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Lido Seahawk
Norr Amalgamated Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:29:00 -
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On the Jester's Trek blog everyone's favorite CSM member said:
"So, YES, null-sec should have better income for EVERYTHING than high-sec. It should be better for EVERYTHING than high-sec."
I said I thought that remark to be a bit snooty, but now I'm wondering. I always thought that every part of eve should have its pros and cons, and let the players decide on the trade-offs to make. Shouldn't there be aspects of the game where null should need high-sec input in various ways? Why can't high-sec have some little treasure of its own that makes it most groovy in its own special way?
But hey, I could be wrong. So, I ask, is Jester right? Should EVERYTHING be better in null-sec than high-sec?
Can I have your stuff? |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
826
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:30:00 -
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Of course.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Dave stark
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:31:00 -
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yes, there's no reason why it shouldn't.
then again, just because things in null should be better doesn't mean high sec should suck balls either. it's called balance. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Probe Patrol
Ixtab.
211
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:32:00 -
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I like this Thread. It has good potential for entertainment and will therefore subscribe and return once I have popcorn. |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes
The Volition Cult
405
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:32:00 -
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Hells yeah. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1786
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:34:00 -
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Thats...Thats not what he said. 
BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12670
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:36:00 -
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Ripard Clouseau's special investigation has revealed that when given the chance, Nullblock CSM representatives will vote for a nullsec buff.
This and other news, next, on 60 Minutes. tick tick tick tick tick.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1612
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:36:00 -
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The pro of hisec is, surprise surprise, high security.
Generally, outside of being a moron (officer fits, driving overloaded freighters through known gank hubs, mission running under wardec, not tanking your minning ship enough, etc.) it is very difficult to lose assets in hisec.
The same is not true for other types of space, despite what you may have heard from certain inept bloggers or sub-moronic trolls. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1668
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:37:00 -
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Reserved ground floor space on a JT blog thread in GD.
  
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21152
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:37:00 -
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Yes.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
787
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:38:00 -
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More risk? More reward. |
Lido Seahawk
Norr Amalgamated Industries
81
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:38:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Thats...Thats not what he said.
It is what he said. Read the comments section.
Can I have your stuff? |
Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Nulli Secunda
129
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:38:00 -
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yes |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:48:00 -
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Quote:Why can't high-sec have some little treasure of its own that makes it most groovy in its own special way?
Highsec does have its own little treasure.
It has security.
Get out of highsec if you want greater reward.
Quote:So, I ask, is Jester right?
Reserved as I may want to come back and add something here later. Just have to figure out how to write it without getting banned.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Grape Juice
Missing Clones Syndicate
The.Spanish.Inquisition
2
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:51:00 -
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With greater risk comes greater reward... and greater consequence.
That said, WH > NulSec. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2956
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:52:00 -
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Null-sec should be *worse* than high-sec in everything. At least until it got upgraded by sov mechanics. And every upgrade should be possible to be impaired by roaming gangs. And you should be required to specialize your systems just like ships and fittings. Null-sec is full sandbox. If you don't build up your stuff and keep it from trampled in, you should have a hard time.
Read the link in my signature for a example on how that could be done.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
368
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:53:00 -
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Well, if we're going by EVE's risk vs. reward motto, then yes. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5242
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:54:00 -
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Everything is bigger in Texas.
Everything. Yep, even that.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
1316
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:54:00 -
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Lido Seahawk wrote:On the Jester's Trek blog everyone's favorite CSM member said: "So, YES, null-sec should have better income for EVERYTHING than high-sec. It should be better for EVERYTHING than high-sec." I said I thought that remark to be a bit snooty, but now I'm wondering. I always thought that every part of eve should have its pros and cons, and let the players decide on the trade-offs to make. Shouldn't there be aspects of the game where null should need high-sec input in various ways? Why can't high-sec have some little treasure of its own that makes it most groovy in its own special way? But hey, I could be wrong. So, I ask, is Jester right? Should EVERYTHING be better in null-sec than high-sec?
Buff null sec, buff low sec, leave high sec as is.
The rewards should scale with the risk.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Dave Stark
4986
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:54:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Quote:So, I ask, is Jester right? Reserved as I may want to come back and add something here later. Just have to figure out how to write it without getting banned.
"no" |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
696
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:55:00 -
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I refuse to read his crap.
And... No.
No, because "everything" covers literally "everything", including security.
People seem to forget that if nullsec was better at literally everything,
it would be the new highsec.
I believe that improving nullsec more and more opens up a whole shitload of issues
which will eventually end in the need of reducing incomes and "betterness",
because CCP can simply not foresee wtf will happen once nullsec starts to become
a new empire space.
