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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:29:00 -
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I have attempted to reach an agreement to settle this once and for all. I spoke with rayven offering a 24 hr ceacefire while negotiations are had he did not have the ability or power to set the wheel turning i then added that we would not run active squads into your space and asked he did the same,..... I am now informed that there is indeed a fleet of NFC in 3jn right now my only raction to this is contact me ASAP to get the ball rolling or i will run an active squad to begin the removal of NFC this weekend once and for all.
if an agreement has not been made today I will not enter into any further talks.
The Agreement that FLA would accept is as follows
1- 3jn remains under the control of FLA as there home (the same as sparta alliance has a station)
2- The FLA-NFC will work together to stablise the area from agressing corps/alliances.
3- Alek and Burn eden will remove there selves from the area effective immed of the peace deal being completed.
4- After a 3 month period there will be a meeting with FLA and NFC over the future of 3jn with a possable handover if it benifits both alliances.
5 - My forces will return to the area only if a The fighting re occurs or if your region is attacked via an outside force as to where i will commit both my capital ship fleet and Active pilots to the defence of your region if under severe attack.
It is a simple at that there is not other terms or demands being made i suggest that NFC do one thing and that is contact me ingame ASAP as i am away this weekend and will not be avil till monday you have 2 hrs and counting .
Frag Out
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
Zorn Owens
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:36:00 -
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omg, how many more threads, but at least this drama adds a lil difference to the usual BOB BOB BOB threads in this forums.
heads up, i like to follow your battles on your killboards 
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marcouk2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Dek never was open for neutrals when Iron was there and somehow i doubt if that has changed or will change in the future.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Synergy. supports a treaty that benefits both sides and that brings stability to the region. The goodwill in this conflict seems to come from FLA at the moment, so we in Synergy. urge the command in NFC to come to the table and try to solve this conflict. Our diplomats are on standby in case our assistance would be needed to come to a viable agreement.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:42:00 -
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I suspect that NFC will not be destroyed over this.
The leadership will probably collapse and new members will take over or they will accept peace talks and then new members will still take over. 
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God is on the side with the best artillery.
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marcouk2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Kyguard
I suspect that NFC will not be destroyed over this.
The leadership will probably collapse and new members will take over or they will accept peace talks and then new members will still take over.
They may well not be destroyed but if FLA+friends are able to continue their successes then they certainly look capable of severly hurting NFC's ability to be an effective alliance no matter who its led by.
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:04:00 -
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Talks are now under way i thank The NFC leadership for the prompt action
Let there be peace..
Frag Out
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:10:00 -
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for the love of Zid er i mean Zydrine get this sorted.  
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Top Quote
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:13:00 -
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/signed
lets hope they manage to come to a agreement :)
Peace out y'all
"Arrogance and Stupidity all in one package - How efficent of you commander"
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Zlake
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:40:00 -
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Whatever happens, can everyone please stop smacking everywhere. Local...forums....anywhere. That is starting to get real old. And the smack from both sides is real un-original I might add.
At least fight a war, if that is what this is, without that. Not trying to personally attack anyone but it is real annoying seeing all the smack.
Z
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zlake
Whatever happens, can everyone please stop smacking everywhere. Local...forums....anywhere. That is starting to get real old. And the smack from both sides is real un-original I might add.
At least fight a war, if that is what this is, without that. Not trying to personally attack anyone but it is real annoying seeing all the smack.
Z
agreed
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:33:00 -
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Alek members can now stop posting to this forum an agreement has been met and we will begin our exit from the area.
thanks Frag.
"What i have posted Is what i think and in everyway relates to what my alliance feels, it does not however effect my real life or make me want to warp scramble my sister and blow her head off |
HeavyMetal
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:35:00 -
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signed
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Zidock
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sypher313
for the love of Zid er i mean Zydrine get this sorted.
Hey I resemble that remark...
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Trinity Faetal
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zidock
Originally by: Sypher313
for the love of Zid er i mean Zydrine get this sorted.
Hey I resemble that remark...
you mean, you resent that remark 
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Yseult Atreus
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trinity Faetal
Originally by: Zidock
Originally by: Sypher313
for the love of Zid er i mean Zydrine get this sorted.
Hey I resemble that remark...
you mean, you resent that remark
yes 0f course he does. It's an old sitcom joke
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Gerdan BloodELF
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Posted - 2006.05.20 16:19:00 -
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Why is Penetrate anchoring a Large Caldari Control Tower in WUZ ?
