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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:58:00 -
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Beautiful avatar Rally. I captured your portrait back when I still hunted minmatar terrorists around istodard. (Let me check... 09/2005). 
Forsch
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
try to divine the group noun :-)
How exactly would you like me to turn group nouns into deities?
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GrimGiggler
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:12:00 -
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I thought bonii is what happens after the gang makes that important kill and finds out the loot is amazing (followed by this sound: boing!)
And I really didn't know we were here to learn, my brain is already full
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Dampfschlaghammer
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 22/05/2006 12:28:04
Ok, bonus is an adjective in Latin.
However, also adjectives have different declinations, with bonus following the O-declination like in
Nom. bonus bona bonum boni bonae bona
Gen. boni bonae boni bonorum bonarum bonorum
Dat. bono bonae bono bonis bonis bonis
Akk. bonum bonam bonum bonos bonas bona
Vok. bone! bona! bonum! boni! bonae! bona!
Abl. bono bona bono bonis bonis bonis
(just had to get this table in  .
Nouns with this O-declination have
Singular Plural
Nom. serv-us serv-i
so boni seems to be the most logical plural for bonus.
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:42:00 -
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Another thing that annoys me greatly is when people use "ergo". Stop it. It doesn't make you look smart. We've all seen Matrix Reloaded.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 22/05/2006 13:33:52
So what's the plural form of 'Euro' (the coin)?
I sure hope Euros, because I'll refuse to ever say Euri.
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Dekiri
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dampfschlaghammer
Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 22/05/2006 12:28:04
Ok, bonus is an adjective in Latin.
However, also adjectives have different declinations, with bonus following the O-declination like in
Nom. bonus bona bonum boni bonae bona
Gen. boni bonae boni bonorum bonarum bonorum
Dat. bono bonae bono bonis bonis bonis
Akk. bonum bonam bonum bonos bonas bona
Vok. bone! bona! bonum! boni! bonae! bona!
Abl. bono bona bono bonis bonis bonis
(just had to get this table in .
Nouns with this O-declination have
Singular Plural
Nom. serv-us serv-i
so boni seems to be the most logical plural for bonus.
Thank god someone who has a clue =)
I found the first post very irritating and i have to admit quite disturbing considering that the op is kinda talking out of his ass without knowing much really.
Boni is in fact the most logical another option would be -u declination wich would make the plural of bonus just bonus as far as i remember.
I do not get where the OP got the virus idea from. I think in the case of virus the plural is even also virus. I am not 100% sure though.
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:44:00 -
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Of course the plural of "euro" is "euros".
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Fergus MacGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:52:00 -
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So I don't really know why people throw the extra "i"'s in there, other than the fact that it makes words easier to say.
Bingo; we're lazy.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:11:00 -
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you mean 'bonii', right?
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri
Originally by: Dampfschlaghammer
Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 22/05/2006 12:28:04
Ok, bonus is an adjective in Latin.
However, also adjectives have different declinations, with bonus following the O-declination like in
Nom. bonus bona bonum boni bonae bona
Gen. boni bonae boni bonorum bonarum bonorum
Dat. bono bonae bono bonis bonis bonis
Akk. bonum bonam bonum bonos bonas bona
Vok. bone! bona! bonum! boni! bonae! bona!
Abl. bono bona bono bonis bonis bonis
(just had to get this table in .
Nouns with this O-declination have
Singular Plural
Nom. serv-us serv-i
so boni seems to be the most logical plural for bonus.
Thank god someone who has a clue =)
I found the first post very irritating and i have to admit quite disturbing considering that the op is kinda talking out of his ass without knowing much really.
Boni is in fact the most logical another option would be -u declination wich would make the plural of bonus just bonus as far as i remember.
I do not get where the OP got the virus idea from. I think in the case of virus the plural is even also virus. I am not 100% sure though.
Despite "boni" being the most "logical" option we have to consider the fact that this is English we're talking about here, not Latin. And while it may be accepted in German or other languages, "boni" does not seem to be widely accepted as the proper plural of "bonus" in English.
No, "bonus" as the plural of "bonus" would not work as the word was not a 4th declension noun in Latin; it's an adjective, and as such it's declinated exclusively as detailed in the table above.
Finally, concerning "virus", there is no way that its plural could ever be "virus". I've done a bit of academic-level Latin and I remember that, based on what few ancient texts we still have, there is no use of the Latin word "virus" in the plural form. Grammar would dictate that the logical plural of "virus" be "viri", but "viri" means "men".
