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Kesrina
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:36:00 -
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With everything else in the game there is a counter. Not so with drones. Over the last few weeks we have been doing many tests regarding the impact of drones on PvP and the results are disturbing. To understand, lets go over the tests:
1) Player in cruiser sitting with drones in bay and doing nothing. Player warps in and locks with a frigate and jams the opponent. The cruiser releases drones and they attack automatically.
2) Player warps in and damps the other player so that he is out of the other player's targeting range but drones still go for him.
3) Player briefly comes into drone range and then accelerates. The cruiser puts drones on the player and those drones stick with the player despite him flying over 200km from the drone wielder. The drone wielder can still recall the drones.
4) Players warp in and snap all ewar possible on the drone ship but he neither needs to target or activate anything, just launch drones.
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In end effect drones are essentially extended duration FOF missiles with no deficits to damage, no limiting range and grant the wielding player complete immunity to EWAR. Even FOF wielders are subject to EWAR as FOF missiles will only go after something in targeting range of the ship. Dampeners dont affect drones in the slightest. The result of this is seen in several engagements.
One ishkur with tech 2 drones is attacked by 14 frigates and manages to kill almost all of them, only 14 getting away. The drone wielder need mount only a tank and maybe some nos and the frigates have absolutely no chance. Any situation that allows one ship to kill 14 in the same size is problematic as it leads to imbalance. No battleship could survive 14 ships ... well ... except a drone wielder.
A dominix could easily kill a frigate fleet of 50 or more frigates using tech 2 drones. Since there is no need for targeting he could practically go AFK while doing it.
I realize that drones used to be gimped but the pendulum has swung way way too far. This REALLY needs to be looked at as right now the power of drones is far far too large. Throughout our tests, we still have not foind a valid counter to drones that can be used by small ships. Now with sentry drones and scramble drones and webber drones, they are massively overpowered.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:39:00 -
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the "mwd to 200km and let your drones aggro everything" is now considered an exploit and is going to be patched this week
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Sarmaul
the "mwd to 200km and let your drones aggro everything" is now considered an exploit and is going to be patched this week
funny thing is, thats how TDG used our drones in 2004, release drones on thorax, use double/tripple mwd to get far away, and watch enemy frigates getting pwned by your heavy drones without a chance to fight back.
Ahh funny times
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G'eron
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:48:00 -
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So you're having problems with 14 frigs against an iskur? or with 50 frigates against a Domi? try starting with the tutorial again please...especially when you use ECM, then just cancel your accounts.There are ways to counter drones....you cant counter FOF (forget about Defenders) but ways to counter drones. So tell us why drones are overpowered? oh and showme sentry drones hitting Cruisers/frigs in say 20km orbit?
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Murehk on 22/05/2006 09:54:34
Drone's do have an effective counter. They are basically the same as ceptor's so once webbed they can be pretty much insta'popped. Or at least that is from my experience with them.
Also I thought if they went out of the range that the player could control them at, once thier target had been destroyed they just sat there and you had to fly over to get them back although I'm unsure on this one and am not in game to try it.
You mentioned FoF's and they also render all EW useless. A caracal with a few FoF's in the cargo hold which I'm sure alot of sane pilots have will stand a good chance against an EW ship because with good skills they can easily shoot them from bout 90km (not sure on exact distance) with good skills and no need for a lock.
Admitidly drones can be downright deadly but a drone ships drones are meant to be its main attack. I think if you got a domi and used drones and a raven and used FoF's they would both come out about equal against an EW ship.
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:04:00 -
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What so 14 frigates couldn't web the drones and blow them up before they all died?
Drones shouldn't work outside of their max range I agree, and they should do what they're told. Other than that they seem alright to me.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:05:00 -
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 flight time
can be killed via guns and missiles
can be killed via smartbombs
can be jamed afaik
warp out u loose them!
if they autoagro each drone picks a target, if there are 25 targets the damage is pretty spred out which sucks
most dmg drones are thermal, everyone + dog tanks thermal, rest are much weaker!
large drones cant track smaller drones and are too slow to catch mwd frigs and some crusiers!