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Trinity Trixx
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Posted - 2006.05.20 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gerdan BloodELF
Why is Penetrate anchoring a Large Caldari Control Tower in WUZ ?
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It's part of an agreement. Speak with your leaders.
Trin
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Dragonmorph
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Posted - 2006.05.20 19:38:00 -
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The ceasefire is thankfully holding and it has been good to remake aquaintences.
However, the time agreed for reciprocal docking rights has come and gone. FLA has, as agreed allowed docking in 3JN. As yet, no such rights have been granted to FLA in any of the other stations.
I would urge the NFC leadership to continue the courage they have shown thus far and honour those agreements already made ahead of further negotiations
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David Hope
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Posted - 2006.05.20 20:30:00 -
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You should have it as far as I can tell.
Evemail me the corp of people who can't dock.
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Clansman
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Posted - 2006.05.20 21:49:00 -
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Corp101 (NROCA) certainly can't dock at CZD. :(
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XxAngelxX
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Posted - 2006.05.20 22:15:00 -
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There's bound to be teething issues, and they are being addressed. The closer we work together to resolve this, the quicker it is going to be sorted. As far as I know we are currently working on granting all FLA corps access to the NFC owned stations, and sparta will be doing the same. Sparta are mainly american based, which might be the cause of the delay.
Patience is a virtue! Peace is ftw.
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Clansman
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Posted - 2006.05.20 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Clansman
Corp101 (NROCA) certainly can't dock at CZD. :(
Apparently this is sorted. :)
CM
Lofdaedum sceal in maegpa gehwaere man gepeon |
Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: Idunyken on 21/05/2006 04:00:58
Originally by: Kyguard
I suspect that NFC will not be destroyed over this.
The leadership will probably collapse and new members will take over or they will accept peace talks and then new members will still take over.
Ok...this point ends here.
This peace agreement is being designed to the benefiet of the NFC and the FLA. FLA have been successful in proving that they are a strong and honourable alliance and not at all what they were portrayed to be by whoever started this war. The NFC now recognise this and are committed to restoring trust between all of deklein's proud residents.
At times in this conflict i've heard it said that the NFC was close to collapse, that it was floundering, that it was incapable of making peace. This was NEVER the case. The NFC remained strong throughout this conflict and there was never any question of a split over differences of opinion.
To clear up questions of NFC's honour, here is a summary of the events in the NFC leading up to this peace agreement:
FLA propose a cease fire agreement in a meeting with Rayven Darkwolf of the NFC. Rayven tells FLA that it is not his call to accept such an offer. This is the TRUTH. The decision to make peace does not fall to this ONE MAN. He has to take it back to the president and second vice president of the NFC and the final descision to make peace falls to a senate vote. Unfortunatly FLA took Rayven's statement as a sign that the NFC do not want peace, even as a sign that Rayven was being deliberatly difficult to avoid peace.
We now switch to the military front, this is what happened the day before the cease fire:
In 3jn a combined force of FLA and Alektrophobia attack a small POS belonging to SHILL corp of the NFC. NFC form response fleet and head up to 3jn. While they are making their way the small POS is taken into reinforced mode and an attack is begun large POS belonging to GTU. The NFC fleet arrives and the FLA/alek force withdraws their attack. Skirmishing followed and damage assessed. A plan was made to come back to protect the small POS when it came out of reinforced. The NFC fleet leaves.
The day of the cease fire:
The fleet to support the 'rescue' of the small POS is formed and prepares to move out. During this time the peace proposal presented by FLA had been considered and was seen as a good idea. The fleet commander was informed of this but the fleet continued to form, since there was still a fuel truck to be escorted and shields on the small POS to recharge. Avril Dewar, president of NFC sent a reply to FLA saying that the proposal of a cease fire was seen as acceptable by the NFC. Shortly thereafter she received a reponse. FLA refused. The reasons for this I do not know and i'll let FLA answer that one if they wish. The fleet went to 3jn, locked down the gate and serviced the POS.
It became apparent as time went on that FLA were not resisting the fleet in 3jn, and from talk in local it looked like FLA were still waiting to see if this could be resolved peacefully. A senate meeting was planned for that night and an hour before it was to take place an emergancy meeting was called to vote on whether the NFC would ask again if FLA wanted a cease fire. Most corps were able to attend and issue breifly discussed before a vote was taken. The descision was unanimous. NFC wanted peace. An offer was sent to FLA again and the cease fire was put into effect. The fleet withdraws with kind words exchanged in local from both FLA and NFC pilots.
