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Vishnupriya Sarasvati
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:24:00 -
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Hello. Myself and my two friends are getting heavily into Eve, and I've been wondering as to what balance of ships we should plan for as a general guideline. I myself intend to pilot Battleships as my primary goal, whereas one of my friends has expressed a large interest in speed and agility, thus I suggested an Interceptor as his route.
With these two ship-classes in mind, what might the third want to focus on? Or, are the two choices above already the wrong direction?
For reference, we plan to do pretty much anything combat related. Missions, Ratting, and PvP. I know setups will vary, but we want to work well together and cover our bases.
Thanks so much.
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Talos Munjab
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:26:00 -
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command ships or battlecruiser are good for gang warefare, hacs also a good middle ground. but for group warefare then my first choice stands
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:26:00 -
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I would suggest a recon/jamming ship. It will allow you to take on greater numbers wiht a few guys.
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Angus McLein
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:28:00 -
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Lol well you could do the standard EVE 3 man setup. 2x Ravens (Caldari Battleships) and 1x Scorpion (Another Caldari Battleship).
Scorpion Jams while the ravens send your target to high heaven with cruise missiles.
(Except your first buddy wouldnt exactly have the speed he wants, but you sure would make an amazing team)
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:29:00 -
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A cov-ops for scouting may also interest your third man. With that and the fact that I agree with the recon ship comment go with a pilgrim/falcon/rapier/*gallente cloaking recon* for your third, should be awesome.
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Merin Ryskin
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:35:00 -
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Get a Falcon. It does three very important things:
1) Scouts the fight. You should rarely lose if you're careful, since you'll know what you're facing before you warp in.
2) Sets warp-in points for the gang. Now instead of warping in at a random distance (which may or may not even be in range to fire), all the other ships in the gang warp in at their optimal range.
3) Jams the target. While you don't have quite as much power as the Rook, you still have huge ECM bonuses. So you'll be massively cutting down on the amount of damage all of you are taking. Sure, tanking is nice, but every successful jam cycle (and you'll have a LOT of them) means those shields/armor stay up longer.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
And earlier in your careers, you get the Buzzard which does #1 and #2 just as well.
And can kind of do number 3.
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
A cov-ops for scouting may also interest your third man. With that and the fact that I agree with the recon ship comment go with a pilgrim/falcon/rapier/*gallente cloaking recon* for your third, should be awesome.
I concur.
A cloaking EW ship would be a great addition to the mix. It can be used to bring your other ships into perfect range to tackle and pounce on the opponent. While he is occupied, uncloak and EW away. A cloaked ship is a natural addition to any gank squad because it adds that bit of suprise to the mix. With the availability of recon ships, any other cloaking choice (covert ops frig) for a 3 man gank squad could be viewed as ineffective if not. . .
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:51:00 -
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battleship isn't really the best to pvp in if you want to stay mobile...
A group of recon ships with perhaps one interceptor can do so much more, so much faster ;)
But yeah, as everyone else said earlier, the third guy should deffo go for arazu/falcon imo... (damps/ecm)
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:58:00 -
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I've found the best mix for a small gang to be:
One tackler/scout
One EW platform
One damage *****
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:15:00 -
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Tharsis generally aims for 4 man gangs:
- Tackler
- EW
- Ganker
- Ganker
For a 3 person, subtract a ganker
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:20:00 -
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Your friend should train minmatar frigs. And then fly a stilleto. There's so many people out there with stabs its not funny anymore
You should train... err what ever, all the BS's are pretty well balanced.
And your other friend, the guy who doesn't know what he want's to do...
He could train for anything really. Let him figure it out. If it were me, I'd have a jammer there, but thats just me.
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Vishnupriya Sarasvati
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:24:00 -
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Hmm. This is good.. very interesting.
The person I mentioned that had expressed interest in Interceptor style ships had also expressed interest in stealthy operations, but I initially warned him away (based on my knowledge of the pathetic stealth bombers and whatnot when I last played). Can the Falcon warp while cloaked, like Covert Ops ships? A lot of mention was made concerning warping in and setting warp-in points for the gang, and such. I would assume you'd have to warp in while cloaked to be able to do that.
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Tovarishch
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:34:00 -
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For PVP give some serious thought to having your friend contemplate flying Interdictors. The combination of heavy firepower (HAC or BS) with an EW cruiser (Blackbird... or even better a Falcon for scouting reasons) and an Interdictor can present a truly ugly trio for a group of opponents of even twice the numbers.
And yes, a Falcon can warp while cloaked. It is an incredibly useful ship to have a wingman piloting.
Hope it helps... good luck!
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Merin Ryskin
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vishnupriya Sarasvati
Hmm. This is good.. very interesting.
The person I mentioned that had expressed interest in Interceptor style ships had also expressed interest in stealthy operations, but I initially warned him away (based on my knowledge of the pathetic stealth bombers and whatnot when I last played).
Stealth bombers aren't really pathetic, they're just demanding in player skill and especially patience. And they only require skills you want anyway (cruise missiles for battleships, covert ops for scouting), so he might as well get one if he likes the idea.
