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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:03:00 -
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I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
I have a question. Eve is my first MMO. I broke my teeth playing RTS games. I have never seen a gaming community go so far with their outright critisizm of game developers as I have seen here. Not in all my time in this game, but lately I find players feel free to "dress down" developers sometimes in a very personal nature.
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words.
Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions.
Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character.
And character is everything. - author unknown |
Doireen Kaundur
Minmatar Republic
853
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:06:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
I have a question. Eve is my first MMO. I broke my teeth playing RTS games. I have never seen a gaming community go so far with their outright critisizm of game developers as I have seen here. Not in all my time in this game, but lately I find players feel free to "dress down" developers sometimes in a very personal nature.
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
That is a result of devs getting too cozy with the gaming community. Some devs are also part of major alliances which doesnt help either.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
684
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:06:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
I have a question. Eve is my first MMO. I broke my teeth playing RTS games. I have never seen a gaming community go so far with their outright critisizm of game developers as I have seen here. Not in all my time in this game, but lately I find players feel free to "dress down" developers sometimes in a very personal nature.
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
oh yes indeedy ...
Just google "eve incarna summer of rage" |
Doireen Kaundur
Minmatar Republic
853
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:09:00 -
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Devs have also been involved in past misconduct (cheating). So if there is a lack of respect for the EVE developers, it's their own doing.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1309
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:14:00 -
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Actually it's a result of their being more involved with the community. Things therefore become more personal.
This has both good & bad effects.
Most MMO's are not involved anywhere near as close with their player base, so Devs are some distant thing that you swear about, but have no idea who they really are.
CCP Devs are actual people, so there is a single person that you know is behind nerfing your favourite thing. It also means there is a single person behind your favourite thing getting buffed. So it goes both ways. Both Negative & Positive reactions are amplified. |
SmokeTheFly
The Lost Squadron
Non Unionised Bittervets Society
0
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:18:00 -
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Devs are just second class if they want to put the customer first :P |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5073
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:20:00 -
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Also:
CCP Dev trolling is best trolling.
(them trolling us)
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5352
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:20:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
Yes and no.
Yes because sometimes players get so entrenched in their own ways of doing or thinking that they go off on a tantrum when there is even the slightest change to their mode of operations.**
And then there are times where the DEVs actually do some rather boneheaded things.
No because sometimes the anger is more 'heat of the moment" and passes or in pure jest (because CCP is known for almost comical blunders).
**NOTE: we currently seeing the glimpses of a major industry and logistical re-vamp in the coming months... professions that are typically dominated by OCD type personalities and "spreadsheet masters." Everything that they have carefully set up and meticulously managed down to the decimal point is going to be turned upside down.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Solai
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
200
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:47:00 -
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It's also worth noting that the game has been chugging along for a decade, and much of that decade included developers interacting with the community. That time span, in this close interaction strategy, helps make things more individualized. We've been seeing their names around for a long time, or can roughly pin down where they joined the team that we already know. So even other games that interact closely with their fans won't get the level of familiarity you see here, due to the their likely lack of age.
Another factor is that Eve, as a game, is more personal than others. The social dynamics of the game are such that, comparatively, people invest quite heavily in it, and I think often feel the fluctuations more keenly. Their investment is not just in their characters, grown over years, but in the social systems and legacy that they've crafted over time. Other games, you make a new character on a different server, or there's other means of reducing 'permanence.' Here, messing with a player's game experience or legacy it's a bit like messing with someone's house. I think this makes people more vigilant and irritable.
Prior posters have mentioned reasons they think the dev's 'deserve' it. I'd take those with a grain of salt.
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2616
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:48:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
Look, when the devs are a bunch of ******* trolls, you got to troll them back.
<3 U Fozzie, your blond hair makes me moist.
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SmokeTheFly
The Lost Squadron
Non Unionised Bittervets Society
0
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:49:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Patri Andari wrote:So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers? Yes and no. Yes because sometimes players get so entrenched in their own ways of doing or thinking that they go off on a tantrum when there is even the slightest change to their mode of operations.** And then there are times where the DEVs actually do some rather boneheaded things. No because sometimes the anger is more 'heat of the moment" and passes or in pure jest (because CCP is known for almost comical blunders). **NOTE: we currently seeing the glimpses of a major industry and logistical re-vamp in the coming months... professions that are typically dominated by OCD type personalities and "spreadsheet masters." Everything that they have carefully set up and meticulously managed down to the decimal point is going to be turned upside down.
