats this is a personal statement. I can also remove my corporation tag if you have problems with it. Where is the insult? Basicly I said you got a free victory, since Tribal Souls were too selfish to defend their alliance. Summertime - Campingtime!
Nepereta	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:16:00 - [106] Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK most enjoyable sentence I have seen today , thank you for my new signature.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:39:00 - [107] Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK yes sweat all you want in that revenge versus Cybok and lacky's.. ...dunno who the hell they are tho ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:45:00 - [108] Naf, Ravens are kind a useful at shooting stations and POS. Dominixes as well. PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:11:00 - [109] I was shocked at some of those convos, personally I would name and shame such traitors as even enemies need to have such people weaned from their ranks. To sell your own friends out for some assets in a computer game, that is lower than low. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Malachon Draco	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:13:00 - [110] Respect to those who fought. Even though your numbers were small, you made sure we weren't safe in your territory for a while, except in the systems we were holding to get the stations. You did a good job cutting off our supplylines with the limited resources you had. Just shows how a 9-man corp with the courage to fight can do more than a corp ten times their size that is lacking that courage. To those who didn't fight...well. What is there left to say after reading those convos in Cyvok's post.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:31:00 - [111] Originally by: Gierling Naf, Ravens are kind a useful at shooting stations and POS. Dominixes as well. I was joking anyway Summertime - Campingtime!
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:32:00 - [112] would again like to point out this thread to ts members Linkage
Krapz	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:55:00 - [113] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii would again like to point out this thread to ts members Linkage Stan, are you flirting with me?
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:58:00 - [114] i really wonder about who you let in ascn cyvok :(
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:02:00 - [115] Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 17/05/2006 13:00:57 Personal Nafri statement: The ammount of Ravens in your fleet show the pitiful status of the once so "glory" ASCN fleet. I thought the tactics of bringing as many ships as possible in a singular fight died together with the old alliances like PA and FA. It makes me quite happy that I am able to see the miner-blobÖ again. Only the recreance of your featherbrained enemies allowed you to preen yourself on such an unexacting vicory. Pathetic to see a 0.0 alliance accepting the avoidable. Tribal Souls, beeing abolished by ASCN is something unique in Eve. May I offer my greatest felicitations to such a extravaganza. Our fleet has never been glorious (as in shiny and tech II) and maybe never will, yet that didnt prevent us from stopping your alliance mates back in december did it? Tbh, the fact you wernt there back then doesnt give you the right to look down on us, Nafri... - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:07:00 - [116] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 17/05/2006 13:00:57 Personal Nafri statement: The ammount of Ravens in your fleet show the pitiful status of the once so "glory" ASCN fleet. I thought the tactics of bringing as many ships as possible in a singular fight died together with the old alliances like PA and FA. It makes me quite happy that I am able to see the miner-blobÖ again. Only the recreance of your featherbrained enemies allowed you to preen yourself on such an unexacting vicory. Pathetic to see a 0.0 alliance accepting the avoidable. Tribal Souls, beeing abolished by ASCN is something unique in Eve. May I offer my greatest felicitations to such a extravaganza. Our fleet has never been glorious (as in shiny and tech II) and maybe never will, yet that didnt prevent us from stopping your alliance mates back in december did it? Tbh, the fact you wernt there back then doesnt give you the right to look down on us, Nafri... The lack of me and my ship is a nuisance which is solved now Summertime - Campingtime!
