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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:32:00 -
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A decade ago it was ground breaking research, but today it is established and oft repeated study.
Get half-a-dozen to a dozen primates (lemurs, monkeys, apes (of which humans are one of the 4 major genus)) and put them into cages where they can see each other. Feed them a diet of nutritious, but bland food for a couple weeks. Then give then cucumbers for a couple weeks. They are VERY happy to get cucumbers and they beg for more. Then, switch to grapes. They really love the grapes, and really beg for more. Switch them back to cucumbers. Meh. They eat the cucumbers, but they are not super happy and begging for more cucumbers. NOW, switch half to grapes and leave half on cucumbers.
The half on cucumbers throw a fit. They misbehave, scream, throw them selves about their cages... they refuse to eat the cucumbers, throwing the cucumbers back at the care givers.
Meanwhile, those getting grapes somehow feel entitled to their grapes. When the cucumber primates beg the grape primates to share the grapes, they refuse. They are entitled to their grapes.
This is the perfect way to to create hate and discontent within a group of primates. Give one group something better than the rest can get.
Unintentionally, I am sure, this is EXACTLY what CCP has done with T2 BPOs.
No amount of rationalizing about how they "deserve" the grapes, or how they are not really that big of an advantage, or "give me 10 years worth of grapes, then after those 10 more years, you too can have grapes" is EVER going to convince the promates that receive cucumbers that the system is not inherently unfair.
On the flip side, no amount of reasoning from the players that do not have T2 BPOs, will ever convince the current T2 BPO holders that they are not entitled to their grapes, and everyone else can go suck cucumbers.
It will be up to CCP.
Do they, forever after, want to maintain this situation of grapes and cucumbers, or do they want to, at some point, address the situation so that everyone can have grapes... of course... eventually making grapes "not that special".
It is never going to just "go away" any more than the primates in the cages, half getting cucumbers and half getting grapes, can ever return to a place of peace co-existence for as long as the inequality persists. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
524
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:35:00 -
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Are you saying that people throw a fit because they don't have T2 BPOs? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5548
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:35:00 -
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Cry more, cucumber. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
929
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:53:00 -
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Except that EVE is full of humans, its only the forums that suffers from excess monkeys.
I like your analogy, because when I run with it, it would appear that under CCPs model, the only thing I can do in a cage is poop, and it would appear that if i do that long enough and save enough of it, that one of the grape owners will swap me a grape for a particularly large pile of poop, leaving me with cucumbers, grape and no poop.
Let us all pray for the end of terrible long winded analogies.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
666
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:56:00 -
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I am assuming the OP has not read any of the blogs about industry changes for summer. T2 BPOs are being nerfed significantly by all accounts.
Personally I think the trend of nerfing anything people have achieved in the past to help the entitled newer players feel like they can be "elite" and "win" EVE without putting any time in, just like they did in WoW, is a bit off putting. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1402
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Posted - 2014.04.30 05:30:00 -
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If you're not happy with BPO cucumbers, go find a grape in a different profession.
No one is forcing you to do industry. It's not like you're locked in a cage. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
465
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Posted - 2014.04.30 05:35:00 -
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Oh I get it. He wants us to throw cucumbers at ccp during fanfest. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5046
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Posted - 2014.04.30 05:35:00 -
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I saw Nova last week too OP.
This is a tired old whine. See: Invention
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
739
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Posted - 2014.04.30 05:51:00 -
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Wait there's T2 grapes now?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
438
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:11:00 -
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So because we can no longer get T2 bpo's because CCP looked at the bpo's lottery and went 'oops not enough getting out, lets make a new system so everyone can get a t2 bp' we should freak out because someone spent a crap load of time trying to get a bp and got lucky. Wha?
I get that the T2 bpo's is a printing press, but not really. The only real advantage you have is you can research it which saves you some on mins and then you don;t need to pay for invention, when saves you money. but tbh, someone with smarts can make just as much as most bpo' owners. or a bit less. I really don;t have an issue with t2 bpo's, the owners can keep them. There are other more important issues to fix. |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1639
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:24:00 -
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Apes, grapes and cucumbers - sounds like a hell of a party! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Marsha Mallow
411
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:33:00 -
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Funny how some of us who started playing after the lottery still managed to get hold of T2 BPOs.
You carry on flinging your fruit about while us advanced primates squable over bacon :) TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
73
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:03:00 -
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I agree with OP. I never was in Blueprint business, and don't really know how they work, but I find about the story of T2 BPO and imeadetally said to my self "WTF CCP??? REMOVE THEM!!! NOW!!!!" |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:07:00 -
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Am I the only one, who when he got to the bit about giving Monkeys cucumbers, thought the conversation was going in an entirely different direction |
Sibyyl
567
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:09:00 -
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Some other people have some things that we don't. Couldn't the same thing be said about SP or ISK or special edition ships.. lots of examples come to mind.
It should stop anyone from enjoying the game. The advantage is negligible. The player behind the pilot makes more of a difference, here. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5549
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:17:00 -
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After having thought about this further, I've come to a conclusion.
Some people want equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Typically those people are have-nots and bads.
That is all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3811
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Posted - 2014.04.30 08:36:00 -
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TL;DR
Player-base are subhuman.
