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Darth Bladius
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:19:00 -
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I-¦ve read some topics about Eagle, about how it-¦s underpowered and stuff. But generally mixed opinions. On the other hand, I-¦ve found a Gallente alternative to Eagle - Deimos. Not that many negative opinions on it.
I compared them a lot of times, but I-¦m still not sure which I should go for. What ship (Eagle or Deimos) benefits from it-¦s bonuses more. So I need opinions of you guys. Consider DPS, survivability...
Let-¦s ask, what ship is better to run l4 sec missions? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2082
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:21:00 -
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Its l4 missions, you can run them with a potatoe.
Both ships should be able to tank quite well and both ships should be able to break most stuff.
That said the eagle is heavily underrated. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
76
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:44:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Its l4 missions, you can run them with a potatoe.
Both ships should be able to tank quite well and both ships should be able to break most stuff.
That said the eagle is heavily underrated. The potato; the dominix is a great ship for lvl 4's |
Darth Bladius
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:16:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Its l4 missions, you can run them with a potatoe.
Both ships should be able to tank quite well and both ships should be able to break most stuff.
That said the eagle is heavily underrated. The potato; the dominix is a great ship for lvl 4's
Question was, Eagle or Deimos? |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
45
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:08:00 -
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Darth Bladius wrote:Nimrod vanHall wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Its l4 missions, you can run them with a potatoe.
Both ships should be able to tank quite well and both ships should be able to break most stuff.
That said the eagle is heavily underrated. The potato; the dominix is a great ship for lvl 4's Question was, Eagle or Deimos?
For L4 missions? That's like asking whether it's better to hang yourself from the balls with hemp or nylon rope. Don't run them.
Get a dual rep Deimos and go to lowsec, find a fight, enjoy life.
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2014.04.23 20:41:00 -
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Neither of them are great missions ships. Their raw damage output just isn't that great.
For what they actually do: the Eagle has great range and potentially an excellent tank. You can use it as an anti-support frigate/interdictor murdering machine, or you can turn them into little bricks of shield EHP that can spit out respectable damage to 160km and basically act like a mini Tengufleet. The Deimos is an armor brawler designed to dunk on small gangs with hilarious active tank setups. You could make a fleet fit out of it, but its tracking and projection are unexceptional thanks to not having good bonuses for them and its slot layout isn't great for an armor fleet fit; a Zealot or an Eagle would probably be better options. |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:10:00 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:Darth Bladius wrote:Nimrod vanHall wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Its l4 missions, you can run them with a potatoe.
Both ships should be able to tank quite well and both ships should be able to break most stuff.
That said the eagle is heavily underrated. The potato; the dominix is a great ship for lvl 4's Question was, Eagle or Deimos? For L4 missions? That's like asking whether it's better to hang yourself from the balls with hemp or nylon rope. Don't run them. Get a dual rep Deimos and go to lowsec, find a fight, enjoy life.
Hemp. It's the only option. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
775
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:30:00 -
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Answering a question with a question:
Why would you WANT to do level 4 missions from a Hybrid Cruiser hull? |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
1762
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:01:00 -
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Hmmm... I rarely see those undocking from lvl4 security mission hubs. The occasional Cerberus or mission fit Tengu, yes. But an Eagle for purely missioning? Rare indeed to see them around mission hubs. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc. Constructive. Criticism.
90
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:38:00 -
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i used a nighthawk out of boredom, for missions there is alot of stuff better than both hacs u listed for pvp on the other hand ... |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
914
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Posted - 2014.04.24 02:00:00 -
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Darth Bladius wrote:I-¦ve read some topics about Eagle, about how it-¦s underpowered and stuff. But generally mixed opinions. On the other hand, I-¦ve found a Gallente alternative to Eagle - Deimos. Not that many negative opinions on it.
I compared them a lot of times, but I-¦m still not sure which I should go for. What ship (Eagle or Deimos) benefits from it-¦s bonuses more. So I need opinions of you guys. Consider DPS, survivability...
Let-¦s ask, what ship is better to run l4 sec missions?
The vigilant is better than either imo, and its not that much more expensive.
Reasons - needs 1 less magstab for same dps as a deimos, has a better web, and because it needs 1 less magstab it will give a better tank against non kin-therm opponents, without having to lose another magstab. ie its quite a bit better whenever your gallente agent gives you an angel mission.
That said, both ishtar and dominix are better mission runners than any of the medium railboats. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.04.24 08:32:00 -
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Darth Bladius wrote:I-¦ve read some topics about Eagle, about how it-¦s underpowered and stuff. But generally mixed opinions. On the other hand, I-¦ve found a Gallente alternative to Eagle - Deimos. Not that many negative opinions on it.
I compared them a lot of times, but I-¦m still not sure which I should go for. What ship (Eagle or Deimos) benefits from it-¦s bonuses more. So I need opinions of you guys. Consider DPS, survivability...
Let-¦s ask, what ship is better to run l4 sec missions?
I used the Deimos for lvl4's even before HACs were changed just to see if it could be done. And yes it can. Just don't use rails on the Deimos, they don't pair so well.
The Eagle on the other hand is an amazing railgun or blaster boat.
Ask yourself if you need more range or more speed. The Eagle is the slowest of the HAC bunch but offers range in return for both railguns and blasters. If you use NULL ammo you can almost reach out to the full meta 4 long point range (20km).
In case of 200mm rails, you can snipe out to your maximum lock range with spike ammo.