Gyro DuAquin1	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:26:00 - [117] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 17/05/2006 13:00:57 Personal Nafri statement: The ammount of Ravens in your fleet show the pitiful status of the once so "glory" ASCN fleet. I thought the tactics of bringing as many ships as possible in a singular fight died together with the old alliances like PA and FA. It makes me quite happy that I am able to see the miner-blobÖ again. Only the recreance of your featherbrained enemies allowed you to preen yourself on such an unexacting vicory. Pathetic to see a 0.0 alliance accepting the avoidable. Tribal Souls, beeing abolished by ASCN is something unique in Eve. May I offer my greatest felicitations to such a extravaganza. Our fleet has never been glorious (as in shiny and tech II) and maybe never will, yet that didnt prevent us from stopping your alliance mates back in december did it? Tbh, the fact you wernt there back then doesnt give you the right to look down on us, Nafri... Hi want a hug. Well ts needed to be crused death to the weak, gj ascn
Rabbitgod	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:49:00 - [118] To the few people that keep calling ascn/axe minners or pirats or what ever group you want to stick us in here is the truth. We ARE NOT a pvp corp. We ARE NOT a minning corp. We ARE NOT a pirate corp. We ARE a 0.0 corp driven by the ideal of building an empire of our own for the benifit of all of our members and friends. CYVOK and the rest of the leadership on our end did what had to be done not to be mean but to ensure the securaty of our home. We did expect to win because we belive we have some of the best poilets in the game flying with us. We did not expect TS to just roll over and die we wanted a good fight. It was TS leadership that walked the road to ruin and decided their home wasn't worth fighting for not us and we should not be reciving smack about it nor should all of TS the responabilty is compleatly in the hands of TS leadership that should have had a "If we are going down were taking as many of them with us" attatude. The leadership should of lead the people willing to fight to do as much damage to us as they could. How I mine 4 biomass?!!11one1eleven
Blind Watchmaker	Posted - 2006.05.17 18:03:00 - [119] You have to laugh at the irony of the guy screaming "this is just a game!" while in the same paragraph making RL insults towards CYVOK ---------------------------------------
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.17 20:13:00 - [120] i would be happy with what u got, if i was cyvok i would NOT give u anytime, and hope u cry about it in empire. its what most of ye sound like u deserve, specially u whiny git. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.05.17 20:34:00 - [121] @ Cyvok, respect that u dont want to drag ppl in the mud but i dotn realy agree , ppl who betray their corp m8s and allaicnes are just like ore thieves , loot theives , corp thieves they should be realy named and shamed so they dont have even a noob corp to join coz tbh ppl who offer to offline poses or betray their brethren soo cowardly deserve even worse , No mercy for cowards and traitors is soemthing i always belive in. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.05.17 21:06:00 - [122] Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 17/05/2006 13:00:57 Personal Nafri statement: The ammount of Ravens in your fleet show the pitiful status of the once so "glory" ASCN fleet. I thought the tactics of bringing as many ships as possible in a singular fight died together with the old alliances like PA and FA. It makes me quite happy that I am able to see the miner-blobÖ again. Only the recreance of your featherbrained enemies allowed you to preen yourself on such an unexacting vicory. Pathetic to see a 0.0 alliance accepting the avoidable. Tribal Souls, beeing abolished by ASCN is something unique in Eve. May I offer my greatest felicitations to such a extravaganza. ahahahaha /agree but in this case the thread is as much about TS's absolutely ridiculous backbending and utter lack of moral fortitude as anything.
TheStressPuppy	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:39:00 - [123] Originally by: Logan Xerxes I know that I fought for the alliance. As do a few ASCN "Mohammed Moa" "Car-bomb Caracal" "Mujahadeen Maller" Nice try with the "Mohammad". Very entertaining :D You, and Miners with Big Stick at least TRIED! and thats what counts. I salute MWB for outwitting a 2 mimmie racial jammer outfitted scorp gang with 1 thron, and 3 tempest GF guys. Respect to the Tribal member that did put up a fight.
Netto	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:44:00 - [124] Originally by: Logan Xerxes I know that I fought for the alliance. As do a few ASCN "Mohammed Moa" "Car-bomb Caracal" "Mujahadeen Maller" Was pretty funny. Someone on TS asked "Uh, why is there a can with smartbombs in it near the undock?" and the reply was "Bait for our little terrorist buddy!". Was a nice touch . Netto Celestial Fleet - We care.
