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Markie	Posted - 2006.05.21 14:41:00 - [31] we currently have many ongoing wars with every noob corp in game, well on the forums at least.
Avon	Posted - 2006.05.21 15:05:00 - [32] Edited by: Avon on 21/05/2006 15:05:23 Originally by: 3rdD Dave Edited by: 3rdD Dave on 21/05/2006 10:29:52 Quote: I always thought of Lightwave at THE package for animation, especially space scenes, but now it seems it is well up there as a renderer too. lol edit , one of my older works Linkage I am failing to see your point here. Softimage is okay for character stuff, but tbh it isn't a patch on Maya for workflow. What point is it that you are trying to make exactly? That Softimage is good for space type animations? If so, lol back at ya. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Splagada	Posted - 2006.05.21 15:10:00 - [33] a student can get lightwave for free, softimage is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ i used a lot lightwave a few years ago, and it has a really nice way to deal with lights. the lens flare controls are beyond what softimage or 3ds can do skyrender module omfg <3 - Member of [AAST]
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.05.21 15:51:00 - [34] Edited by: 3rdD Dave on 21/05/2006 15:52:51 Quote: I always thought of Lightwave at THE package for animation, especially space scenes, but now it seems it is well up there as a renderer too. lol edit , one of my older works Linkage I am failing to see your point here. Softimage is okay for character stuff, but tbh it isn't a patch on Maya for workflow. What point is it that you are trying to make exactly? That Softimage is good for space type animations? If so, lol back at ya. My point was laughing at your saying LWs render is up there. While capable of broadcast quailty output its not in the same leauge as Renderman or MR. Thats all. Lws native renderer is slow and clunky and other engines have made huge strides in technology. The package it self is fantastic but its render output is lacking. Also Software is okay for character stuff? I really do have to laugh at that statement. Mate i use maya and softimage,I have friends working in the FX industry using both and they hate Maya, but ahve to use for certain shots etc.... and XSi`s workflow outclasess it in very department. in maya everyting is bloody hidden, making you trawl thru listers and tabs which is a major fecking pain.
Madphly	Posted - 2006.05.21 17:28:00 - [35] So I have been using 3ds Max 7 for years doing freelance work... Am I missing out on a lot of other programs by not trying them out? I really have a fondness that is unwavering for 3dsm, and to **** off time learning another program that isn't as diverse would only anger me. I've tryed some other ones for short periods - Lightwave 6.0 & Cinema4d, however I was dissatisfied with their diversity & interface. So am I missing out on something spectacular if I don't try Maya or XSI Softimage? I think their should be some sort of eve art kind of contests - I'd love to be allowed to recreate their ship models or maybe even create one of my own to be in the game. :)
Lou Ping	Posted - 2006.05.21 19:13:00 - [36] Thanks for your kind words. Currenlty my CEO has buddled me into the back of his APOC and is listing me on the auction channel. He wants a Diemos BPO, but will settle for 100 WCS for my services. Just to answer some of the tech questions. Its all done in lightwave. I use HRI and raydiosity for the ambient component and a few simple linear lights for the direct lighting. Also I use FPRIME to render it. Which is about 50 time faster then Lightwaves now ageing native renderer. And I dont 100 mill... Regards Lou
Stogee	Posted - 2006.05.21 19:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Madphly So I have been using 3ds Max 7 for years doing freelance work... Am I missing out on a lot of other programs by not trying them out? I really have a fondness that is unwavering for 3dsm, and to **** off time learning another program that isn't as diverse would only anger me. I've tryed some other ones for short periods - Lightwave 6.0 & Cinema4d, however I was dissatisfied with their diversity & interface. So am I missing out on something spectacular if I don't try Maya or XSI Softimage? I think their should be some sort of eve art kind of contests - I'd love to be allowed to recreate their ship models or maybe even create one of my own to be in the game. :) Depends what your looking for, I use Maya. If your looking for a really good pure modelling and texturing program check out Zbrush. Zbrush is great when used in conjuntion with Maya. I've seen that combination used to great effect by some visual effects artists.
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.05.21 19:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Madphly So I have been using 3ds Max 7 for years doing freelance work... Am I missing out on a lot of other programs by not trying them out? I really have a fondness that is unwavering for 3dsm, and to **** off time learning another program that isn't as diverse would only anger me. I've tryed some other ones for short periods - Lightwave 6.0 & Cinema4d, however I was dissatisfied with their diversity & interface. So am I missing out on something spectacular if I don't try Maya or XSI Softimage? I think their should be some sort of eve art kind of contests - I'd love to be allowed to recreate their ship models or maybe even create one of my own to be in the game. :) mate your not at all. 3ds is a superb app im sure you know.
