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Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line Sky Syndicate
175
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:11:00 -
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I remember there was some talk about the new Marauders and their "like-a-boss" button being potentially viable in Incursion fleets. How true is this? I'm going to be taking a break from the daily hassles of wormhole life, and don't feel like continually grinding out the same missions.
The only Marauder I can currently fly is the Paladin, and I know that a dual rep fit can tank the hardest c4 sites, even in a Pulsar, and can tank the lower end c5 sites. Would an FC accept an adequately fit, locally tanked Marauder into their fleet? Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:40:00 -
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I think i heard about them being used but i never confirmed it, im in the same boat so hopefully someone will answer this. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
190
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:50:00 -
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It has been a while since I flew Incursions so things may have changed.
But,
Short answer : No.
Long answer: Incursion fleets are usually shield tanked using 1 or 2 invulns and a couple of really good logistic pilots. With the rest of the mids used for tracking comps/sensor boosters and lows used for 4-5 damage mods and the rest of the lows with tracking enhancers.
Incursion fleets want maximum isk/hour and a local repped, stationary, armor ship will not provide that for most of them. Warning: Sarcasm Above. |
RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
18
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:56:00 -
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Marauders are useful in VG, or at least you can use them there ;)
assaults .. well Vargur at least
HQ impossible to bastion tank that |
Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line Sky Syndicate
176
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:57:00 -
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Oh yes, I suppose I should have clarified. I didn't intend to take one into the top-end sites. Just looking for ways to shake my playtime up, though I am quite fond of the Nightmare. Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |
Novah Soul
93
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:59:00 -
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Le'Mon Tichim wrote:I remember there was some talk about the new Marauders and their "like-a-boss" button being potentially viable in Incursion fleets. How true is this? I'm going to be taking a break from the daily hassles of wormhole life, and don't feel like continually grinding out the same missions.
The only Marauder I can currently fly is the Paladin, and I know that a dual rep fit can tank the hardest c4 sites, even in a Pulsar, and can tank the lower end c5 sites. Would an FC accept an adequately fit, locally tanked Marauder into their fleet?
I'm not sure about individual Marauders in a standard fleet, but I fairly certain that would be a no-go with a bastion setup. However, I have chatted with a couple of the more common incursion groups about Marauders in general and apparently there are occasionally the dedicated all-Marauder fleets that run VG sites. Also, my wife mentioned at some point that there is a chat channel setup for marauder fleets but I am not certain of the name or accuracy of this. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.01 14:02:00 -
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Novah Soul wrote:Le'Mon Tichim wrote:I remember there was some talk about the new Marauders and their "like-a-boss" button being potentially viable in Incursion fleets. How true is this? I'm going to be taking a break from the daily hassles of wormhole life, and don't feel like continually grinding out the same missions.
The only Marauder I can currently fly is the Paladin, and I know that a dual rep fit can tank the hardest c4 sites, even in a Pulsar, and can tank the lower end c5 sites. Would an FC accept an adequately fit, locally tanked Marauder into their fleet? I'm not sure about individual Marauders in a standard fleet, but I fairly certain that would be a no-go with a bastion setup. However, I have chatted with a couple of the more common incursion groups about Marauders in general and apparently there are occasionally the dedicated all-Marauder fleets that run VG sites. Also, my wife mentioned at some point that there is a chat channel setup for marauder fleets but I am not certain of the name or accuracy of this. thats what iv heard as well, any leads would be rather appreciated. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2880
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:26:00 -
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As detailed when the idiotic Bastion module was first introduced, no self-respecting Incursion FC will seriously entertain a Bastioned Marauder, unless the fleet is running under it's cap of pilots.
The capacitor requirements and tank modules required completely gimp the effective DPS of the ship. And yes, 11 Bastioned Marauders will still get owned by 9 DPS / 2 Logi in VG's, and Bastioned ships can't tank Assaults.
If they were so great, the major incursion channels would have adopted them by now. And they have not.
It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Daerrol
Lumen et Umbra
3
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:13:00 -
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bastion marauder fleets indeed do work. not sure what cap they use considering they are cap free to run............ They are not as good as vindi fleets. dont try Slassaults with them. Pimp for success. Use test server. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1103
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:11:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
do you remember what happened the last time you said that? Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2881
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:56:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
do you remember what happened the last time you said that?
I was proven right, yet again? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
252
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:59:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
do you remember what happened the last time you said that? I was proven right, yet again?
We're still waiting for goons to take everything over. |
Paikis
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
1188
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:13:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:11 Bastioned Marauders will still get owned by 9 DPS / 2 Logi in VG's
Confirming that 11 sets of guns are worse at killing things than 9 sets of guns.
I think you should maybe think things through before you make posts. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
190
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:23:00 -
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11 Marauders that each need to be able to solo tank the entire VG, will have less dps/tracking/webs/painters than 9 ships fully fit for dps/tracking/webs/painters and can leave the tanking up to the 2 logis. Warning: Sarcasm Above. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1832
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Posted - 2014.05.02 06:15:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:As detailed when the idiotic Bastion module was first introduced, no self-respecting Incursion FC will seriously entertain a Bastioned Marauder, unless the fleet is running under it's cap of pilots.
The capacitor requirements and tank modules required completely gimp the effective DPS of the ship. And yes, 11 Bastioned Marauders will still get owned by 9 DPS / 2 Logi in VG's, and Bastioned ships can't tank Assaults.