Laird	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:51:00 - [125] Well, a not unexpected result from the ASCN action I have to say imho. And as for the complaints about ASCN's demands. You are forgetting the age old saying "To the victor, goes the spoils of war". ASCN are looting and pillaging, its just they are being terribly polite about it Ex-HDY Ex-PPl Now Eldritch Storm "Reality Compromised - The Clown has become enraged"
Nepereta	Posted - 2006.05.17 23:35:00 - [126] Originally by: Helen Not sure who's alt you actually are CC 3 so lets just say this post with your main and try and spellcheck before posting or even better just engage your brain and don't post at all. CC 3 follow none of the suggestions above you are a poet that stands shoulder to shoulder with grandmasters of the art of hacking english to pieces like the reverred Admiral Hayes or Siddy. I love you just the way you are. Please convo me sometime so I can experience your beauty first hand. Or better still convo Admiral Hayes and Siddy at the same time and post me the logs. Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.05.18 02:29:00 - [127] Originally by: Nepereta Dear Tribal Souls, I would like to offer my services as a trader to liquidize your assets that would otherwise end up stuck. I am interested in almost everything. I will try to offer you a good a deal as possible given the circumstances. Remember I can help you liquidize right now with no fussing around trying to sneak stuff out that may or may not get ganked by ascn or some pirate operation up the pipe. Please help me help you. Yours sincerely and the wishing you better luck in the future, Nepereta Nepereta, you're being too nice with TS ^^ They knew this was gonna happen (it's not like if ASCN not being really fond of TS was a big sikrit). Those who stopped fighting should be given no mercy. You should just laugh at them while they sit in despair outside their lost stations with everything they own trapped inside. Business is good ofc, but laughing at them is much more... hmmm... Well it's some kind of justice through the irony of fate ? Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Chimp Waterford	Posted - 2006.05.18 04:38:00 - [128] GJ ASCN, that pathetic alliance called Tribal Souls is finaly dead... However not latting them getting there stuff out is just mean and ASCN when you get hit prop expect the same courtesy as you have shown Tribal Souls when they surrendered... Also when i look at the convos, I can understand that some people trying to get there stuff out however selling you alliance out is just pathetic.. BTW ASCN didnt you do the same when you all were in xetic??? Didnt you break from xetic and formed ASCN so you would still have a space so you could mine in peace?? Sorry plz enlighten me I wasnt xetic
PhalHell	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:33:00 - [129] Originally by: CYVOK So here is your deal, SELL EVERYTHING YOU OWN at ROCK bottom prices on the Paragon market and clone jump back to Empire because in 7 days you will loose 100% of your access to the Regions Stations. If you have any hope of getting some ISK in your pocket, sell NOW. -CYVOK- You don't need access to sell your stuff. Fly into the region, open assets windows, rightclick stuff and sell from there. Originally by: CYVOK Unfortunately you are meeting me at a point in EvE after which I have been thought some hard lessons, such as letting a potential enemy go peacefully with all their resources intact. -CYVOK- Doesn't show great leadership. Shows bitterness about the past. The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my corps, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.
Rabbitgod	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:37:00 - [130] Quote: expect the same courtesy as you have shown Tribal Souls when they surrendered... You see thats the thing ASCN would never surrender it would fight to the last man, to the last ship, to the last .02isk How I mine 4 biomass?!!11one1eleven
Hoozin	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:47:00 - [131] Originally by: PhalHell[quote=CYVOK Unfortunately you are meeting me at a point in EvE after which I have been thought some hard lessons, such as letting a potential enemy go peacefully with all their resources intact. -CYVOK- Doesn't show great leadership. Shows bitterness about the past. True. Funny thing though how the history repeats itself. --------------------------------- Proper Haiku requires Gills ... and pretty panties.
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:53:00 - [132] Originally by: PhalHell Originally by: CYVOK Unfortunately you are meeting me at a point in EvE after which I have been thought some hard lessons, such as letting a potential enemy go peacefully with all their resources intact. -CYVOK- Doesn't show great leadership. Shows bitterness about the past. Shows learning from past mistakes and adapting.. Shows experience, perhaps something lacked by Tribe leadership at the time.
