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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:25:00 -
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Voip Solution
Further to my post here and Oveurs blog id like to look at some sollutions.
VOIP has alot of promise, i will give CCP that, it could revolutionise the way we fight in EvE in regards to organisation and so on, the voice-mails were very appealing also.
But one thing still bothers me and alot of people i have spoken to, the fact that people have to pay exclusivley to use it, thus splitting the community into the non-voip and voipers.
So what could CCP do to sort this out?
Im not sure everyone will like this, but mayby increase the monthly charge of our accounts by 5% Almost equalling out at 50p(uk) and 75-80cents(US).
There are over 100,000 accounts in eve now which are active apparently so lets do the math
With 100,000 accounts paying 50p it means that the overall amount is 50,000 pound every month, now dont get me wrong im sure it will cost alot to maintain the VOIP servers but 50,000 pound a month should cover it and more.
So, ccp why not increase the monthly fee by 5% and allow everyone use of the VOIP system rather than being (uninentionaly) discrimantive.
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:27:00 -
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I rather see that, Then haveing to pay "extra". 
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:29:00 -
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agreed
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Znaei
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:30:00 -
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I like that solution.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:30:00 -
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me too
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:31:00 -
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Come on, why arenŠt people able to download a free software and to type in an IP-address??? Now our DEVs waste their ressources on this and the end is that i get "hate-voice-over-IPs" all day. Screaming little kids on my headset, please no! 
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Lifewire
Come on, why arenŠt people able to download a free software and to type in an IP-address??? Now our DEVs waste their ressources on this and the end is that i get "hate-voice-over-IPs" all day. Screaming little kids on my headset, please no!
Hey Life mate, the dev blog Oveur wrote says they have at best only spent 8-9 hours on the VOIP which imo is fair, if it does what it intends im glad they thought of it, but id just like them to make sure everyone can use it.
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:34:00 -
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Can we all wait to b!tch about this till we find out how the payments are going to work? Maybe a corp will be able to rent a server (currently how TS and Vent work) and the corp members don't have to pay anything, we don't know, so can we stop jumping to conclusions?
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:34:00 -
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Siriously tho, their is one easy fix to get everyone to use it. Do your ransoming and wardecs and everything else with the voice service 
-you didnt ask for cash?
-I did, I said, give me 5mill!
-damn I need to get VoIP...
And about screaming kids, on xbox live we mute em, or just ignore...
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Swethren
Can we all wait to b!tch about this till we find out how the payments are going to work? Maybe a corp will be able to rent a server (currently how TS and Vent work) and the corp members don't have to pay anything, we don't know, so can we stop jumping to conclusions?
Swethren
"Maybe a corp will be able to rent a server".. Its still extra payment sir.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:37:00 -
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Sorry, but i donŠt want to hear those people! My home is my castle and to hear whining carebears over my speakers will also anoy my family! I play EVE 3 years now and i am used to hear the pirate songs we sing all day. I really dont want to hear "you f...... pirate pr...!!" all day!
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xoria Krint
Originally by: Swethren
Can we all wait to b!tch about this till we find out how the payments are going to work? Maybe a corp will be able to rent a server (currently how TS and Vent work) and the corp members don't have to pay anything, we don't know, so can we stop jumping to conclusions?
Swethren
"Maybe a corp will be able to rent a server".. Its still extra payment sir.
Again, TS and Vent servers are not free, so someone, at the end of the day is still footing the bill.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:50:00 -
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I'd agree to a general sub increase too.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:56:00 -
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Yes, i agree. Oveur or kieron said they would try to keep the fee down, but its much better to increase subscription fees just a little. This feature will be most useful if everybody has it.
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:58:00 -
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Oveur did saw we would get to try it for free. So maybe, just maybe, this solution really is the "dogs *******s", if it isn't, don't use it, use your "free" TS.
I know, I'm going to like this new system, it's going to bring a whole new level to fleet engagements and the way gangs work all together.
If I end up paying a extra ú1 a month, so be it, I've been playin for over a year and I haven't seen a price increase (has there every been one?), EVE is by no means expensive and expansions are free.
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:00:00 -
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Agreed to slightly raising the monthly fee, making it optional is a bad idea imho.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 19/05/2006 15:06:53
I donŠt care about the money, but i simply donŠt want to hear carebears over my headset or speaker when they scream about their lost ships. So there must be a VOIP-off button. Otherwise i need 2 pcs, 1 for TS and one MUTED pc running EVE, lol.
Btw: i see evil Šsploit potential since VIOP can dramatically lag you out if 15 people send to you at the same time. That is another reason to make sure it can be disabled - completly disabled and disabled on the server, because if itŠs on the client, you still can be lagged with EVE VOIP.
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
I donŠt care about the money, but i simply donŠt want to hear carebears over my headset or speaker when they scream about their lost ships. So there must be a VOIP-off button. Otherwise i need 2 pcs, 1 for TS and one MUTED pc running EVE, lol.
Yea you have said that three times now.
And some of us cares about the money.
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The Gauge
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:07:00 -
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I think the 'optional' use of VOIP for an extra fee is going to be discriminatory. I've also joined several corps where the use of TeamSpeak is mandatory. This situation will only create Corporations where the CCP VOIP is mandatory, too, and thus for people to join certain corps they will inevitably be forced to pay extra in order to play ball.
