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Mr Breakfast
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Posted - 2006.05.22 05:06:00 -
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Which is considered to be a more powerful ship, the Navy Megathron or the Vindicator? The Navy Mega costs more, but that could just be the rarity factor.
Also, a random unique ships question: Why were the 4 Imperial Apocalypses and Imperial Armageddon handed out? Were they given out at events or because someone killed a special random rat spawn? I'm not asking how to get Imperial issue ships, just curious about the history.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.22 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Deja Thoris on 22/05/2006 05:25:06
Double post ftl
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.22 05:24:00 -
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I'm not a gallente pro but in my view:
Vindicator is the better pvp ship since it's bonii make it a superior blaster ship. The extra midslot also adds versatility in pvp.
Navy megat is *probably* the better pve ship since the extra low slot helps tanking. (Although you could just throw and extra cap recharger on the vindi's midslot)
The imperial type ships were from events. Ships like that will never come from a loot drop. What events exactly I have no idea.
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Madcap Magician
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Posted - 2006.05.22 05:26:00 -
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Amarr Championship
I personally prefer the Vindicator.
There we go, and I never get to post first. 
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2006.05.22 05:47:00 -
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Vindi, more cpu helps so much...
All about target jamming |
LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.22 05:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Ryysa
Vindi, more cpu helps so much...
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.05.22 06:15:00 -
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Navy Mega costs more because it is mostly handed out by agent offers, which cap its price at 500 mil plus mineral cost. To make any profit at all one needs to sell for 900 mil minimum.
as of the stats I'd say that vindi might be much better in many cases, as it gets capacitor capacity bonus when fitted with MWD (you get MORE cap with mwd than without, at least it's how it works no Vigilant) in addition to max hybrid damage bonus from the beginning...
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.05.22 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Vindi, more cpu helps so much...
Mega CPU = 550
Vindi CPU = 550
Navy Mega CPU = 550
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Barek Ironfist
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:04:00 -
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I find the vindicator is the superior ship. The extraa mid slot is more usefull then a low in the navy megathron, and you get a 25% damage bonus without skills.
The only trouble is fitting, as you require faction mods to fit good setups on it because of the cpu. This however should improve with the blaster's getting there cpu fitting's reduced.
And yes, at minmatar battleship level four you get bonus cap for fitting a micro warp drive. :)
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:10:00 -
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Just buy both if you can't choose between them, i did.
Navy for when you want a nice tank with 7 tech II ions and heavy NOS
and Vindi for when you want 4 or 6 points when ur out on the move in a fast fleet or hunting NPCers ( and in this day and age u need more points )
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
The imperial type ships were from events. Ships like that will never come from a loot drop. What events exactly I have no idea.
Heh, actually it happened a while ago... or so it would seem. Some dude posted on the WTS forum that he had an Imperial Apoc BPC for sale. Everyone was like "wtf it can't be Imperial, you got it wrong, it's a Navy Apoc", but the guy kept on saying it was an Impoc and had the price tag to go with it (20B) (still cheap for an Impoc I guess). 20 minutes and a couple dozen replies later the thread had a GM/dev/mod post stating it was all a mistake/bug and the guy got 2 Navy Apoc BPCs while his Impoc BPC was taken away 
Lesson learned for me though: if by some incredible luck I ever get one such BPC, I'll build the ship first and then try to sell it so it actually looks somewhat legit right from the start 
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
Heh, actually it happened a while ago... or so it would seem. Some dude posted on the WTS forum that he had an Imperial Apoc BPC for sale. Everyone was like "wtf it can't be Imperial, you got it wrong, it's a Navy Apoc", but the guy kept on saying it was an Impoc and had the price tag to go with it (20B) (still cheap for an Impoc I guess). 20 minutes and a couple dozen replies later the thread had a GM/dev/mod post stating it was all a mistake/bug and the guy got 2 Navy Apoc BPCs while his Impoc BPC was taken away
Lesson learned for me though: if by some incredible luck I ever get one such BPC, I'll build the ship first and then try to sell it so it actually looks somewhat legit right from the start
If we're thinking about the same event, it was a Fedathron. And if I got the BPC, I'd build it very quietly, and keep it myself. In fact, it would be impossible to keep it from the attention of the GMs for very long so if I was sure it was a bug, I'd consider frapsing it being self destructed, or giving it to an alt and then blowing it up to get the killmail. Just because it would be funny.
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sangxianc
Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
Heh, actually it happened a while ago... or so it would seem. Some dude posted on the WTS forum that he had an Imperial Apoc BPC for sale. Everyone was like "wtf it can't be Imperial, you got it wrong, it's a Navy Apoc", but the guy kept on saying it was an Impoc and had the price tag to go with it (20B) (still cheap for an Impoc I guess). 20 minutes and a couple dozen replies later the thread had a GM/dev/mod post stating it was all a mistake/bug and the guy got 2 Navy Apoc BPCs while his Impoc BPC was taken away
Lesson learned for me though: if by some incredible luck I ever get one such BPC, I'll build the ship first and then try to sell it so it actually looks somewhat legit right from the start
If we're thinking about the same event, it was a Fedathron.
