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MrOogie Boogie Oogie Boogie Inc 1	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:56:00 - [1] - Quote Yes I am posting as an alt, i'd prefer not to attract attention to my smallish WH corp. But I had a question So I have been doing wh's off and on since the start. I usually do a pot based system, i.e. all gas, salvage, blue loot, ore, pi, etc goes into a pot, and everything is made into t3 stuff and/or is sold and divide among everyone who contributed. I have also done a modification of this, where as the blue loot is sold and divided among the people who ran an op and the rest goes into a pot. The latter worked great when i was first in wormholes, and the former works good on a small scale. But I am thinking of possibly expanding in the future. So I was curious how larger, more experiences corps (and alliances) make iskies in wormholes, both for the corp to fund fuel, and for the members. So if you all don't mind sharing, it might help me out. I have an idea, but i'd like to compare it to others.
Kaea Astridsson Yggdrasil Woodchoppers Noir. Mercenary Group 24	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:09:00 - [2] - Quote Not sure, but I seem to recall it being mentioned in one of the guides in the stickes. Island Among the Stars.
MrOogie Boogie Oogie Boogie Inc 1	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:19:00 - [3] - Quote Kaea Astridsson wrote: Not sure, but I seem to recall it being mentioned in one of the guides in the stickes. Island Among the Stars. i'll take a look there, but practical experience would help too
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2198	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:31:00 - [4] - Quote MrOogie Boogie wrote: Yes I am posting as an alt, i'd prefer not to attract attention to my smallish WH corp. But I had a question Ah don't be afraid. We are a smallish WH corp and me being a prolific forum troll hasn't gotten us evicted...yet. I have tried to keep things as simple as possible. For the corp I created a "dues" system. I take all the corp costs (fuel, corp ships/assets and replacement fund) and divide that monthly cost by the number of people in the corp (actual toons not players). that is each members monthly "dues". I did it this way as I am not trying to make the corp coffers bloated, but there are minimum monthly costs that need to be accounted for. I have also found it clears out dead weight. At the same time the amount is low enough even a largely AFK player can make enough to cover it plus make some iskies for themselves. The corp also makes a small amount off the POCO taxes. For site running I use the "Jack can method" After some site running, all loot is put in a can. Can is named with the members involved. When the loot is sold it is split equally between those players.
mechform Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy 81	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:48:00 - [5] - Quote MrOogie Boogie wrote: Yes I am posting as an alt, i'd prefer not to attract attention to my smallish WH corp Scary the wh forums are, tread with care. Don't forget to tell a friend where you are going, and make sure to eat your entire gift bag. Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 336	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:48:00 - [6] - Quote Also smallish. If you find the right hole, PI can be beneficial. I have a corpmate that makes decent money running a couple of alts. Gas harvesting, especially useful in your statics. Running sites? Of course. We had a couple of guys that liked to mine, but they didn't stay active that long. Guess mining wasn't that interesting. They made decent money. Probably not profitable? PVP... at least for us.
HTC NecoSino Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 82	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:58:00 - [7] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Ah don't be afraid. We are a smallish WH corp and me being a prolific forum troll hasn't gotten us evicted...yet. For the corp I created a "dues" system. The corp also makes a small amount off the POCO taxes. For site running I use the "Jack can method" That's exactly how my old C5>C3 corp ran and we were all fairly happy. Kept most everybody happy. 0% Tax the PI though, and roll in the cost of the POCOs for 3 months of dues or something. Pretty sure a couple higher-ups did line their pockets well, but we were all having fun, had isk and didn't mind
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 565	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:10:00 - [8] - Quote For one, 0% tax on PI is pretty vital in wormholes. That aside, depends on size and location of your group. In c5/c6, it doesn't really make sense to bother with anything besides capital escalations and shooting c320-clouds. Radars are nice aswell, but they're a solo-thing. If you live in non-capital space, shooting sleepers should still be the fastest way to accumulate ISK. Rules like all oruze-loot goes to corp can make for massive income and allow you to run programs like free vexors in corp hangars or free POSfuel for Jxxxyyy. Wouldn't throw all PI etc. into one pot and divide evenly, such a move kills ambition among your memberbase. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" Moving pictures
Jack Miton Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate 3302	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:41:00 - [9] - Quote I mostly run WHs Occasionally I get Blue Fire to run an expo for me and they steal their 10 bil orca. you know, the usual shrug (if youre main income is PI, i feel bad for you) Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Keith Planck Rolled Out 763	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:07:00 - [10] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Occasionally I get Blue Fire to run an expo for me and they steal their 10 bil orca. AW SNAP aka Pony Lord Planck
Rall Mekin End-of-Line Sky Syndicate 316	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:15:00 - [11] - Quote delete http://imgur.com/yEQqAeb
Rall Mekin End-of-Line Sky Syndicate 316	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:16:00 - [12] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Occasionally I get Blue Fire to run an expo for me and they steal their 10 bil orca. AW SNAP Life is so unfair, even when Ponies are involved. http://imgur.com/yEQqAeb
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation 442	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:28:00 - [13] - Quote 1. Undock 2. ? 3. ! 4. $#@^ 5. Someone else profited. Try again. SJD I invented Tiericide
Ilaister Task Force Proteus Protean Concept 86	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:55:00 - [14] - Quote Lately, our corp is poor. Our members are poor (by WH standards at least) but that's mainly down to people logging in all month and cwtching for pew instead of sleepers. That's cyclical though, like everything relating to Eve/WH life. Most months, we rat the static. This keeps corpies in T3s with a spreadsheet subbing for your jack can method. Means it's easier to work out the maths, requires lots less clicking when you're selling loot, and deals nicely with the problem of people running different numbers of anoms per ratting 'session'. 10% tax on sleeper loot keeps things relatively egalitarian and allows us to take on and support newbros despite their lack of contribution isk-wise. What that doesn't do is pay for all the POS fuel. Hole invasions, the odd orca catch, WH or exit sale - or rarely now, ransom - supplements the corp wallet well enough but most directors have reached into their own pockets to keep things running. Like the idea of 'dues' and it seems more and more common but surely too discriminatory for most lower-class groups with wider recruitment standards? Some interesting points/ideas in this thread though. Hope the discussion continues, as it's not as simple as directing everyone to the VOLTA page and copying corp financial arrangements by rote in J-space.
