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DarknessInc
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Posted - 2006.05.19 07:57:00 -
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which one is more Effective for Ratting in 0.0 Angel and which is good for PvP
and if possible, can I get some setups for each variant?
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Mikel Crenshaw
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Posted - 2006.05.19 08:22:00 -
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Well so far I can only speak for the Wolf. From what I can see, since the Wolf has the least optimal resistance spread (unless going up against the Amarr) it wont be the best tank of the AF's. So in that light set it up to use speed to it's advantage and use all those weapon slots to get a decent DPS and you should be good.
From looking at the Jag, it looks like it could have a mean shield tank with its resists so if you want to try that out, it may not do the damage of the Wolf but it will likely be faster and more survivable.
As for which is better in PvP, I have no clue. I can see the Wolf being great for gate camps and maybe even tackling. More experienced pilots will probably have better advice than this for PvP.
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Kard Fater
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:20:00 -
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IMHO Wolf is unusable for tackling, not near enough midslots for it. Jaguar is better for tackling purposes, but I suggest the Tier1 interceptors or a Vigil for that role.
For PvP AFs are mostly unusable, except maybe the Ishkur (T2 light drones and dualNOS).
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Evil's Dawn
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Posted - 2006.05.19 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Evil''s Dawn on 19/05/2006 09:53:23
Never mind
I use both the Jag and Wolf on a fairly regular basis.
Wolf:
Very good at sniping (for a Frig). Can get set up at 40k with 250 II's and Tremor and hit reliably. Throw some tracking mods on an |
HankMurphy
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Kard Fater
For PvP AFs are mostly unusable, except maybe the Ishkur (T2 light drones and dualNOS).
now thats just silly.
Basically comes down to what you need. DPS or Tackling. For pve i would go with the wolf (extra turret does wonders). Wolf can fill the AC or Art. role just fine.
Jag is ok too, but much more suited for pvp with the upper hand on midslots.
Kard. Pray you dont find a good wolf pilot willing to prove you wrong.
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Kard Fater
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:50:00 -
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Wolf...I always wanted one of those. I can fully T2 fit it, just didnt found a good, proven setup yet to use it solo. I would be very glad if someone could tell a good PvP setup for it, keeping in mind that not a lot Amarr ship flies around where I live.
For 280II-s artillery the Thrasher rulez at gatecamps, for 150II I prefer the Rifter and the Punisher. I have a Jaguar waiting for the changes in the patch, and a Hawk also.
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ElMartino
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:26:00 -
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Why do u prefer the Rifter over the Jaguar? (Except for the isk reason). I like all 3 of them, but are not sure if the Rifter can be used in solo pvp or gangs with 3 or 4, it just dies too fast.
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MacDuncan
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: ElMartino
Why do u prefer the Rifter over the Jaguar? (Except for the isk reason). I like all 3 of them, but are not sure if the Rifter can be used in solo pvp or gangs with 3 or 4, it just dies too fast.
Wrong...just YOU are dying in it so fast...:P
In a gang w. ceptors the rifter is a better ship, both AF are way too slow/sluggish and for sure, iskie-wise, the rifter wins app. 1-10...:-)
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ElMartino
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:57:00 -
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Then how do u fit ur Rifter and where do u use it for? In solo pvp against cruisers, tech2 frigs u probably get into trouble.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.05.20 02:56:00 -
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A rifter is better than an AF when accopanied by interceptors? Theres a new one...
Wolf is better for everything that an AF is good at. Jaguar is still waiting on an extra mid or a shield bonus or something to make it stand out. Some folks force-fit the jaguar though. I never feel comfortable in that one.
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2006.05.20 05:58:00 -
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Okay realise this, AF's are slow, the jag was meant to be speedier.
The wolf wasnt
Therefore i equip a web and scrambler, and let the enemy come to me (or im quick about targetting)
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Tel Bakhara
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:21:00 -
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You can fit Jagur and Vagaband as passive shield tankers.
Well, after I fit them I started to praying for shield power relay II.
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc
which one is more Effective for Ratting in 0.0 Angel and which is good for PvP
Thrasher.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Kard Fater
For PvP AFs are mostly unusable, except maybe the Ishkur (T2 light drones and dualNOS).
now thats just silly.
Actually, I completely agree. I'd never fly an AF when I could fly a cruiser instead. Although comparing two ship classes is a bit weak, AFs are *not* good tacklers. They're gunboats, but they're sluggish, and vulnerable in many ways. There's not really a reason to fly any of them over a T1 cruiser, other than the Harpy (uber rail platform) and Ishkur (uber drone platform). And soon, the Hawk too (uber pwn everything platform).
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InsanlyEvlPerson
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:34:00 -
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the wolf is reli good, cant speak for the jag, but the DOT on the wolf rox, i have used it mostly in pve and gawd it tears up triple 195k BCs spawns with only light armor rep use. as for pvp, it is feasable, but u have to use an AB and 7.5km scram, and hope to outrun the other guy, which in my line of work usually mean underarmed bigger ships, so i have no issues.
as for the jag, idk, never flown it. looks nice int he speed/sheild area, but it reli needs to go to a better slot layout, maybe 5/4/2 set it for sheild tanking, opposite the armor tanking wolf, then it might be mean enuff for me to use. until then i'll keep my wolf for damgare reasons.
o yes, MUST fit 4 ACs and an RCL to get decent DOT 
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Kard Fater
For PvP AFs are mostly unusable, except maybe the Ishkur (T2 light drones and dualNOS).
now thats just silly.
Actually, I completely agree. I'd never fly an AF when I could fly a cruiser instead. Although comparing two ship classes is a bit weak, AFs are *not* good tacklers. They're gunboats, but they're sluggish, and vulnerable in many ways. There's not really a reason to fly any of them over a T1 cruiser, other than the Harpy (uber rail platform) and Ishkur (uber drone platform). And soon, the Hawk too (uber pwn everything platform).
I've taken down Ferox', stabbers, caracals and moas with an enyo.
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Landsraad
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Kard Fater
For PvP AFs are mostly unusable, except maybe the Ishkur (T2 light drones and dualNOS).
now thats just silly.
Actually, I completely agree. I'd never fly an AF when I could fly a cruiser instead. Although comparing two ship classes is a bit weak, AFs are *not* good tacklers. They're gunboats, but they're sluggish, and vulnerable in many ways. There's not really a reason to fly any of them over a T1 cruiser, other than the Harpy (uber rail platform) and Ishkur (uber drone platform). And soon, the Hawk too (uber pwn everything platform).
I've taken down Ferox', stabbers, caracals and moas with an enyo.
I've taken down Ferox', stabbers, caracals, and moas with a rifter... That doesn't mean that T1 frigates can take down cruisers easy. It just means those pilots sucked!
AFs are seriously lacking as a ship class. They need their 4th bonus and missing slots.
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