Actually, regarding the Latin plural: with a bit of googling I just found out there's also evidence that points to "virus" being a 4th declension noun as opposed to 2nd declension (therefore supporting that the plural could have been "virus", but it's not very conclusive.
My Latin dictionary also lists "virus" as a pluralless neutral noun, which adds to the confusion.
Conclusion? It's much easier to just ignore this whole issue and say "viruses" in English. Likewise for "bonuses". Let's leave the debate over using the classical plural over the proper plural to words where both possibilities are accepted (annoyingly so), such as "hippopotamus", "rhinoceros", "platypus", etc.
And I don't mean to be an ass, but for saying the OP is talking out of his ass (which he wasn't), you don't sound like you know much either. And neither do I, Latin is not my specialty.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:23:00 -
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It pretty easy.
Boni is latin plural for Bonus and the same happens for some other european languages.
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:05:00 -
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Thanks for that .
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Sha Xian
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:06:00 -
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boni is to bonuses as teh is to the
Sha Xian
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:09:00 -
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Hah, to quote another EvE favourite, "You loosers"
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Matthias DuBastyra
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:20:00 -
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That's what I love about EVE! So many intelligent people coming together to share their knowledge in this game. Thanks for the information! I really do appreciate it! In all the forum categories there is something to learn and walk away with all the while saying, "Hmmm, well now. There you go." With that said, thanks for the bonii and keeping us from a mental virii of a lackadaisical education. 
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:28:00 -
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Fungii!
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Boni is latin plural for Bonus and the same happens for some other european languages.
Boni is neither proper latin, nor proper english.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:38:00 -
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Quote:
People putting apostrophes where they aren't needed (Those car's are really fast!) is the most common misuse of grammar in the English language.
Actually, that's not correct. It's the second-most.
Comma splicing is the most common misuse of grammar.
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Carmen Foyeux
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Winter Star
I think you'll be lucky to make a difference with bonuses when so many people can't work out your / you're 
Your not kidding, its amazing how youre everday bloke seems to get this wrong. Bunch of loosers.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rally Wixx
You're not even following the rules for pluralization that you think you're following. I see this a lot with "virus" as well. The correct plural of "virus" is "viruses", but some people insist on "virii". In order for a pluralized word to end in -ii, there must be an "i" which ends the stem of the word. If "virus" was a latin word, its stem would be "vir" not "viri", but "virus" is an english word and does not have a stem because it does not have an inflected ending, or more precisely, the entire word is the stem. So I don't really know why people throw the extra "i"'s in there, other than the fact that it makes words easier to say.
This one is actually more interesting that that. 'Virus' actually is the plural form in Latin. To a doctor, you never have a single 'virus' organisim. You either have many or you have none. Just one virus would quickly build copies of itself or die. More modern doctors tend to recognize a single organisim, though, so they invariably use 'viruses'.
Things get more interesting when you throw computers into the mix. You can have a single program on your system acting as a virus, so it makes sense to split singular and plural forms. Some say that we should use 'virii' as a way of differentiating from a biological virus, but if we wanted to go that route, we should have never chosen the term 'virus' to describe a malicious computer program in the first place.
(The choice of using virus for computer programs may actually be quite fortunate, as much research into how biological viruses spread is surprisingly applicable to the spread of computer viruses. If 'virus' hadn't been applied to computers, we might not have recognized that fact. But that's a whole other topic.)
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: Rally Wixx
I see this a lot with "virus" as well. The correct plural of "virus" is "viruses", but some people insist on "virii".
In Latin there is no plural form of virus, only singular, so viri isn't the proper plural of it in any case. Btw, in other languages boni is at least an allowed plural of bonus, so don't expect people to stop using it because of your rant.
Not to mention that an -ii ending only happens in latin when the root ends with an i. The "viri" form originates from hacking lingo, used a) as a colloqialism and b) to distinguish a computer virus from a normal virus.
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Ryea Eripmav
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:10:00 -
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Oh how this thread entertains me!
I am so glad there are intelligent people in EVE willing to discuss these things. Bad spelling, punctuation and grammar drive me nuts when I am convinced someone should know better. Thank you for bringing to my attention the fact I am not alone.
