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WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.04.25 12:28:00 -
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Getting close to flying one,
Is a rail proteus viable. Pvp and pve?
-Fly Reckless- |
Dsparil Mal
Crime Incorporated
11
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Posted - 2014.04.25 12:47:00 -
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I imagine it'll work well for killing frigs imo. I.e. stalking relic sites. Those frigs are frail but they're also fast. Domination target painter ftw. You can make decent money that way. Blaster proteus can do 1200 dps so rail proteus are frowned upon. I say if it works roll with it.
Erotica 1 for CSM 9! |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1905
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:36:00 -
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Rail Proteus is fine for pve, but you'll want a nasty blaster Proteus for pvp.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
783
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:39:00 -
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I used a rail Proteus for PvE, long before they fixed rails. It worked fine, especially with a drone sub to assist. |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.04.27 01:49:00 -
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Ok so drone rail proteus is good for pvp, kool. Ty for all the info didnt wanna waste sp if i could avoid it.
So a kitey rail proteus isnt work anything in pvp.
-Fly Reckless- |
Praxis Ginimic
Dead Men Rising
Ushra'Khan
790
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Posted - 2014.04.27 01:59:00 -
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The prot isn't really fast enough for kiting in pvp. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
Stealth Wear Inc.
541
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Posted - 2014.04.27 02:08:00 -
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Rail Proteus can be good for PvP but its more of a fleet based ship with a big engagement range, for smaller gangs or solo you'll definitely want blasters. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5423
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Posted - 2014.04.27 03:20:00 -
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For PvP, the Proteus has what is flat out the best cloaky weapon subsystem.
Not using blasters would really be a crime in a situation where you can get to within 3km of the guy before decloaking.
For PvE... I really don't have a ton of experience with that, but I would imagine that a Tengu is far better suited to it than a Proteus.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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thetwilitehour
Vasilkovsky Interstellar
247
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Posted - 2014.04.27 03:46:00 -
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This thread is full of awful misinformation. |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
5
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Posted - 2014.04.27 19:33:00 -
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[quote=Dato KopplaI Rail Proteus can be good for PvP but its more of a fleet based ship with a big engagement range, for smaller gangs or solo you'll definitely want blasters.[/quote]
I agree with this. Proteus is very slow for a cruiser, at about 1400m/s with a 1600mm plate. Catching targets is the hardest part of a fight with this thing. So if you aren't going Cloaking, I highly recommend a small gang to run with.
If you want to use Railguns in PVP, you'll want all the tracking you can get. The Dissonic Encoding Platform subsystem gives you +7.5% tracking per level, on top of the +10% damage/faloff. The tradeoff is no drones, but drones can get primaried easily by proficient pilots.
I have a fit that I use in fleets that uses 6x 250mm Railgun II's, 3 mag-stabs, dessonic and dissolution subs, and a Metastasis Adjuster II rig. Assuming all skills at V, you get 695dps (799oh) with navy antimatter with an optimal range of 18km and falloff at 38, and it tracks well enough to ward off frigates at range. With Spike you can reach out to 88km if you really need to.
Combined with a Fed-Navy Web (14km range), you can hold onto and crush just about any HAC from outside medium neut range. Less damage than with blasters, but way more flexible with strong damage projection. |
Jack Miton
Sky Fighters
Sky Syndicate
3297
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Posted - 2014.04.28 02:14:00 -
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Rail prot is fkn sweet for PVP, especially large scale.
They still get 800 turret dps up close and hit for 400+ out to their lock range.
We had a 10-12 man gang in mostly sentry ships camping a WH in our chain last week at ranges from 30-50km. we took in 4 rail prots with a couple guards and shat all over them.
10/10 would recommend.
keep in mind that a rail prot is NOT a kite ship, it's a brawler with excellent damage projection.
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Leokokim
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
The Camel Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.04.28 10:48:00 -
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Rail Proteus works in both kiting and fleet environments.
For kiting you basically fly it like an expensive rail deimos with enhanced point range. It's a bit slow though, but there are ways to deal with that...
As far as I know there are several entities who use rail proteus in fleet warfare (med and large scale).
Since the med rail buff they are tankier than legions, with less tracking but better range flexibility.
(Don't pin me down on that, I'm not an expert on this scale)
For solo work you would have to make sure nothing get's under your tracking.
I've seen people using heavily buffered cloaky rail proteuses for ambushes and gatecamping. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
422
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:33:00 -
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thetwilitehour wrote:This thread is full of awful misinformation.
Confirming.
Rail Proteus are amazing in Medium>Large scale engagements, 600-700 DPS out to around 30 with CNAM, 300K+ Tanks and bonused tackle is a mean package, they are basically just better pulse Legions. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:11:00 -
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The real question is, why use a rail Proteus when you can use a rail Tengu? |
Leokokim
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
The Camel Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:51:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:The real question is, why use a rail Proteus when you can use a rail Tengu?