Trinkets friend Kenshin. Northern Coalition. 1402	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:56:00 - [15] - Quote I guess there's a divide between player ISK and Corp ISK. When I ran BUGRY, we had the 10% sleeper loot tax in place and 10% corp and POCO tax of 5%. This worked out well enough that corp got fleeced for 6 billion by a Director, which isn't much, but it's enough to keep the POSes running. However, tracking the income, POCO tax made up about 40% of the ISK on most weeks, because you'd only every so often have a real binge of ratting sleepers. Sleeper loot made up most of the rest, and missions tax <10%. This depends if you get your corp blacklisted from incursions by a mass target painting effort to fix sec status and have the incursion bear FC's wetting themselves in fear of Vigils. Some other corps I've been in, they were making more money off incursion tax than anything else. Some corps have hisec POCOs earning a bit of ISK, and I'm actually surprised that more hisec POCOs don't flip from time to time. I personally wouldn't suggest it as a way of subsidising the corp wallet in a serious fashion unless you like hisec "PVP". But you could get lucky and bag a good planet with a few dedicated PI alts living in system that give you 5M ISK per day. However, the majority of ISK that used to be made was from PVP. Corp policy was that non-shiny loot went to corp and got sold. When your corp is killing 100-200 ships a month in PVP, corp earns probably 500-2,000M ISK from pew pew. So, get out there and pew pew. If you suck, at least someone else's corp is going to be making money from your wrecks! YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Senn Denroth Lazerhawks 186	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:24:00 - [16] - Quote Yea, run an expo and get 10b Don't spend it all in one place, etc Also, people don't like alts posting in WH forums. It would have been far better posting on your main, and endearing. How are you going to step up in WH space later on down the track if nobody knows you?
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 437	Posted - 2014.04.30 03:46:00 - [17] - Quote I'm already in a hole, currently thinking of rebuilding my old corp (this is oogies main) and making it a full on WH corp/alliance. I ask because i want to be sure my corp can earn some iskies to feed pos. The pot method is working for now. but when i grow idk. i'm thinking of just having the corp buy everything (blue loot, salvage, gas, ore, etc) at -10 to 15% jita. Then either making t3 stuff and selling ti for more profit or selling it hole to recoup the tax. I think this might be fair for members, as if they want they can scan and haul the crap out themselves, but in the long run they would make more iskies as then i could do a SRP/PVP incentive program. I just kinda wanted ideas, the dues system might work, but i'm wondering if anyone has done what i am thinking.