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
the "mwd to 200km and let your drones aggro everything" is now considered an exploit and is going to be patched this week
Really? Seems fairly valid to me within the confines of game mechanics.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
flight time
can be killed via guns and missiles
can be killed via smartbombs
can be jamed afaik
warp out u loose them!
if they autoagro each drone picks a target, if there are 25 targets the damage is pretty spred out which sucks
most dmg drones are thermal, everyone + dog tanks thermal, rest are much weaker!
large drones cant track smaller drones and are too slow to catch mwd frigs and some crusiers!
Unfortunately, these drawbacks do little to compensate for just how good drones are.
The same way explosion velocity and radius does little to compensate for how good missiles are.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:22:00 -
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Next time, micromanage your own drones. Set one single light ECM drone on each of the enemy's drones.
Hint: Anything ECMy, even ECM drones, have a 100% chance of jamming drones.
Also, with regards to OP... that only works in tests. During the conditions described it takes the drones approximatly 30 seconds to get into a range where they hit, and after the fight anything from 30 seconds to several minutes to get them into hold again. (Drones don't warp, so either you warp to them and risk loosing control of them or you and them get a nice slow-boat session together).
As far as "deficit to damage" the people stating "drones do a lot of damage" have actually ben smoking stuff manufactured by Serpentis. Drone boats, in addition, tend to perform like the marlboro cowboy does in bed (very impotently) at long range.
Also, if the Ishkur attacked 14 frigates and "only" 14 got away... well... 14 - 14 = 0 kills. And how on earth they didn't manage to kill the Ishkur, I cannot imagine. Were they Ibises all of them? No, even Ibises should do enough damage.
And no, the frigate fleet of 20 need to consist of a large proportion of really stupid people, possibly they friendly fire a lot, in order to lose against a Dominix. I know. I use Dominix myself, and they are highly overrated. People just never inform themselves on what they need to do in order to overcome them.
The only claim to fame you could possibly have with drones is the ships that use drones and the module sets which those ships tend to use (hint: ECM and Nos).
This thred is silly.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Gronsak on 22/05/2006 10:25:45
Originally by: Ithildin
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Hint: Anything ECMy, even ECM drones, have a 100% chance of jamming drones.
hope they fix that, tbh it has to be a unthought sensor strength put in, each racial drone should have racial strength of at lest 6! meaning even a multispec has a > 80% chance of jamming one but a light drone fins it hard to jam a heavy t2 drone 
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Kesrina
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Astrum Ludus
What so 14 frigates couldn't web the drones and blow them up before they all died?
Drones shouldn't work outside of their max range I agree, and they should do what they're told. Other than that they seem alright to me.
You cant go that route simply because it doesnt work. The drone wielder can keep spitting out drones one after another as fast as you can kill them and you end up in an engagement where he is taking no damage and getting kill after kill after kill, only loosing some drones in the process. By the time he runs out of drones, your fleet will be so depleted that you cant ***** the tank.
Other notes:
1) Smartbombs dont affect drones significantly unless they are large smartbombs which you are going to have a heck of a time mounting on frigs.
2) Drones that break lock instantly reacquire lock so its a waste of cap, furthermore targeting and jamming them all individually is like trying to jam 40 frigates.
I expected the drone wielders to come out in force to flame but the reality is there for all to see regardless of trolling, flaming and all the other BS you see above.
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jernej
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
Originally by: Astrum Ludus
What so 14 frigates couldn't web the drones and blow them up before they all died?
Drones shouldn't work outside of their max range I agree, and they should do what they're told. Other than that they seem alright to me.
You cant go that route simply because it doesnt work. The drone wielder can keep spitting out drones one after another as fast as you can kill them and you end up in an engagement where he is taking no damage and getting kill after kill after kill, only loosing some drones in the process. By the time he runs out of drones, your fleet will be so depleted that you cant ***** the tank.
Other notes:
1) Smartbombs dont affect drones significantly unless they are large smartbombs which you are going to have a heck of a time mounting on frigs.
2) Drones that break lock instantly reacquire lock so its a waste of cap, furthermore targeting and jamming them all individually is like trying to jam 40 frigates.
I expected the drone wielders to come out in force to flame but the reality is there for all to see regardless of trolling, flaming and all the other BS you see above.
There are only 2 ships that can deploy more than 1 swarm of heavys. Next...
