I respectfully disagree because any player in EVE has a role. Even the Alt

you guys ain't even got the ballz

I would too if I hadn't completely lost faith in this company to effectively develop new content
of any kind. .

Lots of people are used to avatar-based play and movement in other MMOs and MMORPGs, and so they look at EVE, and note the complete absence of genuine avatar play, and they decide not to try it out.

Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?

So if your friend came up to you all sad and dejected and said that he really liked this girl but that she hadn't returned any of his calls or texts or emails or flowers for a year, what would you advise him to do?

That you shouldn't go to extremes? Yes, it did. And cancelling WiS altogether with Incarna project became just another extreme we are trying to avoid.

Yeah, this is pretty much BS. I didn't cancel my account over "microtransactions", I canceled my account over the direction the game was going.

For WiS to work properly, and for it to be 'interesting' and 'big' enough to be a major part of the EVE univers you are essentially asking CCP to develop another game.

- It would need to run on a different engine

- It has completely different movement / controls / graphics / content that EVE already has.

CCP have shown us that they cant build this (WoD)

Captains Quarters is not even close to starting the process, its just one avatar walking around a single graphical box. Even that melted some peoples graphic cards.

So you think they can simply cut-paste the DUST code, make a few quick changes and we will have WiS.... I see your and raise you

However, I will post this:
http://themittani.com/content/soss-67-incarna-postmortem-6
The summary version is that JesterGÇÖs PCU chart unleashed (another) howl of anger about the delays and failures of the Incarna expansion; the CSM began harassing CCP in the gaming press over the neglect of GÇÿFlying in SpaceGÇÖ (what everyone besides CCP calls GÇÿEve OnlineGÇÖ), and now the CSM and CCP are in heavily NDAGÇÖd weekly meetings to discuss and try to resolve the situation. Fun stuff.

And the result of that is obviously a halt in WiS development (but not maintenance of course) while the Carbon experiment went over to WoD, which eventually killed it off ~$30M dollars later. If continued on EVE, we would still be just receiving micro-patces to WiS and a wholly broken spaceship game. Of course you can discount my link, but if you read it closely then you should discount your own opinions as well since he had a favorable view of WiS, at least back then, don't know about now. In retrospect, I find it hard to see it as anything but a complete failure, especially with the R&D numbers that came out of it's future development over at WoD.

your hope laid with WoD to get it working and now that WoD is dead you have run out of hope. It's out of desperation for what little is left of your WiS dream which revolved around Carbon.

If anything, the FPS is the future of any bipedal development in EVE, to whatever extent.

Uh no, completely different. The FPS runs off Unreal Engine, it's an actual game. WiS is 'walking' the catwalk to show off all your Noble Exchange junk. As we know WiS or Carbon failed at anything really usable.

It's one of the things that makes this discussion a mess, a lot of the terms either have double meanings (such as the case with Carbon), or different implications when spoken by different people (for example, to some WiS means the Incarna interpretation of avatar play, while others use it to mean any and all future avatar gameplay in EvE), which can cause two people with fairly similar views to argue for pages.

I'm sure you meant this sarcastically, but it is much more likely to be literally true than not. There is absolutely no reason so suspect any assets in Trinity2/CARBON would be portable to the UT engine or back, they are not built on one another or derivative in any way.

My current sub terminates on the 28th. I will not renew it either until Legion, Valkyrie and WiS are all on the same client.

and without a pay2win business model.

It's what Dust514 (and EVE) currently has.

[Citation needed]


The only pile of crap I've came across recently was actually in EVE, and I'm glad other games are picking up the ball it dropped.

Pay-to-win - A game business model that offers and promotes the purchase of in-game goods or currency that offer an advantage in competitive gameplay and would otherwise be impossible or very difficult to get (i.e. eternal grinds), thus giving the payer a direct advantage in gameplay over the non-payer players..

Unlike many other games that offer currency exchange for non competitive goods like vanity, pve boosters, skins... in EVE you can use the isk you bought with PLEX to buy highly skilled characters and capital ships, which even a tetraplegic can use efficiently by pressing F1 with his mouth and a straw.

gold ammo.

The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.

Your ignorance is astounding.

the competitive advantage offered to the PLEX buying players is still there. I'll give you this - It's definitely not as unhealthy for the game as Dust 514's model that relies exclusively on pay-to-win microtransactions to try and stay afloat..

Sorry I thought we were discussing whether EVE is pay2win or not.

I also told you before I'm not playing it

Please read my last posts again it seems you did not understand what I wrote. I'd advise you to smoke a pipe and chill, you look too stressed

I think due to eve's lack of avatar gameplay that the RP community is fairly stunted however, and it's sort of a chicken/egg delima where each are fairly dependant on each other. (Not that Eve doesn't have RP, just that I feel it would have significantly more if there were avatars and interaction and such.

My "type" doesn't "demand" anything, we're aware that the game is not ours. We let the company know what we want for our money.
It's up to them to deliver or not.