Nepereta	Posted - 2006.05.18 08:39:00 - [133] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Nepereta Dear Tribal Souls, I would like to offer my services as a trader to liquidize your assets that would otherwise end up stuck. I am interested in almost everything. I will try to offer you a good a deal as possible given the circumstances. Remember I can help you liquidize right now with no fussing around trying to sneak stuff out that may or may not get ganked by ascn or some pirate operation up the pipe. Please help me help you. Yours sincerely and the wishing you better luck in the future, Nepereta Nepereta, you're being too nice with TS ^^ They knew this was gonna happen (it's not like if ASCN not being really fond of TS was a big sikrit). Those who stopped fighting should be given no mercy. You should just laugh at them while they sit in despair outside their lost stations with everything they own trapped inside. Business is good ofc, but laughing at them is much more... hmmm... Well it's some kind of justice through the irony of fate ? At the end of the day we're dealing with players in a game. They need a fresh start away from Paragon Soul and I'm willing to help them get that. If I make a few isk on the way then thats cool and if they can pick up the pieces and get on with their lives then thats cool too. Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
sMoKe AU	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:26:00 - [134] This is my one and only post in regards to Tribal Souls vs ASCN. Whilst many out there choose to blame the Tribe Leadership for what transpired I will fill in some details. Whilst I was not a member of leadership at the time of these events I was still involved in a lot of the discussion and knew a lot of the details and was heavily consulted on my opinions of many of the matters at hand. Firstly. CYVOK claims that war against Tribe was only something that was being discussed. Well from what I have seen this is a load of crap. CYVOK respect for trying to protect yourself and make yourself look good. But simple fact is that comment is crap. We were convo'd by someone in ASCN leadership and told that this was the plan. I then contacted others and it was in fact confirmed and I quote. Yes we are planning on this but I know CYVOK will give you plenty of warning. You could have easily avoided doing this if you actually had wanted too. So don't try and claim you didn't want to do this. For those that do not know the leaders were out there fighting as much as they could. For those who wish to bash Stonyvision I will fill you in on one detail seeing he isn't here to defend himself. Stony spent the first few days of the war fighting his arse off and barely sleeping. However towards the end he was trying to pack to move countries. Yes move countries. He was in the process of moving from Korea back to the United States. So show some respect for crying out loud. Yeah Tribe fell to pieces quite quickly and imho probably for the best. We had an alliance full of people who would lie and betray for their own goals. Now hate to tell you but they weren't in Leadership. They were directors of corporations. Hence only offered 2 turn off POS's for certain systems. For those who put up crap about Tribe didn't even fight. Well what a load of crap. I personally lead several gank squads around getting kills. Yeah there were no fleet battles. Why? Because we couldn't get the numbers. 4500 pilots vs 700. When ASCN first invaded I was running a 30 man gang when my scout reports a 70 man gang heading towards us consisting mostly Battleships. (See screenies) Now if you call it cowardly to ss and attempt to find other ways to counter then so be it. I personally call it intelligent. The only hope Tribe had was in gank squads. Which we did. Oh and it wasn't only MWB that ran these. The reason Tribe fell apart so quickly rests squarely on those that couldn't be bothered to fight. Full respect to those who made an effort to join mine and other gangs. You guys are welcome to join me in my new venture. To those who offered to turn off pos's and ran for the hill I am glad you won't be allowed to get your crap out of Paragon. I encourage all ASCN members to grab what they can for as little as possible rip those traitors off. Full respect to ASCN and AXE for what consisted of a well executed invasion. I had hoped we would hold out slightly longer then we did but you immediately split our forces on day one and it just went downhill from there. Now flame away. sMoKe Former Tribal Souls Leader
Gilbert Drillerson	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:29:00 - [135] Originally by: sMoKe AU Full respect to ASCN and AXE for what consisted of a well executed invasion. I had hoped we would hold out slightly longer then we did but you immediately split our forces on day one and it just went downhill from there. While some TS leaders and members certainly deserve some, if not all, of the flames they have been getting. I would like to acqnowledge that many TS actually did try to put up a fight, especially in the first two days of the campaign. After that it seemed like morale collapsed, given the stuff that happend here on eve-o and in Paragon Soul, I cant say I blame them. Kudos to those in TS that made an effort to defend their home ! Dont get mad - Get even
Belag	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:40:00 - [136] Originally by: sMoKe AU We had an alliance full of people who would lie and betray for their own goals. Now hate to tell you but they weren't in Leadership. They were directors of corporations... ...The reason Tribe fell apart so quickly rests squarely on those that couldn't be bothered to fight.... sMoKe Former Tribal Souls Leader Now, this is just the opinion of a peon, but I believe that a leader is resonsible for the actions of all their members. Just like a captain is responsible for the actions of every member of the crew. The leadership sets the recruiting policy and the rules for the alliance and corporation. If anyone commits fraud or betrays the alliance, the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of those who are in charge. If not enough pilots heeded the call to arms and quickly moved to defend Paragon Soul, in my mind this is either a recruiting problem or a problem with the ability to motivate players. True leadership takes responsibility for mistakes, protects its membership, and defends them fiercely to the end, keeping any criticism internal. They do not sell out their members by blaming them for problems in a public forum. But that is just my opinion.