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:43:00 -
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Erm, I can almost instapop T2 drones in my rupture, and if they've got some webs on them I can even take them out in my tempest.
They're very easy to counter.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Erm, I can almost instapop T2 drones in my rupture
I should hope so.
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Kesrina
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Erm, I can almost instapop T2 drones in my rupture, and if they've got some webs on them I can even take them out in my tempest.
They're very easy to counter.
The post refers to them versus light ships. Last I checked a tempest isnt a light ship.
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
Originally by: Astrum Ludus
What so 14 frigates couldn't web the drones and blow them up before they all died?
Drones shouldn't work outside of their max range I agree, and they should do what they're told. Other than that they seem alright to me.
You cant go that route simply because it doesnt work. The drone wielder can keep spitting out drones one after another as fast as you can kill them and you end up in an engagement where he is taking no damage and getting kill after kill after kill, only loosing some drones in the process. By the time he runs out of drones, your fleet will be so depleted that you cant ***** the tank.
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I expected the drone wielders to come out in force to flame but the reality is there for all to see regardless of trolling, flaming and all the other BS you see above.
Your example was an Ishkur, that would be with the 40m3 drone bay?
I make that 8 drones, more likely 4, you know it's doable.
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Aakron
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:16:00 -
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An ishkur webbed 14 times would be so incredibly dead, please dont complain because your frig fleets aren't setup correctly.
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errorist
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
Edited by: Kesrina on 22/05/2006 10:30:31
With everything else in the game there is a counter. Not so with drones. Over the last few weeks we have been doing many tests regarding the impact of drones on PvP and the results are disturbing. To understand, lets go over the tests:
1) Player in cruiser sitting with drones in bay and doing nothing. Player warps in and locks with a frigate and jams the opponent. The cruiser releases drones and they attack automatically.
2) Player warps in and damps the other player so that he is out of the other player's targeting range but drones still go for him.
3) Player briefly comes into drone range and then accelerates. The cruiser puts drones on the player and those drones stick with the player despite him flying over 200km from the drone wielder. The drone wielder can still recall the drones.
4) Players warp in and snap all ewar possible on the drone ship but he neither needs to target or activate anything, just launch drones.
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In end effect drones are essentially extended duration FOF missiles with no deficits to damage, no limiting range and grant the wielding player complete immunity to EWAR. Even FOF wielders are subject to EWAR as FOF missiles will only go after something in targeting range of the ship. Dampeners dont affect drones in the slightest. The result of this is seen in several engagements.
One ishkur with tech 2 drones is attacked by 14 frigates and manages to kill almost all of them, only 4 getting away. The drone wielder need mount only a tank and maybe some nos and the frigates have absolutely no chance. Any situation that allows one ship to kill 14 in the same size is problematic as it leads to imbalance. No battleship could survive 14 ships ... well ... except a drone wielder.
A dominix could easily kill a frigate fleet of 50 or more frigates using tech 2 drones. Since there is no need for targeting he could practically go AFK while doing it.
I realize that drones used to be gimped but the pendulum has swung way way too far. This REALLY needs to be looked at as right now the power of drones is far far too large. Throughout our tests, we still have not foind a valid counter to drones that can be used by small ships. Now with sentry drones and scramble drones and webber drones, they are massively overpowered.
EDIT: Fixed typo in Ishkur incident narriation
okey fine you make a good point there, then just give the dominix 4 k PG more as standart (before skills kick in ) then they maby could change the domi's main damage which is drones, and btw what are you actually whining about ? no need for targeting against a 50 frig fleet, do you even fly the dominix or do you even pvp ? my over tanked domi for npc'ing has been torn appart by elite frig fleets smaller then the one you mention -.-
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
Edited by: Kesrina on 22/05/2006 10:30:31
1) Player in cruiser sitting with drones in bay and doing nothing. Player warps in and locks with a frigate and jams the opponent. The cruiser releases drones and they attack automatically.
4) Players warp in and snap all ewar possible on the drone ship but he neither needs to target or activate anything, just launch drones.
Drones only attack if they are deployed when someone 'initiate's' a hostile action against you, so if like you say above you warp in and jam them before they can get a lock and they have yet to release the drones they will have to lock you before the drones attack.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:11:00 -
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14 frigs are enough to kill a Domi.