I'm all for inbuilt VOIP. TeamSpeak, contrary to popular belief, is not free. A dedicated server host for anything more than a paltry amount of users costs money to subscribe to, and for all the advantages of it being external to EVE there are an equal number of disadvantages.
Bring in VOIP, raise the subscription cost slightly and let's get on with playing EVE where everyone is on a level playing field.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:14:00 -
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So lets sum it up:
pro:
- VOIP software ingame
contra:
- costs money
- costs developper time/ressources
- can be used to lag people out in combat
- will be used to all kind of harrassment
- will probably cause lag on the server even if CCP adds special servers to handle the traffic. If itŠs ingame, it will affect the game!
I donŠt know...if it has a off-button do what you want, unless please NO!
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
So lets sum it up:
pro:
- VOIP software ingame
contra:
- costs money
- costs developper time/ressources
- can be used to lag people out in combat
- will be used to all kind of harrassment
- will probably cause lag on the server even if CCP adds special servers to handle the traffic. If itŠs ingame, it will affect the game!
I donŠt know...if it has a off-button do what you want, unless please NO!
Did you even read the dev blog?
Another company is doing it, they develop it, so the CCP dev time is minimal, they already stated as much.
How can it be used to lag people out, it's not CCP's bandwidth being used, it the other companies, it's why we are paying them, they are hosting it and its thier bandwidth. If you have a problem with limited bandwidth, then don't use it, but then you wouldn't be using TS either, so no loss there.
How can it be used for harrassment? You can mute, kick, bascically anything you can do in a normal channel, you can do with the VOIP option.
Please go read the dev blog.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:21:00 -
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I'm not really sure about this whole VoIP integration.
Pricing ?
Billing ?
A second license agreement ?
2nd support team/channel ?
Alliance/Corp servers ?
Would each corp have to pay for their own server ?
Can one corp allow another on to use their server ?
What would happen if 2 alliances wanted to do a joint op, back to TS if one of the alliances don't have this option ?
What if one corp in alliance doesn't want to pay for the service because they already have a TS server ?
The thing most people seem to forget, is that a lot of the TS servers are running on a corp/alliance web server, which is going to be there anyway. And I doubt that there are many "TS only" servers in use.
This whole VoIP has me asking more questions about the infrastructure rather than the coding/integration time a CCP developer might have to invest.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
So lets sum it up:
pro:
- VOIP software ingame
contra:
- costs money
- costs developper time/ressources
- can be used to lag people out in combat
- will be used to all kind of harrassment
- will probably cause lag on the server even if CCP adds special servers to handle the traffic. If itŠs ingame, it will affect the game!
I donŠt know...if it has a off-button do what you want, unless please NO!
you dont know this at all. And we dont know the charge and if/how a corp CEO/alliance can buy for everyone.
And developer time/resourses apparently not alot to non existant. Harrasment well boohoo, again Xbox Live been going for years with open to all voice comm and overall NOONE would like to remove it.
And lag abusin hmm, no clue.
and off button MOST LIKELY! come on. Can allways mute or leave the freakin voice channel...
and CCP wont use special servers. And it wont affect ingame more then you using TS now according to tech.
And bottom line noone will know untill the thing is out, so your contra list doesnt make sense.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:38:00 -
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Im really hoping for a Dev response to this so that we know they are taking our view into concideration.
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:50:00 -
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...or CCP could not bother reinventing the wheel in the first place.
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: GlimmerMan
...or CCP could not bother reinventing the wheel in the first place.
The idea of voice communication ingame is awesome. But to pay extra for it.. Is just wrong imo.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:43:00 -
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I'd rather see a forced subscription increase than making it optional.. or heres another novel idea, let EVE China foot the bill if its sole purpose is to make money for CCP to expand their game. Its time those chinese started pulling their own weight, and ours!
On an additional note, please make the registration of ingame voice channels cost isk. Real isk sinks are needed badly.. and it prevents the potential spamming and crashing of Vivox's hosting with a billion redundant channels.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:52:00 -
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what if u have more then 1 accound and u do have to pay that evry month....
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 19/05/2006 16:53:53
NO to a forced sub increase for everyone.
why should this 3rd party company come to eve and demand more $ from us, for something most of the player base never even asked for????????????????
how about we fix the drones first.
i mean, what use are heavy drones now for example? nobody uses them, utterly gimped. lets not foget all the other issues of them attacking gang mates and not returning to ship and everything else.
And i dont want VOIP mails either, why on earth do i want an answerphone on my email? the one on my phone is annoying enough as it is. Email is email, as in id rather read it thanks, you cant copy and paste system names or whatever from a voice mail.
They are clutching at "cool toy" straws in order ot make you want to use it and no doubt think of ways to force you to use it (which wont get mentioned, just ambushed on us)
Teamspeak is more than adequate, it does what its supposed to and it works OUT of game too, and *drumroll* it works for any game you want too. wow, now thats amazing, and its free. So shove the voip thing where it dont shine thanks. 
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan
wow, now thats amazing, and its free. So shove the voip thing where it dont shine thanks.
Since whenh as bandwidth and server provision been free?
It may be Free for you to use but someone along the line is paying for the service that you ignorantly are using.
I'm still waiting to see a trial for this before I would consider putting any money towards this and I most certainly will only put money towards provided my fellow corp mates would do the same.
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