Zagum Darkfin	Posted - 2006.05.21 19:51:00 - [39] Ya Lou rocks!!
Lou Ping	Posted - 2006.05.21 22:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Stogee Originally by: Madphly So I have been using 3ds Max 7 for years doing freelance work... Am I missing out on a lot of other programs by not trying them out? I really have a fondness that is unwavering for 3dsm, and to **** off time learning another program that isn't as diverse would only anger me. I've tryed some other ones for short periods - Lightwave 6.0 & Cinema4d, however I was dissatisfied with their diversity & interface. So am I missing out on something spectacular if I don't try Maya or XSI Softimage? I think their should be some sort of eve art kind of contests - I'd love to be allowed to recreate their ship models or maybe even create one of my own to be in the game. :) Zbrush rocks. Unfortunatley the way it stores its detail is in the form of a normal map. Lightwave does not atm support normal mapping with out using a fiddly pluging. LW 9 which should be out soon will. I love Z brush... Depends what your looking for, I use Maya. If your looking for a really good pure modelling and texturing program check out Zbrush. Zbrush is great when used in conjuntion with Maya. I've seen that combination used to great effect by some visual effects artists.
ElweSingollo	Posted - 2006.05.22 00:35:00 - [41] must admit some of the work that is done with the sigs fascinates me cause basically I am just a cut and paste merchant on my own ones.... would really love to get into some of these and try and get a bit more advanced with the ones I do but I don't think I have the flair for it that guys like Lou do. Oh and the DICE sig's I must admit are very striking, great job Lou.
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.05.22 01:24:00 - [42] the above sigs mate are easier than you think. Trust me. :)just the guys who done them know what their doing.
Akurion	Posted - 2006.05.22 03:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Lou Ping Edited by: Lou Ping on 21/05/2006 19:20:21 Thanks for your kind words. Currenlty my CEO has buddled me into the back of his APOC and is listing me on the auction channel. He wants a Diemos BPO, but will settle for 100 WCS for my services. Just to answer some of the tech questions. Its all done in lightwave. I use HRI and raydiosity for the ambient component and a few simple linear lights for the direct lighting. Also I use FPRIME to render it. Which is about 50 time faster then Lightwaves now ageing native renderer. And I dont charge a 100 mill... People just pay it cause they luv the work. Here is my sig library http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/renderbuddy/ Regards Lou Lou, Awesome sigs, however I just noticed your thorax is backward. Deliberate?
Avon	Posted - 2006.05.22 05:32:00 - [44] Originally by: 3rdD Dave My point was laughing at your saying LWs render is up there. While capable of broadcast quailty output its not in the same leauge as Renderman or MR. Thats all. Lws native renderer is slow and clunky and other engines have made huge strides in technology. The package it self is fantastic but its render output is lacking. Also Software is okay for character stuff? I really do have to laugh at that statement. Mate i use maya and softimage,I have friends working in the FX industry using both and they hate Maya, but ahve to use for certain shots etc.... and XSi`s workflow outclasess it in very department. in maya everyting is bloody hidden, making you trawl thru listers and tabs which is a major fecking pain. Clearly I was saying that LW had improved, not that it was the best. Personally I think C4D's render output is better, but I would be willing to trade a little render power for LW's aninmation interface (as I remember it). It doesn't do anything that C4D can't, it just seemed easier and more logical. Also, your renderman comment was amusing, as renderman is mostly used as a shader set plugged in to Maya now, and not as the suite it used to be back in the day. In fact, the problem with 3d apps is demonstrated well by this thread. Users of each are so defensive and elitist that they are unwilling to admitt that some packages do some things better. Personally, I'd love to combine a few aspects from lots of apps. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.05.22 06:01:00 - [45] My sig > Dice sigs .. hands down Unnerf Amarr! Proud member of Caldari Provisions
Lou Ping	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:23:00 - [46] Originally by: 3rdD Dave the above sigs mate are easier than you think. Trust me. :)just the guys who done them know what their doing. Ok they are not hand draw pixel by pixel, but the lighting model is quite complicated. Wouldnt say easy. Out of curiosity, which 3d packages do u use and are u a 3D professional ? (im not haveing a go just would like to know).