14 Megathrons with Miner IIs no tank at all and scrambling each other can die to a single Incursus....
Is there a point in this example?
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:12:00 -
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Dud you must have made that ishkur stuff up. The damage 14 frigates can put out will take down an iskur in no time at all. Just say there was 1 dampening frig and 13 others. The ishkur cant lock so it cant webb or scramble and any frig can easily warp out when hit by drones. Just say that the average frig will do 40dps when you count in only 10 frigs that number goes up to 400 raw DPS. There is no way an ishkur can tank this and it will go down very fats. Same story with the dominix just get 1 maulus to dampen and your laughing. If drones go after you just warp out then come back. 50 frigates will take out a dominix in seconds. Just say average frigate does 40dps (very conservative interceptors can easily do 100+) when you get 50 frigs thats easily 2000 dps which no BS can tank.
Wow drones can go out to 200km. Pity when your enemy is 200km away you cant hold him down or use EW. The enemy is just gonna lock your drones pop them then fly away laughing.
Both your examples are complete BS and will not happen. There is no way in hell that a dominix can take 15 frigates let alone 50 (ok maybe if they were rooki ships but even then...) and there is no way an ishkur could do that.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:35:00 -
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Missiles are wAY mor eoverpowered that drones (no good counters at all, never miss, huge damage at close, cabable of doing damage from range too) yet nobody whines. Shut up, you Caldari bastards.
And no way can a single Ishkur wbeat 14 figs, unless they were noobs in Velators with 1 civilian gun. Ishkur isn't actually any beter at usign drones that a cruiser is, it just has a big drone bay for a frigate and a decent tank.
The drones following outside drone rnage thing is a bug and it will be fixed next patch.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:42:00 -
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ahhh... i see the cluelessness is strong within you.
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Erm, I can almost instapop T2 drones in my rupture, and if they've got some webs on them I can even take them out in my tempest.
They're very easy to counter.
The post refers to them versus light ships. Last I checked a tempest isnt a light ship.
What, you think it's easier to take out drones in a BS than it is to take them out in a frigate? 
They have a counter, it's called an AC thrasher.
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
One ishkur with tech 2 drones is attacked by 14 frigates and manages to kill almost all of them, only 4 getting away. The drone wielder need mount only a tank and maybe some nos and the frigates have absolutely no chance. Any situation that allows one ship to kill 14 in the same size is problematic as it leads to imbalance. No battleship could survive 14 ships ... well ... except a drone wielder.
EDIT: Fixed typo in Ishkur incident narriation
With any test the problem is making it fair, you havnt mentioned the skill level of the piots involved or setups, a very large facter is setups and if you dont have the right setup you wont be able to counter it. Also you havnt mentioned whether the 14 attacking frigates are tec1/AFs/Intys.
Your crying for a drone gimp based on the results of this one unbalanced test you've done, I think maybe you should do some more testing.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
1) Player in cruiser sitting with drones in bay and doing nothing. Player warps in and locks with a frigate and jams the opponent. The cruiser releases drones and they attack automatically.
Really? Has something changed in the game?
As far as I know, I have to give the drones an initial target first, otherwise they do nothing. If I'm jammed before I can target, launch drones and order them to attack, I'm screwed.
Has this changed somehow?
Originally by: Kesrina
One ishkur with tech 2 drones is attacked by 14 frigates and manages to kill almost all of them, only 4 getting away. The drone wielder need mount only a tank and maybe some nos and the frigates have absolutely no chance.
Seriously, wtf?
I'm an Ishkur pilot with pretty good skills (assault ship V, tech2 drones, etc). If I get jumped by 14 tech1 frigates I expect to die, and die extremely fast -- I would run like hell given the chance. Sure, I could probably take a few down, but the outcome is quite clear.
Even with half that many t1 frigates, my money would be on the frigate gang.
Hell, even 2-3 well-flown t1 frigates with decent skills should be able to kill an Ishkur.
What were you using, newbie ships with mining lasers?
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
With everything else in the game there is a counter. Not so with drones. Over the last few weeks we have been doing many tests regarding the impact of drones on PvP and the results are disturbing. To understand, lets go over the tests:
1) Player in cruiser sitting with drones in bay and doing nothing. Player warps in and locks with a frigate and jams the opponent. The cruiser releases drones and they attack automatically.
