lol learn to scan.

No. Exploration does not need decrease in content, it needs an increase.

I know how to scan, which is why I know that they're specific types of ships that you want to scan with and that you scan for specifics types of tasks. No one takes the time look through the systems on route for possible shortcuts since it involves reshipping and getting taking the time to scan those sites. You might say that this begs the question whether anyone deserves that shortcut. I'd say we do. A shortcut serves it purpose better if it's easily accessible. There's a reason as why ppl don't look all over for a random shortcut and that's because it takes more time to find compared to the gain in travel time.

First off, I know several people in null who use wormholes to help move small objects but high value through wormholes.

Second off, if you don't have the will to find the short cuts and thus exploit them, then you don't deserve them. So learn and have the willpower to scan.

Third, while yes short cuts are better if its easily accessible, that defeats the purpose of having them. They should be discovered and exploited after work, not handed to you. Stop feeling entitled to things.

Mechanics are fine how they are, don't change them.

I don't care for this idea. The removal of things that require pilot action (scanning; signatures, ships, etc) and skill (efficiency) for things that do not require any of the aforementioned (anomalies; free effortless content, free effortless Intel, less attention to detail and game mechanics) is a very bad trend.

It should be discouraged whenever suggested by CCP or by player. You should feel discouraged.

Ok, so according to you, K-space -> K-space wormholes is content that would be lost if this proposal came to fruitition?
Is it because it wouldn't involve you having to scan it down? Or because you would share it with everyone else?
You know, this proposal would add alot of content. I think that there's alot of other ideas for adding content to exploration and I think that you'd be happy to trade this for a good content-creator for exploration ANY day.

I can understand if you don't agree with the idea if you want Eve to be a more tedious place. I agree that there are some things that should require pilot actions, such as scanning, but this is not one them.

And there you go, if you need or it can be useful you look for it and thus use it.

Those who have no need for it, do not care about them.

Seems normal and fine.

People do not have short cuts in real life without effort involved.

People do not get any gain for no work.

People should have to scan K-Space wormholes for any benefit they may bring.

You're generalizing and missing the point. First off, they're random, so you can't be certain to find anything even if you scan through every system within 10 jumps. And are you really sure that only the ones that need something, care for it?
I'm saying that wormholes can be so much more than it currently is.

No, because not everyone needs to know about secret passages, and we don't need even more stuff where you can easily camp on. Besides, this would be a massive inconsistency. Why are only these WH's anomalies, but others not? The content is already there, you, however, need to look for it first. That is what Exploration is about.

Wormholes in W-Space are random in destination as well (this includes statics, its just a more of a focused random).

So should those wormholes be Anomalies as well?

People do not have short cuts in real life without effort involved.

People do not get any gain for no work.

Enough people use them, people who want to have fun without other people knowing where they come from or where you go to. These hidden passages are priceless for roams into far away territories, where you can come and go undetected. These WHs being anoms would make this easier to do, but also a whole lot less secret. And I certainly don't mind tedious tasks.

And they are wormholes regardless of their different nature, as you called it.

My problem with the change to how they are displayed is that when there is a wormhole in system, it would be immediately identifiable as a k-space to k-space hole, meaning you wouldn't have to scan it down and to me that detracts from the concept of wormholes as mysterious things to look for.

As far as increasing their total mass and mass regen, I have no problem with that. If there happens to be a wormhole that goes somewhere useful, sweet, let's use it. But most of the time, they would go somewhere random and not particularly helpful.

Overall I think it's fine the way it is.

Lol, move to New York


Oh, and still, take this idea, roll it into a ball and kick it through the nearest wormhole. Ty.

I can understand if you don't agree with the idea if you want Eve to be a more tedious place. I agree that there are some things that should require pilot actions, such as scanning, but this is not one them.

And for not minding tedious tasks, isn't it best when the rewards for them were less of a long-shot like a random wormhole is?

Just like there are combat anoms and combat sigs. Isn't that also an inconsistency?

Lol at misrepresenting my point. Well done.

No and no.

True, that is also an inconsistency, but only for the sake of PVP. PVPers need to be able to easily find ratters in 00 sec and you can also not expect 00 ratters to scan systems before they can go make money. That would ruin the day for a lot of people, especially PVPers, who would complain that ratters can do their business in near perfect safety.
This argument (easy PVP and easy access), however, should in my opinion not apply to Wormholes of any kind. Your argument of people needing to be in the same system with the wormhole to get knowledge of it would only be valid of there were either less people in Low/00 sec or less busy station systems. But as neither nor is the case, it would be too easy to track you down. Also, in order to find out about the WH, they need to scan it first. That is a little bit of necessary extra effort to have some fun with intruders.

I thought initially that it sounded like a nice idea and thought a bit deeper, Making HS>HS wormholes more accessible, Yes. Making it visible without scanning, after thinking on it as I said, I came to the conclusion that scanning it out would be better. I absolutely reject the idea that every nice thing means we have to have something nasty to suit some weird philosophy some call balance, but make it too easy and they become Gank traps.

A compromise arrangement would be to give HS>HS wormholes a different signature strength to help them stand out more when scanning. And increase the frequency of occurrence.

That's enough of a boost I think.

wormhole hard mmkay?
Plz make them ez.

Changing them to anomolies is a stupid idea.

You and your constructive thoughts...why don't you share it with us?

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