And it ses to go that way. People rent space. More people in null will lead to more
security for everybody. It will also meam that more people will make even more money,
which is a problem in itself.
To shorten what I want to say...
Nullsec will eventually become what highsec should have been from the get go.
And THEN the issues go full circle.
BUT there is one thing that might actually help against such a development,
namely the NewSpace people will find by building player made stargates.
Then NewSpace will be what nullsec was meant to be,
while nullsec will be what highsec was meant to be
and highsec will be a ghetto centered around newer players.
And what about lowsec?
Lowsec will always be the redheaded stepchild...
"My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4801
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:59:00 -
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Lido Seahawk wrote:On the Jester's Trek blog everyone's favorite CSM member said: "So, YES, null-sec should have better income for EVERYTHING than high-sec. It should be better for EVERYTHING than high-sec." I said I thought that remark to be a bit snooty, but now I'm wondering. I always thought that every part of eve should have its pros and cons, and let the players decide on the trade-offs to make. Shouldn't there be aspects of the game where null should need high-sec input in various ways? Why can't high-sec have some little treasure of its own that makes it most groovy in its own special way? But hey, I could be wrong. So, I ask, is Jester right? Should EVERYTHING be better in null-sec than high-sec?
I think the question is wrong.
The question should be "should the return on investments be better in nullsec".
And the best answer to that would be "yes". Nullsec operations require a greater return on investment due to having to provide your own security and taking better risk.
To simple say "better" leaves way too much open for argument.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Dave Stark
4987
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:00:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Lido Seahawk wrote:On the Jester's Trek blog everyone's favorite CSM member said: "So, YES, null-sec should have better income for EVERYTHING than high-sec. It should be better for EVERYTHING than high-sec." I said I thought that remark to be a bit snooty, but now I'm wondering. I always thought that every part of eve should have its pros and cons, and let the players decide on the trade-offs to make. Shouldn't there be aspects of the game where null should need high-sec input in various ways? Why can't high-sec have some little treasure of its own that makes it most groovy in its own special way? But hey, I could be wrong. So, I ask, is Jester right? Should EVERYTHING be better in null-sec than high-sec? Buff null sec, buff low sec, leave high sec as is. The rewards should scale with the risk.
starting a power creep between the different areas of space is not a good way to balance things. |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:13:00 -
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In reality, the most efficient and economical industry takes place in stable countries, not in warzones or lawless territories. If we translate this to EVE, industry should be "better" in high sec where it is protected by the established empires; it just makes sense that way. So in the strictest sense, no, Ripard's comment is wrong.
However, nullsec should have the potential for better returns, provided that those living in null can build and maintain the necessary equipment/structures, upgrade them to a high quality/efficiency, and defend them from attack and theft. Nullsec is supposed to be open lawless space, which can yield great opportunities if you can tame it. The one thing nullsec should not do is provide automatically better results as the default state; that runs exactly counter to the idea of risk vs. reward. The better yields in null need to be fought for and won. This is why I think that some significant changes to the way sov works need to be made before rolling out these sorts of industry changes. Without sov improvements, these changes are meaningless.
Abrazzar wrote:Null-sec should be *worse* than high-sec in everything. At least until it got upgraded by sov mechanics. And every upgrade should be possible to be impaired by roaming gangs. And you should be required to specialize your systems just like ships and fittings. Null-sec is full sandbox. If you don't build up your stuff and keep it from trampled in, you should have a hard time.
Read the link in my signature for a example on how that could be done.
Basically this. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5302
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:18:00 -
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Anybody ever bother to look at a map?
Null has way more security than high sec according to the big red kill overlays.
Just sayin'
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4830
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:21:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Anybody ever bother to look at a map? Null has way more security than high sec according to the big red kill overlays. Just sayin' Mr Epeen
Two words: Blue Sec.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Dave Stark
4989
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Anybody ever bother to look at a map? Null has way more security than high sec according to the big red kill overlays. Just sayin' Mr Epeen
number of kills =/= level of security. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3197
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:26:00 -
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Yes. Everything should be better in Nullsec. Everything should be even better in WH. There should be an inverse relationship between the security and ease of play in your space and the benefits of living there. The fact that there would even be debate about this tells me empire groupies are freebasing... it's the simplest concept in EvE: Risk v.s. reward.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1320
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:26:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Null has way more security than high sec according to the big red kill overlays.
Not provided through the game mechanics, but through players taking responsibility for their own protection and working with other players.
How many ships do you think autopilot through nullsec? How many AFK mine in systems with neutrals around? How many will just remain in a mission pocket when they see combat probes on scan?
Those that do these things in null risk ending up on the ALOD list.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
7675
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:30:00 -
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Posting in a Stealth *How many Highsec Mains have nullsec alts* thread.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
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