2) Player warps in and damps the other player so that he is out of the other player's targeting range but drones still go for him.
3) Player briefly comes into drone range and then accelerates. The cruiser puts drones on the player and those drones stick with the player despite him flying over 200km from the drone wielder. The drone wielder can still recall the drones.
4) Players warp in and snap all ewar possible on the drone ship but he neither needs to target or activate anything, just launch drones.
Now, as far as I have used drones I have always had 2 very specific problems, that seem at odds with these tests.
1. Drones AI is useless. Without giving drones specific orders they just sit there, as they won't attack a target that has aggressed you Before you launched the drones. They will attack targets that aggress you while they are in space.
2. A single interceptor eats 3 waves of tech 2 warriors for breakfeast. I've faught against inty pilots in a Mega, with high drone skills and my drone bay full of these babes, confident in the knoledge that I'm safe. I sure was suprised when it wiped out those drones while I nossed the darn thing continuesly.
To be frank, I don't know how you got results like that. In TQ in "real" situations, I have never seen anything like that happening.
And as such, by targeting and shooting the drones first they can be destroyed very easily. The only exeption being, if the drone carrier fits all His with remote reps or shield transporters or a combination of both. It could be sick, in a way.
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In end effect drones are essentially extended duration FOF missiles with no deficits to damage, no limiting range and grant the wielding player complete immunity to EWAR. Even FOF wielders are subject to EWAR as FOF missiles will only go after something in targeting range of the ship. Dampeners dont affect drones in the slightest. The result of this is seen in several engagements.
To a limited effect this is true. However no other weapon system holds so few reloads as the drones, and with the limit of max 5 drones out, they can be destroyd easily with small guns, missiles, light drones, Smart Bombs! etc etc. making them very easy to counter.
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One ishkur with tech 2 drones is attacked by 14 frigates and manages to kill almost all of them, only 4 getting away. The drone wielder need mount only a tank and maybe some nos and the frigates have absolutely no chance. Any situation that allows one ship to kill 14 in the same size is problematic as it leads to imbalance. No battleship could survive 14 ships ... well ... except a drone wielder.
A dominix could easily kill a frigate fleet of 50 or more frigates using tech 2 drones. Since there is no need for targeting he could practically go AFK while doing it.
Yes, the droneships are meant to be short range support and anti frig platforms. It's in the fluff. Except of course if the Frigs know what they are doing and wipe out the drones firs, not waste ammo on the carrier.
Any single BS setup right can kill 50+ friggies, if they prepare right. Just put up a bubble, 8 SB and activate. Bang, frig fleet gone.
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This REALLY needs to be looked at as right now the power of drones is far far too large. Throughout our tests, we still have not foind a valid counter to drones that can be used by small ships.
Shoot the drones.Then the carrier is helpless.Easiest weapon system to counter,as it doesn't need any extra mods.
Prepare!
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
You cant go that route simply because it doesnt work. The drone wielder can keep spitting out drones one after another as fast as you can kill them and you end up in an engagement where he is taking no damage and getting kill after kill after kill, only loosing some drones in the process. By the time he runs out of drones, your fleet will be so depleted that you cant ***** the tank.
1) Smartbombs dont affect drones significantly unless they are large smartbombs which you are going to have a heck of a time mounting on frigs.
2) Drones that break lock instantly reacquire lock so its a waste of cap, furthermore targeting and jamming them all individually is like trying to jam 40 frigates.
I expected the drone wielders to come out in force to flame but the reality is there for all to see regardless of trolling, flaming and all the other BS you see above.
1) Agreed small SBs are useless.
2) The drone carrier can only send 5 drones out after the drone "boost". Thats the same amount a single frig can. That means 2 frigs can constantly jam all of the Drone carriers drones. Always. If anything the Drone "boost" made drones easier to counter.
3) to the initial argument. The drone carrier can only deploy 5 drones. As such you have 3 times less targets you had befor the drone "boost". As such, with an insta locking frig locking and destroying these drones is childs play. Even more so since the heavy drone tracking was nerfed.