Euthanasia Anneto Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate 29	Posted - 2014.04.30 05:12:00 - [18] - Quote A Fee or Due system is a nice way. It does keep track of active persons and so you find yourself doing some HR and are also having your pos's fueled. Keep a Mission sheet per mission you do and keep a fair share for all (everybody happy ;)) + keep a fair share of the pvp loot included You can ofcourse set a certain rule or tax to cover a special branche Keep a fair percentage of the free PI the guy's are having. I'm finding 5% not much imo. But let all gas, ore and PI for them who want it. You might find some interesting who like to do stuff with it and who knows, corpies might get stuff cheaper then what's the market offering. .EC.. of [TOHA], Industrialists with guns. We're overe there, some where and no where... Contacting go through ingame convo's .EC.. and [TOHA] are recruiting, get in contact with us
Sith1s Spectre Rolled Out 945	Posted - 2014.04.30 05:31:00 - [19] - Quote We keep it real simple. 0% tax and everyone is responsible for their living arrangements (ie fueling their large POS) 2 cap escalations from our 2 main timezones are donated per week to fund all our ventures and fuel the communal tower Sky Fighters - WH Space Mercs. -áFor more details https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=286708&find=unread
Angsty Teenager Broski North Black Legion. 320	Posted - 2014.04.30 07:50:00 - [20] - Quote LOL SOCIALISM IN THE WORKS ITT ENJOY YOUR LIFES YOU BLOODY COMMIES. IF U CANT PAY YOU DON"T DESERVE TO PLAY
Blodhgarm Dethahal Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n 110	Posted - 2014.04.30 13:29:00 - [21] - Quote Fuel dues are payed at the very beginning of every month, Cost of Towers divided by players (actual people) = what you owe every month. We use the "Jack Can Method" for site running. Gas is sold to our manufactures to build T3s, Ore is sold to our Rorqual nutcase. We fuel SRP by blowing **** up, all loot from PvP activities is sold and put into a wallet, works pretty well provided you don't welp 4 times over a weekend and then before that leroy 2 carriers :S And of course PI taxes for small trickles. -Bl+¦d http://bloodytravels.blogspot.com/ -á-- My travels through space.
Drak Morgan Bleak Prospects 7	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:06:00 - [22] - Quote Angsty Teenager wrote: LOL SOCIALISM IN THE WORKS ITT ENJOY YOUR LIFES YOU BLOODY COMMIES. IF U CANT PAY YOU DON"T DESERVE TO PLAY Socialism == Communism ??? Not quite right. Communist would mean the tax is 100% of everything and redistribute back to the members to suit their designated needs... socialism is concerned with meeting basic needs to help but doesn't require everything from members. Those with more pay more, those with less pay less... fair taxation based on means... but eve is primarily capitalist in nature. You are welcome for the social studies lesson.
350125GO Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n 37	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:34:00 - [23] - Quote Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: F We fuel SRP by blowing **** up, all loot from PvP activities is sold and put into a wallet, works pretty well provided I don't welp 4 times over a weekend and then before that leroy 2 carriers :S . fixed it for you. ;)
Ilaister Task Force Proteus Protean Concept 86	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:14:00 - [24] - Quote Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: Fuel dues are payed at the very beginning of every month, Cost of Towers divided by players (actual people) = what you owe every month. We use the "Jack Can Method" for site running. Gas is sold to our manufactures to build T3s, Ore is sold to our Rorqual nutcase. We fuel SRP by blowing **** up, all loot from PvP activities is sold and put into a wallet, works pretty well provided you don't welp 4 times over a weekend and then before that leroy 2 carriers :S And of course PI taxes for small trickles. ... and when the scumsucking scrubs don't pay?
HTC NecoSino Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 82	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:35:00 - [25] - Quote Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: ...and then before that leroy 2 carriers :S We saw no carriers :(
Blodhgarm Dethahal Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n 111	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:40:00 - [26] - Quote 350125GO wrote: Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: F We fuel SRP by blowing **** up, all loot from PvP activities is sold and put into a wallet, works pretty well provided I don't welp 4 times over a weekend and then before that leroy 2 carriers :S . fixed it for you. ;) Carriers were totally not my fault.. I blame Flame for that :P -Bl+¦d http://bloodytravels.blogspot.com/ -á-- My travels through space.
350125GO Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n 38	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:42:00 - [27] - Quote Ilaister wrote: Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: Fuel dues are payed at the very beginning of every month, Cost of Towers divided by players (actual people) = what you owe every month. We use the "Jack Can Method" for site running. Gas is sold to our manufactures to build T3s, Ore is sold to our Rorqual nutcase. We fuel SRP by blowing **** up, all loot from PvP activities is sold and put into a wallet, works pretty well provided you don't welp 4 times over a weekend and then before that leroy 2 carriers :S And of course PI taxes for small trickles. ... and when the scumsucking scrubs don't pay? They get kicked. The corp is pretty clear about that.
RudinV Syndicate of Death BLOOD UNION 108	Posted - 2014.04.30 18:09:00 - [28] - Quote What can be more pathetic than mission runners? CEOs who set POCOs taxes to "pay the fuel", if u move to wh and don't know how to fuel ur pos, u don't deserve to be CEO or to live in wspace, stop fooling people around and go back to osmon
Sykarah Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy 12	Posted - 2014.05.01 19:12:00 - [29] - Quote one word..... DaktakGasPak.
Investor Joe Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:43:00 - [30] - Quote You either tax everything so that people who don't log in much can play without spending their little time on grinding or you go fair and just have everyone pay their part and split all the stuff equally. most wh corps that i was trying to get into a month ago seem to use some form of the first method. my opinion is that SRP don't belong in whs, if you can't play enough to grind a tiny amount of time for every ship you lose then you really don't have time for wormholes. but a lot of corps like it because it makes the lemmings happy.

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