Well DUH "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
226
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Posted - 2014.04.30 08:58:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote: primates (lemurs, monkeys, apes (of which humans are one of the 4 major genus))
Humans are not one of the "4 major genera of apes". Genus homo is one of 4 genera of Hominidae which is a taxonomic family of primates (and yes, Hominidae are also known as "great apes"). The other 3 genera are genus Pan, genus Gorilla and genus Pongo, which are traditionally called "apes". Apes are all non-human hominoids .
/biology |
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
43
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:17:00 -
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Now, what happened if you give them grapes with the shape of cucumber? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1068
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:29:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Wait there's T2 grapes now?
(lets make this analogy work for its dinner) Does this mean we should see T2 Wine soon? Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3816
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:35:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Wait there's T2 grapes now?
(lets make this analogy work for its dinner) Does this mean we should see T2 Wine soon?
It already exists
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/285x214/177475_1.jpg "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Kaea Astridsson
Yggdrasil Woodchoppers Noir. Mercenary Group
25
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:56:00 -
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Heard of several manufacturers who make more than enough without the T2 BPOs. And with the comming indy changes now is the time to snatch your grape, just have to find which POS it will sit in. (Most likely a station but still, owner of T2 bpo wanna compete ha gotta move it somehow. - Gank all em BRs) |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
926
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Posted - 2014.04.30 10:53:00 -
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You know what they do to those who keep throwing **** around, without serving any actual purpose, just like you right now?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1070
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Posted - 2014.04.30 10:59:00 -
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i used to have a jacket with a pocket specifically for that bottle. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
935
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:51:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote: primates (lemurs, monkeys, apes (of which humans are one of the 4 major genus))
Humans are not one of the "4 major genera of apes". Genus homo is one of 4 genera of Hominidae which is a taxonomic family of primates (and yes, Hominidae are also known as "great apes"). The other 3 genera are genus Pan, genus Gorilla and genus Pongo, which are traditionally called "apes". Apes are all non-human hominoids . /biology
I'm not sure where you get your biology, or why one genus of an order would be sliced out as not being part of that order... Seems more preferential than scientific, but all my textbooks label Hominidae as "The Great Apes" and firmly places humans in that order. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3820
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:05:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Myriad Blaze wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote: primates (lemurs, monkeys, apes (of which humans are one of the 4 major genus))
Humans are not one of the "4 major genera of apes". Genus homo is one of 4 genera of Hominidae which is a taxonomic family of primates (and yes, Hominidae are also known as "great apes"). The other 3 genera are genus Pan, genus Gorilla and genus Pongo, which are traditionally called "apes". Apes are all non-human hominoids . /biology I'm not sure where you get your biology, or why one genus of an order would be sliced out as not being part of that order... Seems more preferential than scientific, but all my textbooks label Hominidae as "The Great Apes" and firmly places humans in that order.
Which is what she said "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
286
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:25:00 -
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AH T2BPO that constant reminder of CCP bias that comes along and kicks them in the face.
''Can I haz free unique shipz CCP? can I haz more undeserved reimbursements for our nullz fleet loss? Can I haz T2BPO'z I don't wanna compete with plebs.'' Somer.
EVE is not real deal with it, you want free stuff then arrange for your corp/allince members to unsub, if CCP don't listen or meet your demands then crack out the DDOS. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3823
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:33:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:AH T2BPO that constant reminder of CCP bias that comes along and kicks them in the face.
''Can I haz free unique shipz CCP? can I haz more undeserved reimbursements for our nullz fleet loss? Can I haz T2BPO'z I don't wanna compete with plebs.'' Somer.
EVE is not real deal with it, you want free stuff then arrange for your corp/allince members to unsub, if CCP don't listen or meet your demands then crack out the DDOS.
lolno
Seriously dude, I know you are trying, but you need to try a little harder than what was all the rage 6 months ago. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
674
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:40:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:AH T2BPO that constant reminder of CCP bias that comes along and kicks them in the face.
''Can I haz free unique shipz CCP? can I haz more undeserved reimbursements for our nullz fleet loss? Can I haz T2BPO'z I don't wanna compete with plebs.'' Somer.
EVE is not real deal with it, you want free stuff then arrange for your corp/allince members to unsub, if CCP don't listen or meet your demands then crack out the DDOS. lolno Seriously dude, I know you are trying, but you need to try a little harder than what was all the rage 6 months ago.
The amusing thing is over in the industry discussions with the upcoming summer patch with the removal of slots from stations, the removal of faction standing for constructing POS, the ability to build POS in any security space, the drastic reduction in copy time of BPCs, the inability after summer patch to lock down BPOs and the need to move BPOs around ... many people are saying BPOs are going to be barely worth the effort and are considering cashing them in. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
1725
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:41:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Except that EVE is full of humans, its only the forums that suffers from excess monkeys.
I like your analogy, because when I run with it, it would appear that under CCPs model, the only thing I can do in a cage is poop, and it would appear that if i do that long enough and save enough of it, that one of the grape owners will swap me a grape for a particularly large pile of poop, leaving me with cucumbers, grape and no poop.
Let us all pray for the end of terrible long winded analogies.
... flings more poop at the tourists in GD...
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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