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:16:00 - [47] Quote: Also, your renderman comment was amusing, as renderman is mostly used as a shader set plugged in to Maya now, and not as the suite it used to be back in the day. erm Avon please shut up now, its obvious you havent a clue what your talking about. Your obviously either dont use Maya or dont know the difference between Renderman and PRrendeman to which i was referring to. its STILL the defracto standard broadcast quality render for film. :) Renderman was like used in the Starwars films and the LOTR triology. Perhaps you know of them ? Lou, Xsi and maya and Zbrush. Ex-pro. Left to pursue family life and an other career. Have friends who in the Fx industry working on films youve seen and one who worked in ILM ( starwars ).
Avon	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:19:00 - [48] Originally by: 3rdD Dave Quote: Also, your renderman comment was amusing, as renderman is mostly used as a shader set plugged in to Maya now, and not as the suite it used to be back in the day. erm Avon please shut up now, its obvious you havent a clue what your talking about. Your obviously either dont use Maya or dont know the difference between Renderman and PRrendeman to which i was referring to. its STILL the defracto standard broadcast quality render for film. :) Renderman was like used in the Starwars films and the LOTR triology. Perhaps you know of them ? Lou, Xsi and maya and Zbrush. Ex-pro. Left to pursue family life and an other career. Have friends who in the Fx industry working on films youve seen and one who worked in ILM ( starwars ). You are a funny chap. I am starting to think that it is you that is clueless. Renderman is not a rendeering suite, it is an API; one which I have used as it has evolved. Pixar, probably the most famous proponants of renderman, use a renderman compliant suite known as PRMan. This gave (at the time) a pretty good 'intergrated' (although not as we know intergrated in modern apps) suite for developing renderman enviroments. It took away much of the need to manually code every aspect of the renderman scene, especially shaders. For later works, especially for more complicated CG character work, Pixar realised a need to better intergrate the workflow of the character artists with the final render and effects team. The charater artists were now mostly using Maya, whilst the output all had to be RM compliant. This lead to the renderman plugin for Maya, which allowed the character artists to use the renderman shader effects (with cool sliders instead of lines of code) directly, with the output being RM compliant (although only a subset of it). This version of renderman was eventually release to the public as a Maya plug-in. As to your problems with the Maya interface, I really can't understand what you mean unless you are trying to use it 'out of the box'. The whole point of Maya is that you can fully customise the interface to better support the job it is used for. Once you know the workflow pattern you can tailor the interface to it - and when you do so it is great. You indications of the films RM has been used for indicate that you probably googled or wiki'd your information, because those are both very poor examples. I can hand code RISpec SL, so don't start telling me I am clueless about renderman. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Logan Williams	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:20:00 - [49] Funny, I don't recall making ransom demands of corp B, C, D, E, or F.....specifically I said DICE. If you're going to debate about how you are better than Lou is at making sigs...prove it. Anyway, the humble way in which Lou has replied and has also tried to help guide us (well, those who have the slightest clue what he's talking about) impressed Caldari Provisions to the point that they kicked me out for being a trouble maker. >Damned bunch of farmers anyway Anyway Lou, very gracious acceptance of praise there and keep up the good work. You're safe............for now.
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Avon Originally by: 3rdD Dave Quote: Also, your renderman comment was amusing, as renderman is mostly used as a shader set plugged in to Maya now, and not as the suite it used to be back in the day. erm Avon please shut up now, its obvious you havent a clue what your talking about. Your obviously either dont use Maya or dont know the difference between Renderman and PRrendeman to which i was referring to. its STILL the defracto standard broadcast quality render for film. :) Renderman was like used in the Starwars films and the LOTR triology. Perhaps you know of them ? Lou, Xsi and maya and Zbrush. Ex-pro. Left to pursue family life and an other career. Have friends who in the Fx industry working on films youve seen and one who worked in ILM ( starwars ). You are a funny chap. I am starting to think that it is you that is clueless. Renderman is not a rendeering suite, it is an API; one which I have used as it has evolved. Pixar, probably the most famous proponants of renderman, use a renderman compliant suite known as PRMan. This gave (at the time) a pretty good 'intergrated' (although not as we know intergrated in modern apps) suite for developing renderman enviroments. It took away much of the need to manually code every aspect of the renderman scene, especially shaders. For later works, especially for more complicated CG character work, Pixar realised a need to better intergrate the workflow of the character artists with the final render and effects team. The charater artists were now mostly using Maya, whilst the output all had to be RM compliant. This lead to