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:47:00 -
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If you can't kill a single ishkur with 14 frigs you do not have enough skills to even be discussing ingame issues on this forum, as someone said - back to the tutorial. Furthermore your EW argument is flawed.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
Edited by: Kesrina on 22/05/2006 10:30:31
With everything else in the game there is a counter. Not so with drones. Over the last few weeks we have been doing many tests regarding the impact of drones on PvP and the results are disturbing. To understand, lets go over the tests:
1) Player in cruiser sitting with drones in bay and doing nothing. Player warps in and locks with a frigate and jams the opponent. The cruiser releases drones and they attack automatically.
2) Player warps in and damps the other player so that he is out of the other player's targeting range but drones still go for him.
3) Player briefly comes into drone range and then accelerates. The cruiser puts drones on the player and those drones stick with the player despite him flying over 200km from the drone wielder. The drone wielder can still recall the drones.
4) Players warp in and snap all ewar possible on the drone ship but he neither needs to target or activate anything, just launch drones.
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I stopped there..what a load of crap: if the drones are in the bay and you release them after someone got agro on you they dont do ****, just just orbit you thats all, you need to or have a lock or have them out when someone engages you. And Buhu to i get engaged by drones when he doesnt have a lock go whine @ cruisemissiles than. Also try to engage a dominix with 3 people and jam him rightaway..he wont do ****.
Here is my impression of the drone-AI:
drone1,2,3,4,5: teh target is dead
drone1: lets kill that guy 40 k away
drone2: NOO way im gonna shoot that gate
drone3: IM a drone of peace! im gonna idle 1.550M from you
drone4: woohoo you are all wrong that inty that moves 4 km/s @ 20 k is my target
drone5: BOOM after getting battered by gun/missile fire
I got engaged by an isthar and my ares flew 100 k away from it while his light warrior 2 kept chasing me, than he lost control and i blew his tech 2 drones out of space while laughin @ the moron.
and if you dont like all of this, fight a FOF cruise raven solo, you are in for some good...
Ok some people might disagree on the forums and such, but you are telling dirty dirty lies...BAD MAN, BAD MAN
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kesrina
Edited by: Kesrina on 22/05/2006 10:30:31
One ishkur with tech 2 drones is attacked by 14 frigates and manages to kill almost all of them, only 4 getting away.
Please you and your 14 friends cancel your accounts and go for RF-Online. This isnt a rant its just a hint as clearly you and your friends have no ideas how to play this game...
Drones die very fast to frigates, so who told you to target ship first and let drones kill you all? You copied that "strategy" from npcs right?
If you kill his drones he is helpless, true ishkur and dominix have bigger drone bays and that let them have multiple waves but... when they are gone he is helpless, and 14 frigates have really very impressive firepower unless they are equiped with civilian gatlings, and take down drones as fast as they can lock them, and there are only 5 drones in wave so 3 frigates on 1 drone and you was so badly kicked? You really should cancel accounts...
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Here is my impression of the drone-AI:
drone1,2,3,4,5: teh target is dead
drone1: lets kill that guy 40 k away
drone2: NOO way im gonna shoot that gate
drone3: IM a drone of peace! im gonna idle 1.550M from you
drone4: woohoo you are all wrong that inty that moves 4 km/s @ 20 k is my target
drone5: BOOM after getting battered by gun/missile fire
All too true. 
Everything made more sense to me after I started thinking of drones as cats or kittens.
me: drones, attack target
drone 1: looks puzzled and waits for catfood
drone 2: chaaaarge! banzai!
drone 3: don't feel like it, I'll just play with this asteroid instead
drone 4: chaaarrg.... waitaminute, there's a mining station much nearer, chaaaaaaarge that instead!
drone 5: retreat! retreat!
me: oh ferchrissake! come back to drone bay then!
drone 1: no way
drone 2: look! a telescope! kill!
drone 3: huh? (curls up in space and refuses to move anymore)
drone 4: *kaboom*
drone 5: entering drone bay now (crawls to 1.50001 km from ship and stops)
Cats. It all makes sense.
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TraxNet
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:21:00 -
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Plz trash ur 14 noob ships equiped with civilian guns and go buy a mining barge, ur targets wont run away lol.
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Cap Spock
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Posted - 2006.10.19 11:35:00 -
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Dude, use smartbombs or just cancel your account.