Now, having gotten that out, I must say that in the little amount of time I have spent learning a second language, which the American education system sadly does not emphasize enough, I have learned that the "logical" conjugation does not fit all circumstances. I am not saying "boni" is incorrect -I am saying logic, when it comes to language, does not always apply. And in the end, it all comes down to speaking in a way one's audience can understand.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 22/05/2006 16:13:38
Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: Rally Wixx
You're not even following the rules for pluralization that you think you're following. I see this a lot with "virus" as well. The correct plural of "virus" is "viruses", but some people insist on "virii". In order for a pluralized word to end in -ii, there must be an "i" which ends the stem of the word. If "virus" was a latin word, its stem would be "vir" not "viri", but "virus" is an english word and does not have a stem because it does not have an inflected ending, or more precisely, the entire word is the stem. So I don't really know why people throw the extra "i"'s in there, other than the fact that it makes words easier to say.
This one is actually more interesting that that. 'Virus' actually is the plural form in Latin. To a doctor, you never have a single 'virus' organisim. You either have many or you have none. Just one virus would quickly build copies of itself or die. More modern doctors tend to recognize a single organisim, though, so they invariably use 'viruses'.
Things get more interesting when you throw computers into the mix. You can have a single program on your system acting as a virus, so it makes sense to split singular and plural forms. Some say that we should use 'virii' as a way of differentiating from a biological virus, but if we wanted to go that route, we should have never chosen the term 'virus' to describe a malicious computer program in the first place.
(The choice of using virus for computer programs may actually be quite fortunate, as much research into how biological viruses spread is surprisingly applicable to the spread of computer viruses. If 'virus' hadn't been applied to computers, we might not have recognized that fact. But that's a whole other topic.)
Only... virus originally means "venom" (or, alternatively "slimy liquid", according to my Cassell's), as the organisms themselves were discovered what, 1500 years after the split of the roman empire? Again, water is a non-plural word (or SHOULD be, if it wasn't for the nautical applications).
"I have many venoms and slimy waters in my cardiovasculari systems"
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Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:13:00 -
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I think of the use of the terms "boni" and "bonii" not as those wanting to seem more intelligent, but as a part of the common language that is formed around a game. Take "Rep", in short form in normal english, outside of the game, most people would consider it meant reputation. In game terms people understand it to mean repair. People tend to go for shorter words, or easier to pronounce words too.
So if anything "bonii" is a game term we use, and frankly I think it sounds cooler and is cooler then "bonuses" so I say we should continue using "bonii".
Languages evolve over time. Having spelling and grammar correct all the time does not push the language forward.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:16:00 -
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And on another note.
I have one complaint that gives me a nervous tick and forces me to commit violent acts.
"Should of", "Would of", "Could of".
This is bad. BAD BAD BAD and wrong.
If you intend to type them as two seperate words, it's "Should have", "would have", and "could have"!
Otherwise, please use the proper conjugation.
"Should've", "Would've", "Could've".
Otherwise we will be forced to bring forth the beating sticks.
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Fuk Mi
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Matthias DuBastyra
With that said, thanks for the bonii and keeping us from a mental virii of a lackadaisical education.
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Pang Grohl
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Winter Star
Edited by: Winter Star on 22/05/2006 10:55:11
I think a certain amount of adherence to convention is required. I only hope that txt spk dsnt tk ovr! tht wud do me hed in.
Amen...
I think most of this comes from what is easier to type in a rush. 'Boni' is four keystrokes shorter than 'bonuses'. Welcome to the era of Internet patois.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
I saw Pizza's on special offer at Sainsbury's a while back. I refused to buy them on principle, as I wasn't sure which item belonging to Pizza I was going to end up with...
Now, please do correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure in the company of such esteemed pedants that won't be a problem), but I thought it was accepted usage in english that when pluralising a foreign word ending with a vowel an apostrophe should be used.
Could another expert enlighten me?
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:15:00 -
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While the OP is correct I think it's fair to say that language changes. The example of Octupus/Succubus and Octopi/Succubi is a good one - language becomes what it becomes. Correctness morphs over time.
We would find it extremely hard to recognise something written in our own native languages from 500 years ago and the same will be true in 500 years time.
I used to be a spelling/grammar pedant but came to realise it was futile and narrow-minded when I saw how fast language started changing with the advent of the internet (yes, I'm old enough to remember a time without it ). I also now realise that actually strict language rules are an oppressive tool and are used by a ruling elite to maintain the misconception that they know better than "us plebs" but that's a digression...
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