The one thing I cannot help you with is, what you like better. Both are great with hybrid turrets, they just fly different. signature |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1901
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Posted - 2014.04.24 16:54:00 -
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Neither impress me. I'm playing with a Deimos now, not impressed, and I wouldn't use it on an L4 unless I was going for a new slow-to-complete record. I actually prefer the Vigilant over the Deimos on missioning. L4's tend to be about hitting hard and getting it over with; cruiser class hulls just don't do it (except for a couple of the T3s). "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
186
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Posted - 2014.04.24 18:35:00 -
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ahem... for cruisers running lvl 4 missions? The Ishtar. Same skills as for the deimos to fly it but deimos needs gunnery while Ishtar needs drones.
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God's Apples
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
366
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Posted - 2014.04.24 23:56:00 -
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You can get eagle to tank about 3k dps with crystals and links while having scram and web which makes it pretty dank... |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards Stealth Wear Inc.
541
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:33:00 -
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Ishtar is the only HAC really worth doing missions with. You can get 800dps @ 70km with Gardes which is as good as some Battleships. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2087
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:37:00 -
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I'd like to second the "don't do missions" opinion. Missions are terrible. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
124
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Posted - 2014.04.25 07:17:00 -
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Darth Bladius wrote:I-¦ve read some topics about Eagle, about how it-¦s underpowered and stuff. But generally mixed opinions. On the other hand, I-¦ve found a Gallente alternative to Eagle - Deimos. Not that many negative opinions on it.
I compared them a lot of times, but I-¦m still not sure which I should go for. What ship (Eagle or Deimos) benefits from it-¦s bonuses more. So I need opinions of you guys. Consider DPS, survivability...
Let-¦s ask, what ship is better to run l4 sec missions?
Why would you run LVL4s in a hac... http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Leokokim
Mining Industry Exile Foundation The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.28 11:06:00 -
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Luwc wrote: Why would you run LVL4s
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
422
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:29:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:I'd like to second the "don't do missions" opinion. Missions are terrible.
Motion is carried.
Also somebody using the word Dank ironically ITT |
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
452
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:53:00 -
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I bought an Eagle and fit it with blasters. I never fly it and it is named Beagle. So, I have an EvE Dog.
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Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2014.05.01 23:38:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I'd like to second the "don't do missions" opinion. Missions are terrible. Motion is carried. Also somebody using the word Dank ironically ITT I don't think he was using it ironically. Dorian Trollmak 9 - 0 in craps given. **** Miley Cyrus |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
656
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:31:00 -
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Dude... really? A part of me just died reading this thread. Deimos is a wtfbbq solo boat. Eagle is an excellent large fleet boat vs hybrids.
Neither one is particularly well suited to PvE. Get an Ishtar and train drones. Or a Tengu if you don't want to train another weapons system. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |
Arronicus
Ravens' Nest Outlaw Horizon.
929
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Posted - 2014.05.03 00:59:00 -
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Darth Bladius wrote:, I-¦ve found a Gallente alternative to Eagle - Deimos. Not that many negative opinions on it.
The deimos has always seen very low usage in eve compared to other similar class hulls, there are a LOT of negative opinions on it. It suffers from not being able to balance tank, gank, and speed at a comparable level to other hacs, leaving you with a glass cannon that shatters the moment anything even looks at it, or a semi tanky rock that is outperformed by many tech 1 cruisers. They don't get used in pvp often, they don't get used in pve often, because the Deimos is bad by comparison, within it's group. Sure, it's fun to fly, especially in some niche circumstances in the past, like if you could get a cynabal alone, or if people were foolish enough to ignore you in gang fights.
If you use an eagle or a deimos for level 4 missions, you are intentionally handicapping yourself, because that indicates that you not only have the money to fly something better, but likely have the skills trained up too. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
569
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:48:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Darth Bladius wrote:, I-¦ve found a Gallente alternative to Eagle - Deimos. Not that many negative opinions on it. The deimos has always seen very low usage in eve compared to other similar class hulls, there are a LOT of negative opinions on it. It suffers from not being able to balance tank, gank, and speed at a comparable level to other hacs, leaving you with a glass cannon that shatters the moment anything even looks at it, or a semi tanky rock that is outperformed by many tech 1 cruisers. They don't get used in pvp often, they don't get used in pve often, because the Deimos is bad by comparison, within it's group. Sure, it's fun to fly, especially in some niche circumstances in the past, like if you could get a cynabal alone, or if people were foolish enough to ignore you in gang fights. If you use an eagle or a deimos for level 4 missions, you are intentionally handicapping yourself, because that indicates that you not only have the money to fly something better, but likely have the skills trained up too.
The hell are you talking about, deimos is quite outstanding as of now.
If you consider HACs, you consider only Cerberus, Deimos and Ishtar anyways for the most part. If you like fleets, Zealot and Muninn also come to mind, and the Sac for niche-things like lowsec brawls. But still, 3 out of 8 and the deimos is amongst them. (RLM Cerb and shieldishtar the other two)
And the the deimos comes in variations even, LSE-rails for kiting around 20-30k with antimatter going 2km/s+ cold, rails-AAR-kiter which is incredibly cool thanks to its web, even mwd-ions for nullsec or ab-neutrons for wh/low (dualrep each with med CB), there is a lot it can do outstandingly well.
If you're talking about PvE, then be informed that HACs are a huge waste of time for that. Eagle is crap at it once the first spiderdronel wrecks your day, 10mb bandwidth or what it has. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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