Can I buy your account please ?
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.19 12:05:00 -
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okay everyone i think you made the point clear enough, please stop harrassing this new player with your troll comments, hes probably exagerating about 14 frigates and he is new.
yes the ishkur would probably kill your frigates very quickly with its t2 drones, infact vs any frigate t2 drones would take about 8 seconds to kill one with 5 of them out at once, plus the fact thie ishkur might have had t2 guns, against gallente frigates the ishkur will almost certainly kill most of them, even when webbed the ishkur only needs 1 plate and 2 repairers to prevent it from dying.
you should certainly re-assess the way you and your frigate fleet do things because 1 vs 14 shouldnt win.
may i ask for the exact number of frigates used and the race of most of them?
and for everyone else who feels like harrassing this new person i think your all weak, he made a simple mistake and over estimated their abilitys and im sure you must have all made mistakes when you were new so please stop telling him to cancel his account and all the others.
Im sure CCP will have somthing to say about this sort of bullying.
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Maritz
Gallente
WarpCorp
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Posted - 2006.10.19 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: JustBlaze
okay everyone i think you made the point clear enough, please stop harrassing this new player with your troll comments, hes probably exagerating about 14 frigates and he is new.
yes the ishkur would probably kill your frigates very quickly with its t2 drones, infact vs any frigate t2 drones would take about 8 seconds to kill one with 5 of them out at once, plus the fact thie ishkur might have had t2 guns, against gallente frigates the ishkur will almost certainly kill most of them, even when webbed the ishkur only needs 1 plate and 2 repairers to prevent it from dying.
you should certainly re-assess the way you and your frigate fleet do things because 1 vs 14 shouldnt win.
may i ask for the exact number of frigates used and the race of most of them?
and for everyone else who feels like harrassing this new person i think your all weak, he made a simple mistake and over estimated their abilitys and im sure you must have all made mistakes when you were new so please stop telling him to cancel his account and all the others.
Im sure CCP will have somthing to say about this sort of bullying.
Er.. The title of the thread is 'drones are now way overpowered based on tests'. Doesn't that sort of strike you as asking for trouble ? Though I agree, the argument has now had a bag put over its head and been vigorously beaten with bats.
Very well... Give him CAKE
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.19 12:23:00 -
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yup but it only takes 1 person to tell him not 20.no one suggested anything that was helpful.
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Malena Panic
Gallente
Acme Technologies Incorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.19 12:52:00 -
[39]
Originally by: JustBlaze
yup but it only takes 1 person to tell him not 20.no one suggested anything that was helpful.
Well except the post comparing drones to cats.
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.19 13:05:00 -
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God **** thread necro. 
Max 
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Peter Stuyvesant
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.19 13:10:00 -
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Mods, please can you auto-lock threads after one month of no posts? It used not to be necessary but with the new wave of 'special' players, it seems it is now. Every other thread I see is a necro.
<sigh>
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Trind2222
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.19 13:39:00 -
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Lol i guest your gang can't even hadle mining drones
1.Mine drone: engace target noob's a head
2.Mine drone: Good to pwp noobs
3.Mine drone:Lets have a atsroid party.
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.10.19 14:34:00 -
[43]
I appreciate this thread for the comparison of drones to soft, fluffy, and very stupid felines.
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Paxmerlin
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Posted - 2006.10.19 15:09:00 -
[44]
Drone counter? ummm use drones? or did you forget to train the skill?
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johnnyknoxvile
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Posted - 2006.10.19 18:18:00 -
[45]
leave drones be tbh they rock!!!! if not train them yourself and stop *****ing!!
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Ventrilla
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Posted - 2006.11.02 08:32:00 -
[46]
Nominated for the most idiotic thead of the month November...
Only somebody that doesn't use drones regulary could have written this.
Personally, I would've found that 14 frig vw. 1 T2 Frig scenario highly embarassing, but that obviously didn't stop you from posting it... ;)
Greatly looking forward to meeting you or any of your peeps in bewlow .5 space with my domi...
See you there!
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Ankanos
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.11.02 08:53:00 -
[47]
Originally by: LWMaverick
ahhh... i see the cluelessness is strong within you.