Kipkruide	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:55:00 - [137] Edited by: Kipkruide on 18/05/2006 16:59:25 well usally i think cyvok blows smoke from most of his orifices on most communication as far as honesty on his account goes, no offence. uhm cough. good luck with the propaganda. Not that i particularly care. though i see some peeps posting that it was a quick decisions, actually it wasn't ascn had plans to invade for at least 3 months, they were just waiting for stc to put the third stations up to complete adv sov. requirements, ofcourse we refrained. :) make of it what you will. but i'm not any more fond of traitors in my corp, and since i don't know you i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you can mail me the name of whoever it was so they can be pwnd.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:23:00 - [138] Plans are not the same thing as intent, Any organization has a myriad of plans for many possible future scenarios. Failure to do so indicates inexperience or poor preperation for the future. I'm Pretty sure Cyvok has plans for what to do if the Jove hire the MC to attack with Superman and Godzilla... not that I'd reveal what those plans are however. Now if you don't mind me I need to go put up a buy order for Kryptonite, and post a recruitment thread for a giant moth And/Or gorrilla. PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Mitawyn	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:30:00 - [139] Originally by: Chimp Waterford GJ ASCN, that pathetic alliance called Tribal Souls is finaly dead... However not latting them getting there stuff out is just mean and ASCN when you get hit prop expect the same courtesy as you have shown Tribal Souls when they surrendered... Also when i look at the convos, I can understand that some people trying to get there stuff out however selling you alliance out is just pathetic.. BTW ASCN didnt you do the same when you all were in xetic??? Didnt you break from xetic and formed ASCN so you would still have a space so you could mine in peace?? Sorry plz enlighten me I wasnt xetic Xetic died way before Tribal Souls. Xetic died under the weight of their own numbers/leadership who couldn't find the courage or intestinal fortitude to be real leaders. When are people going to realize that ASCN is not Xetic reborn, and they have nothing in common as far as goals, abilities and certainly not in the way they chose/have chosen to operate as an alliance. The horse is dead. Quit beating it.
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:43:00 - [140] Originally by: Nepereta Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Nepereta Dear Tribal Souls, I would like to offer my services as a trader to liquidize your assets that would otherwise end up stuck. I am interested in almost everything. I will try to offer you a good a deal as possible given the circumstances. Remember I can help you liquidize right now with no fussing around trying to sneak stuff out that may or may not get ganked by ascn or some pirate operation up the pipe. Please help me help you. Yours sincerely and the wishing you better luck in the future, Nepereta Nepereta, you're being too nice with TS ^^ They knew this was gonna happen (it's not like if ASCN not being really fond of TS was a big sikrit). Those who stopped fighting should be given no mercy. You should just laugh at them while they sit in despair outside their lost stations with everything they own trapped inside. Business is good ofc, but laughing at them is much more... hmmm... Well it's some kind of justice through the irony of fate ? At the end of the day we're dealing with players in a game. They need a fresh start away from Paragon Soul and I'm willing to help them get that. If I make a few isk on the way then thats cool and if they can pick up the pieces and get on with their lives then thats cool too. you're breaking all my precious roleplay ;.; Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
VonKaplanek III	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:53:00 - [141] Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson Originally by: sMoKe AU Full respect to ASCN and AXE for what consisted of a well executed invasion. I had hoped we would hold out slightly longer then we did but you immediately split our forces on day one and it just went downhill from there. While some TS leaders and members certainly deserve some, if not all, of the flames they have been getting. I would like to acqnowledge that many TS actually did try to put up a fight, especially in the first two days of the campaign. After that it seemed like morale collapsed, given the stuff that happend here on eve-o and in Paragon Soul, I cant say I blame them. Kudos to those in TS that made an effort to defend their home ! Word!!!!
