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Vetraband	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Vetraband on 18/05/2006 16:30:50 is it me or does lvl 4 mission loot suxor more than lvl 3 ? i have done over 40 lvl 4 missions and although theres ALOT of junk ... it is ... without exception junk .... its nothing like lvl 3 , where you would get the occasional beta or local hull mod or a +3 implant here or there .... wtf is going on with lvl 4?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:31:00 - [2] Got a miner 1 again? --- The Eve Wiki Project
Vetraband	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:32:00 - [3] lol no it was fat finger syndrome im afraid
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:48:00 - [4] Edited by: The Wizz117 on 18/05/2006 16:48:03 u are not suposed to loot. u only loot dread guirista/faction stuf and nothing else ! its a waste of time
Dolly Parton	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Vetraband Edited by: Vetraband on 18/05/2006 16:30:50 is it me or does lvl 4 mission loot suxor more than lvl 3 ? i have done over 40 lvl 4 missions and although theres ALOT of junk ... it is ... without exception junk .... its nothing like lvl 3 , where you would get the occasional beta or local hull mod or a +3 implant here or there .... wtf is going on with lvl 4? i got a beta cargo extender doing lvl 1 mission, maybe i'll stick to them
MuffinsRevenger	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:50:00 - [6] i allways get kind of depresed when a 1.1 million BS drops 100 small thorium charges, or like yesterday, a survey scanner Originally by: The Wizz117 jeez those guyz @ ccp talk like sweedish nobody will take u seriouse with that cind of accent.
FawKa	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:28:00 - [7] Originally by: The Wizz117 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 18/05/2006 16:48:03 u are not suposed to loot. u only loot dread guirista/faction stuf and nothing else ! its a waste of time Lol? Think I got 4-5 local hull expanders and builded a BS this month for loot reporcessing - not to say the rest of the nice items thats sold.. You should try out a hauler with overdrives and an AB... geez
Sean Dillon	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:32:00 - [8] Lol if we all get rare drop every lvl 4 mission we do, sure price will crash and then even the good loot becomes worthless if that is what you want.
Hasan Rachid	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:32:00 - [9] Originally by: The Wizz117 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 18/05/2006 16:48:03 u are not suposed to loot. u only loot dread guirista/faction stuf and nothing else ! its a waste of time Mostly crap loot i agree but the good bits make up for it. I've also built 3 battlecruisers and a battleship from reprocessed loot this month, sure beats mining.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:38:00 - [10] That crap loot earns me about 150 million ISK a week, so I ain't complaining. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:39:00 - [11] Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 18/05/2006 17:40:07 loots allways been junk lol somtimes u get lucky though. got 2x local hulls ,1x beta hull mod and 2x 22% expanders on serp pirate invasion yesterday usually dont see any good expanders for weeks. oh but one thing i noticed importaint level 4 missions are usually crap and worse than even crappy missions like duo of death or the score. seriously usually some crappy reward for barely any isk and not worth the standing hit! i got loads of imp rewards from l3 agents on l4 ive got 1 and it was a pos charisma
Caethes Adain	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:48:00 - [12] Yup, most loot is absolute crap. Fortunately all those mods do add to the mineral pile, which in turn means lots more shiney ships, or free ammo at least.
Alessandra Grey	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:49:00 - [13] Just finished L4 extravaganza. ALL crap loot. Not one item that marketed for over 100k. However, all that crap loot, when either sold or reprocessed and ore sold, combined with mission bounties and rewards netted me 23.8 million. Not bad for a couple hours work in empire. _______________________ ...Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada...