(op)
/Mav
ROFL..
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:04:00 -
[48]
Why do people do this necro crap?
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1911 ftw
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:08:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Why do people do this necro crap?
To make people think that drones are teh uber, and divert attention away from the godmode and the godmode (er, I meant the rokh and the drake)...
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Fogy
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:54:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Fogy on 02/11/2006 14:55:41
Originally by: Kesrina
<snip>
1. is wrong. if your jammed and release drones AFTER the friggie atacks you.. the drones wont do anything..
2. If target has drones out and you do an agressive action, they'll go for you yes.
if target has drones in the bay when beeing dampend and shott, THEN releases drones, they wont do jack ****t.
3. thats the tacktic to use against domies and maby ishtars, when in a friggie gang. kite the drones away and lett the rest of the gang have the target.
4. see point 2.
"storry."
If 14 friggies cant kill a ishtar, then your doing something WERRY wrong.
Learn to play, stop whining.
I'w killd dommies with 6 man ceptor gang.. we had 2 shipps with ECM to counter the nos part. we did have to warp out ocationaly.
all it takes is brains and piloting skills. (knowledge of game mechanics)
EDIT: DOH G'DMN NECRO!! 
Cheers!
Fogy
"From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:59:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 02/11/2006 15:04:15
Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 02/11/2006 15:02:52
Let me get this straight because it cant be right, are people complaining that they cannot destroy the drones of a Battleship and the battleship itself while piloting a frigate? Seems quite normal to me (unless the bs pilot realy screwed up) that this would be the case regardless of the weapon being used by the battleship (except torpedoes, those dont hit anything other than BS' for crap).
There are tons of things on a BS that can kill frigates fast while being jammed. Fof missiles, Large smartbombs, Eccm's and a web.
Drones are fine, if you ever used one you'll know they have their own problems.
1. Yes drones will auto attack, but only if they are currently in space and someone activates a hostile module on you (like a gun). THe problem is if they activate their weapons before you launch them they dont attack and even if they do they end up attacking different targets if there are multiple enemies.
2. Drones can be neutralized completly by an equal ammount of ANY strength ec-x00 drone.
3. Having drones persue past your control range is NOT A GOOD THING. They definitly DONT come back to you and when you try and recall they ignore your commands because they are out of range. Now you have to fly all the way out to them to call them back. You want to **** off a drone pilot? Fly realy far away fast and then warp away.
4. Drones are the only offensive weapon platform that can be destroyed and negated BEFORE the ship is destroyed and without having to drain the ship completly of cap (not effective for caldari and min). Drones dont have a ton of HP and someone in a crappy little 200k destroyer with rails can fly around instapoping all your drones in short order. FOF rockets also make short work of drones. What most people dont realizse is that even if your at 25% armor when you manage to kill the drones your enemies damage output has either been stoped or can nolonger beat out your tank and you will eventually win. Kill the drones first and if you need to make sure you have a weapon that can hit them.
5. The light and med scout drones are prety speedy little guys with a Drone nav control unit and can get out far realy fast but the heavys move like bricks. They take a while to get to your targets and that is usually enough time for someone to get a fair amount of damage on you before your drones even get to them (Or if they are smart they will shoot and destroy the drones while they are flying at them. Drones only approach by flying directly at the target so the will have a trans velocity of 0 and be extremely easy to hit. THis is anouther drawback of drone AI)
And a Domi definitly COULD NOT! kill a fleet of 50 frigates all by its lonesome self kesrina. If 10% of those people actually think for a moment and dedide "hey, lets shoot at the drones" and all the domi's t2 drones will be smoke in about 15 seconds. Frigates can track and hit drones very well and they dont have much hp or even the ability to repair damage. Putting a single destroyer in your gang would solve any of your drone problems
Its not realy all that fair to do NONE of the things that can currently counter drones and complain they are overpowered. Thats like never ever putting an eccm module in you ship even once and complaining an ECM ship jammed you for an entire fight and killed you, oh wait everyone already does that.
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regergy6h
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:02:00 -
[52]
**** thats Necro on smack.
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Desired Username
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:33:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ventrilla
Nominated for the most idiotic thead of the month November...
Except that it was made in May.
I nominate this the most idiotic necro for the month of November!
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