We're not thinking of the same thing then, I remember clearly that it was an Impoc :)
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
Originally by: Sangxianc
Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
Heh, actually it happened a while ago... or so it would seem. Some dude posted on the WTS forum that he had an Imperial Apoc BPC for sale. Everyone was like "wtf it can't be Imperial, you got it wrong, it's a Navy Apoc", but the guy kept on saying it was an Impoc and had the price tag to go with it (20B) (still cheap for an Impoc I guess). 20 minutes and a couple dozen replies later the thread had a GM/dev/mod post stating it was all a mistake/bug and the guy got 2 Navy Apoc BPCs while his Impoc BPC was taken away
Lesson learned for me though: if by some incredible luck I ever get one such BPC, I'll build the ship first and then try to sell it so it actually looks somewhat legit right from the start
If we're thinking about the same event, it was a Fedathron.
We're not thinking of the same thing then, I remember clearly that it was an Impoc :)
There was a guy on sell forums selling an imperial apoc bpc yeah, I've seen it, and it was a bug an agent gave it to him but it wasn't supposed to and the GM's gave him 2 navy apoc bpc's instead
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Ryysa
Vindi, more cpu helps so much...
Hmmm actually the Navy can have a cpuII in extra low so that has "more cpu" but you never know with Ryysa; cant say whether he is wrong or right. He thinks at 500 words per minute talks at 300 words per minute... I just never know with him
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:11:00 -
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Note also that the Vindi has 1.4 x the HP of a MegaT across the board, and that the Navy MegaT has 1.6x
Not to be sniffed at.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Note also that the Vindi has 1.4 x the HP of a MegaT across the board, and that the Navy MegaT has 1.6x
Not to be sniffed at.
Navy T is also heavy. Cap bonus is of the vind is pretty useless to be honest, since your cap comes from the injector, not recharge, although it definetly doesn't hurt. A extra med doesn't do much, 4 is what you need. The 8th low is quite sweet, and with cpu reduction of blasters it no longer needs to be a co-pro. So you can run a 5 slot armor tank and still run 3 damage mods. And that's nothing to be scoffed at for the price of some weight.
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:34:00 -
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5th mid's nice if you manage to fit a win button multispec in there ;).
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 22/05/2006 12:42:26
my 0.02isk :
I belive navy thron is better for pvp than vindi, however 1x multispec is good thing atm, but i hope it gets nerfed to oblivion.
Why is navy thron better:
1. more armor
2. more lowslots = even more armor tank or more damage
3. you need injector anyway
what's good on vindicator:
- agility, but not THAT important
- cap - still everyone has injector on it
- it is probably best ship for belt npcing(but deimos comes close, however ions chew ammo way too fast, also small cargo)
Strange concepts:
It is possible to shield tank vindicator, and with some expensive mods it would get very mean gank squad ship (4x dmg mods + neutron blasters = sick), however since you happen to be in gang, target will get jammed, drained, tded, painted and use of such ship is pretty much overkill. It will just make more ppl run.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Farjung
5th mid's nice if you manage to fit a win button multispec in there ;).
or a win-button alt account sat in a falcon
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:30:00 -
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IMO the Navy mega is better for blasters because a blaster setup has no use for a 5th mid, you already have the mwd/injector/disruptor/web taken care of and anything a 5th mid can do for you is kinda pointless. Plus the great thing about a vinid is that it has all that cap so you really should run passive cap setups which cost billions.
Navy mega has an 8th mid which means you can tank better and do more damage than a normal mega or vindi. In the end neither the vindi or the navy are worth more than the minerals they are made of, the mods are what matters.
A pimped out megathron will easily beat down a vindi or navy mega. Even a mega with normal equipment and a good pilot will likely defeat the average vindi or navy mega.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:37:00 -
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well in these wcs days i know what i'd put there if i'd go somewhere alone.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Levin Cavil
A pimped out megathron will easily beat down a vindi or navy mega. Even a mega with normal equipment and a good pilot will likely defeat the average vindi or navy mega.
I'm gonna take issue with that unless you are saying that a pimped out mega, will beat an UNpimped vindi / navythron.
Theoretically having to do 40% 0r 60% more damage than your opponent does is quite a lot, the skill difference would have to be "significant".
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:27:00 -
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I'd say the Navy Mega is the better PVP ship.
I know alot of people like the Vinidicator, but when it comes down to it, that extra low slot is essentially a free CPU upgrade. When I had my Navy Mega I had a Thon CPU to go with it, 760 or 780 (Can't remember specifically) something CPU made me all nice and happy.
The Vindicator is simply going to have trouble fitting anything at all into that 5th Mid slot, never mind a bloody multispec (55 CPU :P)
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:05:00 -
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Vindicator cause the name is just better... there is more to gaming than having the "best" ship
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
I'd say the Navy Mega is the better PVP ship.
I know alot of people like the Vinidicator, but when it comes down to it, that extra low slot is essentially a free CPU upgrade. When I had my Navy Mega I had a Thon CPU to go with it, 760 or 780 (Can't remember specifically) something CPU made me all nice and happy.
The Vindicator is simply going to have trouble fitting anything at all into that 5th Mid slot, never mind a bloody multispec (55 CPU :P)
I managed it fine ;p (though only hypnos, and "fine" is perhaps a bit of an understatement)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:26:00 -
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tbh best of those two is cnr or rattlesnake... ups:P
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.05.22 19:09:00 -
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bleh...
..fed issue mega > all other megas
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