Sounds as if this is going to be like throwing salt at the feet of a vampire. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
186
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:57:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
I have a question. Eve is my first MMO. I broke my teeth playing RTS games. I have never seen a gaming community go so far with their outright critisizm of game developers as I have seen here. Not in all my time in this game, but lately I find players feel free to "dress down" developers sometimes in a very personal nature.
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
Well, if you take off your trousers, you might find out what the community can do to you.
This is as nice as I get.
Best quote ever
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1434
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:05:00 -
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SmokeTheFly wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Patri Andari wrote:So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers? Yes and no. Yes because sometimes players get so entrenched in their own ways of doing or thinking that they go off on a tantrum when there is even the slightest change to their mode of operations.** And then there are times where the DEVs actually do some rather boneheaded things. No because sometimes the anger is more 'heat of the moment" and passes or in pure jest (because CCP is known for almost comical blunders). **NOTE: we currently seeing the glimpses of a major industry and logistical re-vamp in the coming months... professions that are typically dominated by OCD type personalities and "spreadsheet masters." Everything that they have carefully set up and meticulously managed down to the decimal point is going to be turned upside down. Sounds as if this is going to be like throwing salt at the feet of a vampire.
not as much as throwing salt at a feet of a vampire, more like pulling finger nails, rubbing them on salt and then asking them to write an extended essay on Tolstoy "War and Peace" in a single morning.
on the commical front: Booot.ini and Tuxford's inadvertently shutting down TQ because wrong server.
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13025
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:28:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote: Some devs are also part of major alliances which doesnt help either.
Lies. Scandalous lies.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1827
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:30:00 -
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It's a mutual love hate relationship.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:48:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
I have a question. Eve is my first MMO. I broke my teeth playing RTS games. I have never seen a gaming community go so far with their outright critisizm of game developers as I have seen here. Not in all my time in this game, but lately I find players feel free to "dress down" developers sometimes in a very personal nature.
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
"Dev bashing" and personal attacks are banable offenses and you should report it if you see it.
As someone already mentioned, mass attacks on devs happened during the "Summer of Rage". The situation back then escalated so fast that forum mods were not able to react. Although I participated in the "Summer of Rage", I was really ashamed of being a part of the community considering what many players posted during the event. My participation, along with many others, was in a form of constructive criticism of the proposed/leaked/speculated future course of the game.
Situation with industry is not that dramatic. Many of the changes that have been announced in the last couple of days are good. Some of them are bad and deserve to be criticized so the developers can see potential downsides that they have missed. After all, tens of thousands of players are more likely to spot a downside of a change than dozens of devs working on a particular feature no matter how hard they work.
Open and personal discussion that CCP's devs have with the community is the reason why the game is still growing after 10 years and why it's so great. The downside is that some players take the discussions too personal. On the other hand, you should also count in ISD - a group of player volunteers helping GMs and forum moderators manage the forums.
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DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
451
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:03:00 -
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I came to eve in 2004, and its been this way since even back then. The devs even run with jokes people in the community make, like TomB walking around fan fest hitting things with his nerf bat. Its just how we are. Eve has one of the best communities i have seen, and there is actually a ton of communication for the devs to the players. shrugs. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3441
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:22:00 -
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I'm quietly considering resuming my old correspondence habits with EVE devs. I know there are a handful of devs that know exactly what I am talking about.
I'll assume the answer is yes unless one of them comes in here and says "please god no". |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3151
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:25:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm quietly considering resuming my old correspondence habits with EVE devs. I know there are a handful of devs that know exactly what I am talking about.
I'll assume the answer is yes unless one of them comes in here and says "please god no".
You look so handsome in your old TEST uniform.
Oh god. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3847
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Posted - 2014.05.01 08:06:00 -
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Though I think the sheer amount of it is ungrateful and a lot of the virtiol is unwarranted Id much rather have a community that vents its spleen constantly than the lap-dog followers of Games Workshop, Blizzard, Mojang, Nintendo, and Apple who dont believe their Gods can do anything wrong.
