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Kovox O Omega Co 0	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:44:00 - [1] - Quote pretty new to the game with about 4 months played but can't figure out or find out why a ship will take 1x or 5x the amount of time to go into warp - same ship same circumstances but sometimes 1x other times 5x spooling time - so much emphasis on details and tweaking a couple of percentage points but this thing really makes a diff and can't figure out why a BS, for instance, goes into danger territory as far as shield/armor left thinking there's time to warp, yet that same ship takes way longer to actuate the warp sometimes, regardless of circumstance, could be a diff peaceful base or in a battle, no damn way of figuring out why or when warp prep takes fast or slow thanks for any info
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1635	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:46:00 - [2] - Quote Alignment? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Karen Avioras Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult 463	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:48:00 - [3] - Quote Bigger Ships do stuff slower
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3723	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:50:00 - [4] - Quote Karen Avioras wrote: Bigger Ships do stuff slower This * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Kovox O Omega Co 0	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:00:00 - [5] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Karen Avioras wrote: Bigger Ships do stuff slower This yup, figured that, I'm asking about same ship, same circumstance, taking 1x on Monday, 5x on Tuesday
Ren Coursa Rapid Withdrawal 9	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:00:00 - [6] - Quote Sounds like he is saying that the same ship some times take longer than other times, that has nothing to do with size of the ship. Might be mwd/ab differences you are noticing or you are being bumped without noticing. Also time seems a hell of a lot longer when yo are trying to warp away from danger. Also tidi maybe? Don't think there is any randomization in align so shouldn't be happening without an external cause.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3723	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:05:00 - [7] - Quote Kovox O wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Karen Avioras wrote: Bigger Ships do stuff slower This yup, figured that, I'm asking about same ship, same circumstance, taking 1x on Monday, 5x on Tuesday You would need to explain the situation you were in on Monday when you noticed it and then the situation on Tuesday. And if "the same", what was the actual situation? * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 927	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:13:00 - [8] - Quote Ren Coursa wrote: Sounds like he is saying that the same ship some times take longer than other times, that has nothing to do with size of the ship. Might be mwd/ab differences you are noticing or you are being bumped without noticing. Also time seems a hell of a lot longer when yo are trying to warp away from danger. Also tidi maybe? Don't think there is any randomization in align so shouldn't be happening without an external cause. It is when the ship has an existing momentum vector that is sideways to the desired alignment. It describes a curve whilst it cancels out the old momentum and accelerates along the new course. Although each course chosen by the engine seems reasonable to me, from an observers point of view the randomness in initial and desired vectors will make the final correction time randomly different all the time. Also the actual point of warp may always fall on a server tick which is a further visible variable (that may have no impact on whether you get locked and scrammed or whether you get into warp). There is also a side effect in that during that process the ship will always show a considerable speed, which makes people think they are nearly ready to warp, and they may pass well past the warp threshold before the ship has cancelled out the smallest parts of the old vector - which it has to do increasingly slowly to not overshoot. If you accelerate from a stop, the ship will go into warp pretty much as it hits the threshold, in a very consistent time.
Kovox O Omega Co 0	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:14:00 - [9] - Quote ok, thanks all, I shoulda figured with all the emphasis and slots put into alignment, and with the diff in anything being expected auto compared to doing it directly, that aligning the ship first would make a huge diff
Shederov Blood Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1104	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:16:00 - [10] - Quote If your ship is moving before you attempt a warp, the direction it's going can have a huge effect on your alignment time. If your ship is moving near top speed in the same direction as the warp, it will go into warp instantly. However, if you're going full speed in the opposite direction, it will take ages in a large ship.

Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3723	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:22:00 - [11] - Quote Kovox O wrote: ok, thanks all, I shoulda figured with all the emphasis and slots put into alignment, and with the diff in anything being expected auto compared to doing it directly, that aligning the ship first would make a huge diff I dont know what this sentence means, but my first thought would be that you had your AB or MWD turned on in the second instance, and not in the first. * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Kovox O Omega Co 0	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:52:00 - [12] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Kovox O wrote: ok, thanks all, I shoulda figured with all the emphasis and slots put into alignment, and with the diff in anything being expected auto compared to doing it directly, that aligning the ship first would make a huge diff I dont know what this sentence means, but my first thought would be that you had your AB or MWD turned on in the second instance, and not in the first. happened to all ships and I just didn't realize importance of aligning first - same as using auto pilot and wondering why it takes so long to jump gates, anything auto is a compromise - always wondered why everybody makes a big deal of keeping aligned in low/null, now I know :)
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 1033	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:07:00 - [13] - Quote Kovox O wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Kovox O wrote: ok, thanks all, I shoulda figured with all the emphasis and slots put into alignment, and with the diff in anything being expected auto compared to doing it directly, that aligning the ship first would make a huge diff I dont know what this sentence means, but my first thought would be that you had your AB or MWD turned on in the second instance, and not in the first. happened to all ships and I just didn't realize importance of aligning first - same as using auto pilot and wondering why it takes so long to jump gates, anything auto is a ~~compromise~~death scentance - always wondered why everybody makes a big deal of keeping aligned in low/null, now I know :) fixed that post for you. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3727	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:09:00 - [14] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Kovox O wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Kovox O wrote: ok, thanks all, I shoulda figured with all the emphasis and slots put into alignment, and with the diff in anything being expected auto compared to doing it directly, that aligning the ship first would make a huge diff I dont know what this sentence means, but my first thought would be that you had your AB or MWD turned on in the second instance, and not in the first. happened to all ships and I just didn't realize importance of aligning first - same as using auto pilot and wondering why it takes so long to jump gates, anything auto is a ~~compromise~~death *sentence* - always wondered why everybody makes a big deal of keeping aligned in low/null, now I know :) fixed that post for you. fixed that fix for you * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3727	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:10:00 - [15] - Quote Kovox O wrote: happened to all ships and I just didn't realize importance of aligning first - same as using auto pilot and wondering why it takes so long to jump gates, anything auto is a compromise - always wondered why everybody makes a big deal of keeping aligned in low/null, now I know :) Ah ok no problem, glad to be of help :) And yeah, never do anything on auto-anything * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 1033	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:12:00 - [16] - Quote lol, good catch. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼


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