Fuujin	Posted - 2006.05.18 18:08:00 - [14] Yep! nothing but garbage loot, i've stopped bringing out the hauler to grab cans after big missions since it's just a waste of time. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Tyranical Teabagger	Posted - 2006.05.18 20:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Alessandra Grey Just finished L4 extravaganza. ALL crap loot. Not one item that marketed for over 100k. However, all that crap loot, when either sold or reprocessed and ore sold, combined with mission bounties and rewards netted me 23.8 million. Not bad for a couple hours work in empire. Absolutly. I bet me and my bro/corpmate have 100 mil in minerals in the loot in our corp hanger. run mission. Bring in nano'd indie with tractors and AB to quickscoop loot. wait a couple weeks. Refine junk modules, make ammo and sell what goes unused. After this we still have enoug good modules to for 50 ships.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.18 20:15:00 - [16] It's better than refining 9 of the best named Damage Controls a year ago (they were useless back then). No such thing as crap loot. No matter how many billions I get (how do you think I get them? lol). ~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.05.18 21:18:00 - [17] its funny when people say you shouldn't loot... it only takes a few minutes if you do it right, (tractor beam, nanofibered indy) and some VERY good loot is dropped among the crap. maybe when you count your money in tens of billions or something the top-named (but not officer or faction) modules are worth ignoring if they cost all of 30 seconds's effort... yes, theres alot of just plain trash. but theres also large amounts of lesser-named stuff... which at least for SOME people is nice to be able to have stuff a LITTLE better than produce-able without having to buy it. backup equipment and such. but I guess some people are just too l33t for that. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.18 21:52:00 - [18] The odd gem does come up. If you collected all the loot you'd prolly have enough mins for a bs now
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.05.18 22:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Kel Shek its funny when people say you shouldn't loot... it only takes a few minutes if you do it right, (tractor beam, nanofibered indy) and some VERY good loot is dropped among the crap. maybe when you count your money in tens of billions or something the top-named (but not officer or faction) modules are worth ignoring if they cost all of 30 seconds's effort... yes, theres alot of just plain trash. but theres also large amounts of lesser-named stuff... which at least for SOME people is nice to be able to have stuff a LITTLE better than produce-able without having to buy it. backup equipment and such. but I guess some people are just too l33t for that. The problem is that it does not take "just a few minutes if you do it right". Unless you use an alt on another account. More often than not, you would be better off just finishing the mission and moving on to the next mission. That said, since they brought in Tractor beam, I use an indy to loot :) Even though I have broken down the calculations and I would be better off not looting. I have a Tractor beam set up on my Raven and I still kill stuff a lot faster than I can tractor beam in the loot. It is not a matter of being l33t it is a matter of simple math. I am better off doing 3 level 4 missions than doing 2 level 4 missions and looting ... way way better off. Now for the disclaimer: This is valid for "most" missions there are a couple worth looting.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.05.18 22:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Arakasai Originally by: Kel Shek its funny when people say you shouldn't loot... it only takes a few minutes if you do it right, (tractor beam, nanofibered indy) and some VERY good loot is dropped among the crap. maybe when you count your money in tens of billions or something the top-named (but not officer or faction) modules are worth ignoring if they cost all of 30 seconds's effort... yes, theres alot of just plain trash. but theres also large amounts of lesser-named stuff... which at least for SOME people is nice to be able to have stuff a LITTLE better than produce-able without having to buy it. backup equipment and such. but I guess some people are just too l33t for that. The problem is that it does not take "just a few minutes if you do it right". Unless you use an alt on another account. More often than not, you would be better off just finishing the mission and moving on to the next mission. That said, since they brought in Tractor beam, I use an indy to loot :) Even though I have broken down the calculations and I would be better off not looting. I have a Tractor beam set up on my Raven and I still kill stuff a lot faster than I can tractor beam in the loot. It is not a matter of being l33t it is a matter of simple math. I am better off doing 3 level 4 missions than doing 2 level 4 missions and looting ... way way better off. Now for the disclaimer: This is valid for "most" missions there are a couple worth looting. man, you must have really bad luck in one way or another. I will admit, SOME missions are such that the chance of getting anything good in the loot is so infintesimal that its not worth the bother. and how does it not take only a few minutes? go out, kill everything, dock, undock in nanofibered-sigil(2 tractor beams, sensor booster, afterburner) and vacum it all up... maybe for some reason your loot is being strewn all over creation? I do it in a dominix... and this isn't usually THAT much of a problem. and my sigil with nanofibers and named afterburner goes pretty darn fast for an indy. but like yesterday on a mission I got an Internal Force Field Array from a can on a mission. I've seen several named cargo expanders, handfuls of named guns, named repairers, hardeners, ect... gotta wonder how people who throw away money manage to get to a point where they feel they can readily throw it away. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.05.18 23:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Arakasai on 18/05/2006 23:22:19 Edited by: Arakasai on 18/05/2006 23:18:49 I kill 1 Battleship in a level 4 mission and I make 1 million isk. I kill much much faster than I loot. Even if you even it out to about 85k per ship, I kill a ship much faster than I pull in a can. And that is simply on bounty, not even factoring in the LP conversion or the Storyline mission loot. So, you finish the mission, you fly back, you activate a hauler, you fly out and you loot, then you fly back in the hauler, you activate your combat ship, you ask for another mission and you fly out. Even in the same system it does not take "a couple of minutes" to loot using a loot ship. It takes a couple of minutes just to fly there and back. Then you have to lock on and reel in 20+ cans. For most missions, I could run a second mission in the same amount of time it takes me to loot a mission. You generally get something worth bothering to sell rather than to reprocess once about every 10 missions or so. Is it so hard to believe that 5-10 million and 3000 - 5000 LP plus storyline missions about 2x as fast does not put you in a better position than looting the cans? Lets say I get something every 10 missions worth 20 mill to sell (Unlikely). Alternatively I could run an additional 10 missions, yielding me 30k LP which is worth about 70 mill. Not to mention the additional bounties and the additional storyline loot. I will take the 2 +3 implants over the beta cargo extender any day. Now if I was doing Angel instead of Gurista missions, perhaps these numbers would come closer together. You would probably still be better off doing the mission over looting though.
Ediz Daxx	Posted - 2006.05.18 23:18:00 - [22] Life seems to be tough in empire space. Im glad i dont live there.