At least our God doesnt butt in when I say what I feel about them or interfere with what I do in game.
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
213
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Posted - 2014.05.01 08:09:00 -
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Pretty common in every MMO I have ever played. |
leavemymomalone idiot
State War Academy
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.05.01 08:16:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
I have a question. Eve is my first MMO. I broke my teeth playing RTS games. I have never seen a gaming community go so far with their outright critisizm of game developers as I have seen here. Not in all my time in this game, but lately I find players feel free to "dress down" developers sometimes in a very personal nature.
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
when someone says "but" in a conversation what they are saying is i am lying and ignore everything i just said before the but. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1649
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Posted - 2014.05.01 09:36:00 -
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When CCP will say they don't like being covered in mainstream media in connection to thefts, betrayal and space explosions costing hundreds of thousands of RL dollars then we will stop hating them. Because what's the point of hating some ordinary boring MMO developers?
And with all my hate aside when CCP Mimic had her hair shaved (is that even close to proper English?) I had tears in my eyes. TEARZ I tell you!
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3441
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Posted - 2014.05.01 09:41:00 -
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I LOVE ALL DEVS EQUALLY AND WILL SHARE MY LOVE FOR THEM ETERNALLY THROUGH GRATUITOUS USE OF PUNS AND FUNNY ANIMAL PHOTOS SHOWING UP IN THEIR INBOXES AT ODD HOURS.
OH AND CCP, MY MOUSTACHE CAME OUT NICELY. I'LL CONTINUE UPDATING YOU GUYS WITH DAILY PHOTOS.
... I should run for CSM again. I'm feeling the mindset. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.01 09:47:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:I LOVE ALL DEVS EQUALLY AND WILL SHARE MY LOVE FOR THEM ETERNALLY THROUGH GRATUITOUS USE OF PUNS AND FUNNY ANIMAL PHOTOS SHOWING UP IN THEIR INBOXES AT ODD HOURS.
OH AND CCP, MY MOUSTACHE CAME OUT NICELY. I'LL CONTINUE UPDATING YOU GUYS WITH DAILY PHOTOS.
... I should run for CSM again. I'm feeling the mindset.
You're so pretty
Androgeny is awesome
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
323
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Posted - 2014.05.01 09:55:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:I LOVE ALL DEVS EQUALLY AND WILL SHARE MY LOVE FOR THEM ETERNALLY THROUGH GRATUITOUS USE OF PUNS AND FUNNY ANIMAL PHOTOS SHOWING UP IN THEIR INBOXES AT ODD HOURS.
OH AND CCP, MY MOUSTACHE CAME OUT NICELY. I'LL CONTINUE UPDATING YOU GUYS WITH DAILY PHOTOS.
... I should run for CSM again. I'm feeling the mindset.
wat
Well, a CCP dev whom I shall not name recently complained about how they received not nearly enough evemails. Make of that what you will. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
735
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Posted - 2014.05.01 10:37:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
I have a question. Eve is my first MMO. I broke my teeth playing RTS games. I have never seen a gaming community go so far with their outright critisizm of game developers as I have seen here. Not in all my time in this game, but lately I find players feel free to "dress down" developers sometimes in a very personal nature.
So my question is ...Is this normal? Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
Ah. You missed those times in the old WoW forums when people got mad at Ghostcrawler. There's a reason Blizzard scrapped them forums forever  .
Remove insurance. |
Don Aubaris
114
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Posted - 2014.05.01 10:47:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:I mean no ill will...no..srsly. but.
Have there been other instances where the Eve community decided the go all out maniac on developers?
You have it completely wrong.  Didn't you read the dev-blogs? They are going all maniac on us, the players. 
Oh they hide it well with big words and incomprehensible mathematics.
But if you sit down it still hurts... 
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Agonising Ecstacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.05.01 11:01:00 -
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And remember "Active Eve Forum Posters" and "Active Eve Players" are two different sets of people. One is (almost a) subset of the other. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3442
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Posted - 2014.05.01 11:04:00 -
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Agonising Ecstacy wrote:And remember "Active Eve Forum Posters" and "Active Eve Players" are two different sets of people. One is (almost a) subset of the other.
If it is a subset, it is entirely contained within the other. |
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