the renderman plugin for Maya, which allowed the character artists to use the renderman shader effects (with cool sliders instead of lines of code) directly, with the output being RM compliant (although only a subset of it). This version of renderman was eventually release to the public as a Maya plug-in. As to your problems with the Maya interface, I really can't understand what you mean unless you are trying to use it 'out of the box'. The whole point of Maya is that you can fully customise the interface to better support the job it is used for. Once you know the workflow pattern you can tailor the interface to it - and when you do so it is great. You indications of the films RM has been used for indicate that you probably googled or wiki'd your information, because those are both very poor examples. I can hand code RISpec SL, so don't start telling me I am clueless about renderman. Thanks for explaining what i already know but it was a wasted exercise avon. :)
Avon	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:54:00 - [51] Just looked up the Wiki entry on Renderman. Guess which two films it mentions? At least I know where you get your 'knowledge' from. Laughable. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.05.22 16:34:00 - [52] For your information smart-arse, i was double checking when you initally posted your rabble about renderman. It just so happened to be the 1st 2 films i saw, not that i needed to know anyways. Believe me Im quite well informed on its pedigree of films without having to resort to f.ucking wiki FFS.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.22 16:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Lou Ping Originally by: 3rdD Dave the above sigs mate are easier than you think. Trust me. :)just the guys who done them know what their doing. Ok they are not hand draw pixel by pixel, but the lighting model is quite complicated. Wouldnt say easy. Out of curiosity, which 3d packages do u use and are u a 3D professional ? (im not haveing a go just would like to know). Lou how much begging do you require for the Thorax object? I use Lightwave too though not as much as I like due to EvE. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Reklin	Posted - 2006.05.22 16:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Lou Ping Edited by: Lou Ping on 21/05/2006 19:20:21 Thanks for your kind words. Currenlty my CEO has buddled me into the back of his APOC and is listing me on the auction channel. He wants a Diemos BPO, but will settle for 100 WCS for my services. Just to answer some of the tech questions. Its all done in lightwave. I use HRI and raydiosity for the ambient component and a few simple linear lights for the direct lighting. Also I use FPRIME to render it. Which is about 50 time faster then Lightwaves now ageing native renderer. And I dont charge a 100 mill... People just pay it cause they luv the work. Here is my sig library http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/renderbuddy/ Regards Lou Some awesome work there. If it's not a trade secret, may I ask how you got the ship images into the sigs? Are the models accessible somehow? Cheers, Reklin
Avon	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:23:00 - [55] Originally by: 3rdD Dave For your information smart-arse, i was double checking when you initally posted your rabble about renderman. It just so happened to be the 1st 2 films i saw, not that i needed to know anyways. Believe me Im quite well informed on its pedigree of films without having to resort to f.ucking wiki FFS. My rabble about renderman? lol Anyway, no need to argue further, it is clear to all who knows their stuff. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:47:00 - [56] Edited by: Avon on 22/05/2006 17:52:50 Originally by: Hans Roaming Lou how much begging do you require for the Thorax object? I use Lightwave too though not as much as I like due to EvE. Found them - posted a linky for ya in the general ramblings bit of your forums. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
DTee	Posted - 2006.05.22 20:15:00 - [57] Edited by: DTee on 22/05/2006 20:21:04 Funniest post i've read in a long time and i fell for it for a while too lmao I got to say Lou's sigs ARE awesome. He's really talented and good at what he does. Everything is perfect the lighting and the whole dice theme. The radioasity lighting and the models come off really well. He's a great guy too. Keep it up Lou!! and thanks man :D Btw 3dx max rules, once your in to using a specific 3d package its not that easy to switch unless your really in to the whole 3d thing. I'd agree every 3d package has its own strength's and weaknesses. DTee ------------------------------ <div align="center"></div>
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.22 20:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 22/05/2006 17:52:50 Originally by: Hans Roaming Lou how much begging do you require for the Thorax object? I use Lightwave too though not as much as I like due to EvE. Found them - posted a linky for ya in the general ramblings bit of your forums. OMG thanks, if you weren't married m8! President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.05.23 00:11:00 - [59] Edited by: 3rdD Dave on 23/05/2006 00:12:47 Guess my knowledge is lacking, I conceed to your uber 3d- know how. On a completely out of the blue and positive note, Ive just been offered a job in Australia doing previz work with one of the guys whos working onHappyFeet and the new Superman5 flick.. The tender is soon out for George Millers next film for the previz work.. LOL im completely shocked and overwhelmed ! \\o//

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