FLA, I hope that we can all get over and beyond this conflict and recognise each other as the strong entities we are. It is still my hope that the vision of dek residents working together for a strong region can still be realised. It is still my hope that the name 'NFC' will be remembered not for this war, but as the Northern Freedom COALITION. A coalition of people, including FLA, cooperationg to make as strong a region as can possibly be made.
Thank you for reading this long, long post :)
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Idunyken
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Idunyken on 21/05/2006 04:13:18
Edited by: Idunyken on 21/05/2006 04:12:53
...be made.
Thank you for reading this long, long post :)
sorry for the double post but I ran out of letters 
The above post is my own opinion and based on my experience of the events leading up to the cease fire. It is not an official statement by NFC and I apologise to anyone who feels i've said too much but I felt there were things in there that needed to be said.
Thank you
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sHERU
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken
The above post is my own opinion and based on my experience of the events leading up to the cease fire. It is not an official statement by NFC and I apologise to anyone who feels i've said too much but I felt there were things in there that needed to be said.
Thank you
A opinion that I share.
Signed
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Cockroach
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:03:00 -
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Thanks Idunyken. From what i understand the first ceasefire proposal from Avril was rejected because of missunderstanding. To FLA the ceasefire proplosal came across as....
"ok everyone stop shooting now, NFC conditions still apply leave Deklein or die"
Once it was established this was not what NFC was meaning but rather....
"ok everyone stop shooting now, lets talk."
Then a ceasefire was agreed.
Let it be known that within 2 hours of the comencement of the cease fire Sparta alliance and Arrow project immeadiately began to establish POS's within FLA soverignty claimed space, this was seen by FLA as a hostile act under a flag of truce. The POS's were eventually removed (some 8 hours later) after numourous attempts by FLA to contact NFC to ask just what was going on. This of course has left a bitter taste in FLA's mouth even after an apology by the NFC.
In the meantime some more talks have started but from what i understand NFC are dictating terms to the FLA as to where FLA are allowed to place POS's without any agreement talks between both NFC senate or FLA council. Systems (1 constellation in particular,) seen as being the home for FLA within Deklein since FLA was invited to Dek by the previous ruling body, is in dispute and further talks and agreements need to be reached. Rather than dictate to FLA where they can and cant place POS's i believe the way forward would in fact be trade agreements for the exchange of moon minerals between NFC/FLA/SPARTA and not "sorry FLA thats our moon, you can have that moon over there"
FLA have also been told that they are allowed to keep 3JN system and station as if this was a favour to the FLA. 3JN station is a moot point and not open for any kind of deal making at this time. 3JN was taken by FLA out of necessity for somewhere for FLA pilots to dock and will remain so as long as FLA remain in Dek or until such a time as the trust between our alliances is such that other agreements are arranged. Docking rights etc at 3JN station should now be open for all NFC pilots as all other docking rights for FLA at stations in Deklein should now be open for all FLA pilots.
From what I understand, only 1 constellation within the entire region of Deklein is considered by FLA as their home base from which FLA can operate as a succesful industrial production alliance. This constellation will not only provide Deklein residents a generous market of mods and ships produced by FLA at reasonable prices, but also i think a pivotal point in securing the continued ceasefire and peace talks between our alliances.
I would also suggest to NFC senate that NFC'c own "Dekcom" channel be reopened to FLA. Lets get our pilots and alliance members talking also, not just the leaders of NFC/FLA and encourage intra operations between our alliances.
Let the peace talks continue, with each passing minute our respective alliances become stronger in the defence of Deklein from outside forces.
These are my own opinions and not those of FLA but a suggestion to help the process of peace talks continuing.
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David Hope
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Posted - 2006.05.21 13:13:00 -
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Many things remain to be solved by I think the biggest hurdles have been cleared.
I was expecting your leadership to contact me again today, but perhaps they are busy. What we are looking at is a situation of mutual negotiation, and if you have the impression that one side or the other is trying to dictate terms then I am sorry you have gained that impression.
There is no reason for FLA not to have access to the regional security channel and I will organise that with your leadership when I speak to them.
Cockroach, if you personally or any other FLA member have any issues you want to discuss, convo me, Avril, or Rayven.
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Cockroach
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Posted - 2006.05.21 13:22:00 -
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Many thanks David.
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Lagrub
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Posted - 2006.05.21 13:26:00 -
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DWDA cannot dock at CZD yet. Any idea when this is going to be fixed?
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