If they were so great, the major incursion channels would have adopted them by now. And they have not.
It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story. Incursions are not everything Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button. |
Joker Dronemaster
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
38
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:33:00 -
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I have to wonder how 10 cruise precision Golems would work in a vanguard. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1110
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Posted - 2014.05.02 08:53:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
do you remember what happened the last time you said that? I was proven right, yet again? with regard incursions granted. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Novah Soul
93
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Posted - 2014.05.02 12:05:00 -
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Joker Dronemaster wrote:I have to wonder how 10 cruise precision Golems would work in a vanguard.
Hard to say, really. I'm thinking it'd be outperformed by a pulse Paladin, between the guns and fairly even resist profile. Vargur would likely be comparable to the pally as well for the same reasons but I have no real experience with the hull. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
832
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Posted - 2014.05.02 12:35:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
I don't know about using them for incursions but a stupid design?
Yes they're really stupid ships. I just can't stand doing missions with a Paladin that puts out over 1000 turret DPS at 70km. It makes me want to fly a Drake... I hear they're even stupider for PVP with the tank and EWAR immunity.
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Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line Sky Syndicate
177
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:57:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:11 Marauders that each need to be able to solo tank the entire VG, will have less dps/tracking/webs/painters than 9 ships fully fit for dps/tracking/webs/painters and can leave the tanking up to the 2 logis.
Not to mention mobility if the NPC's get out of range.... All the the Incursions fleets I've ever joined required an AB/MWD to be fit.
What's the highest dps a Vanguard site can put out? Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |
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Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:44:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
do you remember what happened the last time you said that? I was proven right, yet again?
People had issues with your posts because you insisted the new Marauders would be worse at literally everything, not just incursions. They are much better than they were at PvP in general, level 4 missions, and WH PvE, and you insisted that they would be worse at all of these. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1122
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:18:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
do you remember what happened the last time you said that? I was proven right, yet again? People had issues with your posts because you insisted the new Marauders would be worse at literally everything, not just incursions. They are much better than they were at PvP in general, level 4 missions, and WH PvE, and you insisted that they would be worse at all of these. And then, enter stage left:ccp fozzy with statistics Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Arronicus
Ravens' Nest Outlaw Horizon.
930
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:12:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:As detailed when the idiotic Bastion module was first introduced, no self-respecting Incursion FC will seriously entertain a Bastioned Marauder, unless the fleet is running under it's cap of pilots.
The capacitor requirements and tank modules required completely gimp the effective DPS of the ship. And yes, 11 Bastioned Marauders will still get owned by 9 DPS / 2 Logi in VG's, and Bastioned ships can't tank Assaults.
If they were so great, the major incursion channels would have adopted them by now. And they have not.
It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
Fortunately, this is very wrong. Bastioned vargur fleets will outperform any other fleet for VGs. They have ridiculous damage projection, cruiser level tracking, and can fit a solid tank without the need to sacrifice much dps, or field logi. As a result, a bastioned vargur fleet will outperform any other same number of ships composition, for VGs. |
Darvanile
Offline.
14
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:18:00 -
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Armor fleets are happy to accept paladins in most scenarios. However, a bastion set up will be frowned upon. Its not a matter of it not being viable, just more a matter of it not being necessary. You wont be able to tank the upper level sites, and your damage will suffer from trying to make yourself viable under the pressure of neuts. Do not let this discourage you however. The dps a paladin can put out is very respectable, and its engagement range makes it easy to fit for any level of incursion site. You will be a welcome addition to a fleet! Join the Ditanian Fleet armor mailing list to find out more about acceptable paladin fits. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
454
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:04:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:11 Marauders that each need to be able to solo tank the entire VG, will have less dps/tracking/webs/painters than 9 ships fully fit for dps/tracking/webs/painters and can leave the tanking up to the 2 logis.
Not to mention mobility if the NPC's get out of range.... All the the Incursions fleets I've ever joined required an AB/MWD to be fit.
Putting aside the fact that the Bastion module also vastly increases the range of your weapons, if everyone is clustered together why would the NPCs be out of range? Granted I haven't done incursions in a couple years, but I'm pretty sure they never fly away unless you're jamming them. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
560
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:23:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:As detailed when the idiotic Bastion module was first introduced, no self-respecting Incursion FC will seriously entertain a Bastioned Marauder, unless the fleet is running under it's cap of pilots.
The capacitor requirements and tank modules required completely gimp the effective DPS of the ship. And yes, 11 Bastioned Marauders will still get owned by 9 DPS / 2 Logi in VG's, and Bastioned ships can't tank Assaults.
If they were so great, the major incursion channels would have adopted them by now. And they have not.
It was an incredibly stupid design, with predictable results. End of story.
They were designed for solo PvE...
What a surprise they're not as good for incursions as other ships without this specific design focus. Why complain about bastion when you've got so many other ships you can use?
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
22
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:19:00 -
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Paladins work great - vargurs op.. 2low +1rig on paladin - 1 repper +crystal set on vargur
How is this wasting slots.... With 11/12dos on the grid...
Somany baddies here |
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
205
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:27:00 -
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The Incurions Guild is a group that runs Vanguards with nothing but bastioned Vargurs, Kroni and Paladins.
A pimped out Vargur will tank an Assault but it's not very viable getting 20 of those on the same grid.
Apart from the bastion module, the Paladin especially is a welcome sight for armor fleets. The Kronos tends to be worse than the Vindicator and the Vargur is comparable to a Machariel. |
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