VeNT	Posted - 2006.05.18 23:18:00 - [23] refine it or give it to me -------------------- You'll never take my Sig Alive mods! DEATH OR GLORY! Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Tennyson 4tw! ~kieron
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.05.18 23:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Arakasai Edited by: Arakasai on 18/05/2006 23:22:19 Edited by: Arakasai on 18/05/2006 23:18:49 I kill 1 Battleship in a level 4 mission and I make 1 million isk. I kill much much faster than I loot. Even if you even it out to about 85k per ship, I kill a ship much faster than I pull in a can. And that is simply on bounty, not even factoring in the LP conversion or the Storyline mission loot. So, you finish the mission, you fly back, you activate a hauler, you fly out and you loot, then you fly back in the hauler, you activate your combat ship, you ask for another mission and you fly out. Even in the same system it does not take "a couple of minutes" to loot using a loot ship. It takes a couple of minutes just to fly there and back. Then you have to lock on and reel in 20+ cans. For most missions, I could run a second mission in the same amount of time it takes me to loot a mission. You generally get something worth bothering to sell rather than to reprocess once about every 10 missions or so. Is it so hard to believe that 5-10 million and 3000 - 5000 LP plus storyline missions about 2x as fast does not put you in a better position than looting the cans? Lets say I get something every 10 missions worth 20 mill to sell (Unlikely). Alternatively I could run an additional 10 missions, yielding me 30k LP which is worth about 70 mill. Not to mention the additional bounties and the additional storyline loot. I will take the 2 +3 implants over the beta cargo extender any day. Now if I was doing Angel instead of Gurista missions, perhaps these numbers would come closer together. You would probably still be better off doing the mission over looting though. ahh, ok. I see. I'm just not in enough of a hurry >_< I fly a dominix... only the easiest missions(which I admit, are not always worth looting) could I kill even half as fast as I can loot.. if it took you half the time it took to kill everything, to loot it, (an additional half, that is, like if it took 10 minutes to kill, it take 5 minutes or less after it to loot) would you loot? I also very rarely sell any of my loot... some is for reprocess, but alot of it is just kept for backup equipment and all... ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.05.18 23:45:00 - [25] Well lets apply similar math, using the LP payout only. 2 missions + loot versus 3 missions Similar layout, 3000 LP per mission vs 20 mill loot item over 10 missions. So essentially 10 missions + loot versus 15 missions straight up. Roughly 2300 isk per LP, with those additional 5 missions, I make an additional 15k LP. 2300 * 15000 = 34.500 million isk. So, probably not :) And this is rather light in all honesty. The mission reward + bonus + additional bounty + additional storyline loot should much more than even out the non-rare loot you gain.
schurem	Posted - 2006.05.18 23:59:00 - [26] I guess it comes down to play style. you sir are obviously the calculating min/maxing type, to whom nothing has meaning but the numbers. Others like the thrill of the find. They check out every can just to see if that internal forcefield thinger is in there this time. No one style is better than the other. just understand that what is logical and obvious from the one viewpoint isnt from the other. <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>> Typhoon for the win. Nastier than whats faster, faster than whats nastier!
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.05.19 00:30:00 - [27] Edited by: Arakasai on 19/05/2006 00:31:42 Originally by: schurem I guess it comes down to play style. you sir are obviously the calculating min/maxing type, to whom nothing has meaning but the numbers. Others like the thrill of the find. They check out every can just to see if that internal forcefield thinger is in there this time. No one style is better than the other. just understand that what is logical and obvious from the one viewpoint isnt from the other. Well, thank you for judging me by your own narrow standard. I did not say nothing has meaning but the numbers, I merely supplied numbers to outline my arguement rather than debating with no supporting material. Nor was I attempting to enforce a particular mindset, but thanks for wandering by and schooling me on understanding viewpoints. You might also note where I said I load a tractor beam on my Raven and I loot with my Indy. So, I can well appreciate the thrill of the find, not that I find much mind you. However, you and I would likely be better off not looting. I also rather enjoy the thrill of a storyline mission, wondering if this storyline mission will bring me something exciting. However, all of the above does not make it more lucrative to loot rather than just run missions. Not that this should stop anyone in and of itself, merely that people should be aware that it is not a lucrative. If looting makes you happy, then by all means do it, however understand your choice and the options available, for uninformed choice is rather like no choice at all.
Benglada	Posted - 2006.05.19 00:32:00 - [28] Mostly because level 4s payout rediculous amounts of money. Tbh they should just do away with level 4s. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.19 03:48:00 - [29] Meh, so you get what, 10mil ISK including bonus from a lvl 4 GE or AE? How much do you make from the bounties on a lvl 4 GE? Its not the rewards for the mission that's giving tons of money, and missions aren't the reason people can make far more isk in 0.0 belts.
Thetys	Posted - 2006.05.19 03:56:00 - [30] Edited by: Thetys on 19/05/2006 03:56:12 for me it's something like: bounty 30%, loot 20% and lp offers 50% of the net income with lvl 4's greets thetys

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