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Can the Falcon warp while cloaked, like Covert Ops ships? A lot of mention was made concerning warping in and setting warp-in points for the gang, and such. I would assume you'd have to warp in while cloaked to be able to do that.
Exactly. All the force recon ships can warp while cloaked. They're covert ops frigates with some minor DPS and some major EW ability. Oh, and a huge ISK price of course, but they're more than worth it.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.05.19 07:55:00 -
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Your best bet will be IMHO to get 1 interceptor to tackle (MWD 2 warp scramblers), 1 Raven to WTFPWN and 1 covert op to scout, so you will have eyes where you don't want to be seen. Later the cov op may be upgraded to force recon with t2 gear for added WTFPWNge.
As always, remember to remember your fellow players with a little ECM, they will not love you for it, but it reducec the cost of having to get new ships every now and then.
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cytomatrix
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: cytomatrix on 19/05/2006 22:27:34
Originally by: Vishnupriya Sarasvati
Hmm. This is good.. very interesting.
The person I mentioned that had expressed interest in Interceptor style ships had also expressed interest in stealthy operations, but I initially warned him away (based on my knowledge of the pathetic stealth bombers and whatnot when I last played). Can the Falcon warp while cloaked, like Covert Ops ships? A lot of mention was made concerning warping in and setting warp-in points for the gang, and such. I would assume you'd have to warp in while cloaked to be able to do that.
Whoa whoa whoa.... Stealth bombers are not pathetic. Have you ever flown one? They are not impressive as other ships. But they are certainly not pathetic.
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:39:00 -
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falcon suggestions are good. It's the only class of ship I have yet to train one of my chars for. But soon (tm) :)
warping whilst cloaked and bringing ew to the dance is sexy.
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Vishnupriya Sarasvati
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Posted - 2006.05.20 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: cytomatrix
Edited by: cytomatrix on 19/05/2006 22:27:34
Originally by: Vishnupriya Sarasvati
Hmm. This is good.. very interesting.
The person I mentioned that had expressed interest in Interceptor style ships had also expressed interest in stealthy operations, but I initially warned him away (based on my knowledge of the pathetic stealth bombers and whatnot when I last played). Can the Falcon warp while cloaked, like Covert Ops ships? A lot of mention was made concerning warping in and setting warp-in points for the gang, and such. I would assume you'd have to warp in while cloaked to be able to do that.
Whoa whoa whoa.... Stealth bombers are not pathetic. Have you ever flown one? They are not impressive as other ships. But they are certainly not pathetic.
To clarify for those whom didn't know, I was talking about seven months ago. People tended to view SB's with relative disdain due to their ineffectiveness, back then. I remember, because that is what I had hoped to pilot back then.
I've heard good things about them now, though.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.05.20 00:21:00 -
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I'd say the perfect gang needs a covops as well as a tackler, EW, and damage dealers... Makes it a little bigger, but it also adds valuable intel that you simply can't get without a covops...
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:07:00 -
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If your friend loves speed then he should definitley train a lot of nav skills :D and ceptors would be nice.
Your friend would have loved the days of 10km/s Punishers :D
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:55:00 -
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my suggestion:
2x ravens + vigil
For further information, shin ra should be the one.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:09:00 -
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What Lukec said rly.
Only I d use a stilleto.
2 Ravens = 1 full Ewar and 2 gankers ergo your 3 man gang is now rly a 4 man gang.
Goood option is also 1 interdictor and 2 snipers but thats rly more applicable to chikepoint gankage than a mobile gang.
Finally if you have SPs allready you could do worse than Vagabondx3 with armour tanks and tackling - EW mids for a rly mobile gang.
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Bacchuss on 20/05/2006 09:33:05
2xblasterthrons or NOS+EW domis and a falcon
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchuss
Edited by: Bacchuss on 20/05/2006 09:33:05
2xblasterthrons or NOS+EW domis and a falcon
Not good, you have to get in range... with ravens you sacrifice vigil while you spam javelin torps from 80km...
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Bacchuss
Edited by: Bacchuss on 20/05/2006 09:33:05
2xblasterthrons or NOS+EW domis and a falcon
Not good, you have to get in range... with ravens you sacrifice vigil while you spam javelin torps from 80km...
yea, but how many can you keep scrambled, vigil will just die and enemy warp out
plus mwd on throns/domis= mobile
and looks cooler (exept domis, but they make it up in uberness)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:42:00 -
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You can stick mwd on raven. Plus you don't need to dominate range, as you have best short range weapon.
Mobile... get some instas.
Also tacklers don't die if they aren't locked:P
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
You can stick mwd on raven. Plus you don't need to dominate range, as you have best short range weapon.
Mobile... get some instas.
Also tacklers don't die if they aren't locked:P
you do have a point there ( exept not locked, as far as i know you wont be able to jamm much from 80km, unless you in scorp/falcon )
but cmon, thron is so much cooler plus calradi are scum
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Mahavy Seth
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:55:00 -
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3 apoc vampires with ECCM 60%. All ships fall on kneels when unable to activate modules.
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cytomatrix
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Posted - 2006.05.20 12:10:00 -
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Forget about Raven if you wanna pvp. Use someother BS or a Hac.
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