One of several resaons: because then you can use Armor Lokis for webbing instead of having to rely on squishy Huginns? |
vyshnegradsky
Love Squad
Pasta Syndicate
173
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:44:00 -
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100mn AB shield rail proteus. That is all.
This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:13:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:The real question is, why use a rail Proteus when you can use a rail Tengu?
Cause its a tengu... never really liked it.
And ty for all the responses.
-Fly Reckless- |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
565
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:19:00 -
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If you ever crossed paths with a pack of rail-astartes (they shred things), railproteus do the same with longer pointrange.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
7
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:47:00 -
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It's kinda the EVE equivalent of the A-10 Warthog: not pretty, not fast, but literally built like a flying tank. Armored up with six barrels full of bad news looking to ruin someone's day. Not indestructible, but damn tough to kill.  |
RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
18
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Posted - 2014.04.29 12:06:00 -
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Fenris Orion wrote:It's kinda the EVE equivalent of the A-10 Warthog: not pretty, not fast, but literally built like a flying tank. Armored up with six barrels full of bad news looking to ruin someone's day. Not indestructible, but damn tough to kill.
Or just use the long range scramb to stay out of hostile blasterrange and smile with 700+ railgun dps =)
turns you into " not possible to kill due to countering the hostile" |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.04.29 14:52:00 -
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So long range scram, after burner, buffer tank?
-Fly Reckless- |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
186
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Posted - 2014.04.29 16:01:00 -
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Buffer tanked proteus' are stationary objects. Comparatively speaking.
Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
18
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:19:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Buffer tanked proteus' are stationary objects. Comparatively speaking.
No.
1.4k ms, capstable mwd, 700 dps range to 60k, 200k+ ehp & 60-80k point is stationary ? |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
373
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:13:00 -
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RcTamiya Leontis wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Buffer tanked proteus' are stationary objects. Comparatively speaking.
No. 1.4k ms, capstable mwd, 700 dps range to 60k, 200k+ ehp & 60-80k point is stationary ?
Please post this fit good sir.
I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio
199
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:57:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:The real question is, why use a rail Proteus when you can use a rail Tengu?
Last I EFT'd it, rail Tengu damage was pretty awful. Granted, it's been at least 6 months (if not longer) since I messed with a rail Tengu fit in EFT to see if it was even worth buying the sub and fittings.
"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!" |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition
Dustm3n
111
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:24:00 -
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Hrett wrote:RcTamiya Leontis wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Buffer tanked proteus' are stationary objects. Comparatively speaking.
No. 1.4k ms, capstable mwd, 700 dps range to 60k, 200k+ ehp & 60-80k point is stationary ? Please post this fit good sir. Ive never sat in a proteus, but it is training now. This sounds like I shant ever need to train anything else again.
Sounds like it has links.
-Bl+¦d
http://bloodytravels.blogspot.com/ -á-- My travels through space. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
374
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:40:00 -
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Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:Hrett wrote:RcTamiya Leontis wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Buffer tanked proteus' are stationary objects. Comparatively speaking.
No. 1.4k ms, capstable mwd, 700 dps range to 60k, 200k+ ehp & 60-80k point is stationary ? Please post this fit good sir. Ive never sat in a proteus, but it is training now. This sounds like I shant ever need to train anything else again. Sounds like it has links.
That part I figured. I think there might be a dash of bullshit too.
I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
423
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Posted - 2014.05.01 09:18:00 -
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Well other than the 700 DPS to 60K, its more like 30-40, thats mostly on the money, in fact the EHP is on the low side, you can easily pull 300K with links and slaves. |
RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
18
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:04:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Well other than the 700 DPS to 60K, its more like 30-40, thats mostly on the money, in fact the EHP is on the low side, you can easily pull 300K with links and slaves.
64,8k opti 22,5k falloff with ~ 500 dps
700 dps @ ~ 40-45k then it will decrease, should have cecked the absolutely correct numbers first, right ? ;)
however true sansha warp disruptor + loki boosts => 55,9k pointrange
But yes of course with at least skirmish links, otherwise its imposible, however a proteus allready reaches 1,2k ms with 1 1600m plate when using MWD, railproteus deal ~ 700+ dps with drones however they only have 4 midslots
"Cheap" basicfit, of course you can spend more money on it ;) or switch the damp with tracking computers to get your 700 dps even at 50k ;)
[Proteus, Proteus - DPS-Buffer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Republic Fleet 10MN Microwarpdrive
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I
True Sansha Warp Disruptor
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Valkyrie II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
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Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line
Sky Syndicate
176
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Posted - 2014.05.01 14:50:00 -
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Rail Proteus works fine in pvp, you just have to adjust to the 'not in everyones face' style. Let HAM Legions do the short range work, they have better dps projection anyway. Rail Proteus sit twenty out and pick things apart.
Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful.
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