Delthus	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:34:00 - [142] Originally by: sMoKe AU This is my one and only post in regards to Tribal Souls vs ASCN. Whilst many out there choose to blame the Tribe Leadership for what transpired I will fill in some details. Whilst I was not a member of leadership at the time of these events I was still involved in a lot of the discussion and knew a lot of the details and was heavily consulted on my opinions of many of the matters at hand. Firstly. CYVOK claims that war against Tribe was only something that was being discussed. Well from what I have seen this is a load of crap. CYVOK respect for trying to protect yourself and make yourself look good. But simple fact is that comment is crap. We were convo'd by someone in ASCN leadership and told that this was the plan. I then contacted others and it was in fact confirmed and I quote. Yes we are planning on this but I know CYVOK will give you plenty of warning. You could have easily avoided doing this if you actually had wanted too. So don't try and claim you didn't want to do this. For those that do not know the leaders were out there fighting as much as they could. For those who wish to bash Stonyvision I will fill you in on one detail seeing he isn't here to defend himself. Stony spent the first few days of the war fighting his arse off and barely sleeping. However towards the end he was trying to pack to move countries. Yes move countries. He was in the process of moving from Korea back to the United States. So show some respect for crying out loud. Yeah Tribe fell to pieces quite quickly and imho probably for the best. We had an alliance full of people who would lie and betray for their own goals. Now hate to tell you but they weren't in Leadership. They were directors of corporations. Hence only offered 2 turn off POS's for certain systems. For those who put up crap about Tribe didn't even fight. Well what a load of crap. I personally lead several gank squads around getting kills. Yeah there were no fleet battles. Why? Because we couldn't get the numbers. 4500 pilots vs 700. When ASCN first invaded I was running a 30 man gang when my scout reports a 70 man gang heading towards us consisting mostly Battleships. (See screenies) Now if you call it cowardly to ss and attempt to find other ways to counter then so be it. I personally call it intelligent. The only hope Tribe had was in gank squads. Which we did. Oh and it wasn't only MWB that ran these. The reason Tribe fell apart so quickly rests squarely on those that couldn't be bothered to fight. Full respect to those who made an effort to join mine and other gangs. You guys are welcome to join me in my new venture. To those who offered to turn off pos's and ran for the hill I am glad you won't be allowed to get your crap out of Paragon. I encourage all ASCN members to grab what they can for as little as possible rip those traitors off. Full respect to ASCN and AXE for what consisted of a well executed invasion. I had hoped we would hold out slightly longer then we did but you immediately split our forces on day one and it just went downhill from there. Now flame away. sMoKe Former Tribal Souls Leader well he gave u 24 hour warning and u guys blew that by breaking it and atttacking us first so i mean how did he not give you plenty of warning?
Regat Kozovv	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:42:00 - [143] Edited by: Regat Kozovv on 19/05/2006 15:42:08 Originally by: Gierling Plans are not the same thing as intent, Any organization has a myriad of plans for many possible future scenarios. Failure to do so indicates inexperience or poor preperation for the future. This is a very important point, and a good example that I showed to my group as to what happens when a corp or alliance fails to have a set response plan to a crisis. As a result, half of TS tried to withdraw while the other half stayed and fought. I will not weigh in as to whether they should have withdrawn or formed a defence, but it is clear to me that the alliance as a whole failed to carry out either. As a result, billions in assets are still left in Paragon while Miners with Big Sticks were left to defend on their own in what proved to be a valiant, but futile, defence.

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