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KillerBulletz
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Posted - 2006.05.23 05:25:00 -
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a corpmate and I were nailing ore theifs that where stealing from us. and learned the hard way that they can regroup and come blow you up after you nail them. is this a glitch or is the being able to defend your goods a completely usless feature?
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.05.23 05:34:00 -
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Remember the scene in the movie "The Untouchables" where Sean Connery chases the guy with the knife as he had a DB shotgun?
"Never bring a knife to a gunfight!"
Except when you have a friend with a tommy gun backing you up.
If you start a fight be prepared to finish it. Even if you win, that aggro counter is still ticking down. Dock or warp to a safe spot if you fear retribution.
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KillerBulletz
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Posted - 2006.05.23 05:42:00 -
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I now know this Just seems stupid to me to give a lone mining barge to right to kill someone that steals all of his ore then have the theif return to a station and get the "combat" ship to reap havok on the poor miner.
Im not writing this to complain, was just unsure at how the kill rights work.
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2006.05.23 06:06:00 -
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zyphentits
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Posted - 2006.05.23 06:14:00 -
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Well normally the corp should protect there miners, it helps if the corp has a main HQ where help is not far. If this isn't a option join a corp or leave the corp you are in and join a bigger better corp. But other then that try to out smart them.
You just never know what could happen in eve
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KillerBulletz
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Posted - 2006.05.23 06:21:00 -
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We were baiting the ore theifs to kill them unaware that they could come back in bigger ships. and they didnt get me they got my corpmate after the server rebooted. I dont mind getting owned, I just dont like learning stuff the hard way. which It seems almost everything I learn in eve is the hardway.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.23 06:33:00 -
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 Originally by: KillerBulletz
We were baiting the ore theifs to kill them unaware that they could come back in bigger ships. and they didnt get me they got my corpmate after the server rebooted. I dont mind getting owned, I just dont like learning stuff the hard way. which It seems almost everything I learn in eve is the hardway.
But the lessons stick with you that much longer that way.
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Originally by: Mephysto
come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Pir8
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Posted - 2006.05.23 07:11:00 -
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Solution, dont mine.
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IVeige
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Posted - 2006.05.23 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: zyphen****
Well normally the corp should protect there miners
They should but most of them are not, or can't protect them.
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Tyranical Teabagger
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Posted - 2006.05.23 16:48:00 -
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On the other hand if you're prepared you can make them pay double. have a couple bs' and BC's cloaked in the belt near you if you're bating them. You pop them. they come back in their big ebil ship and you wtfpown them again. :)
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Hoshi Khanid
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: KillerBulletz
I now know this Just seems stupid to me to give a lone mining barge to right to kill someone that steals all of his ore then have the theif return to a station and get the "combat" ship to reap havok on the poor miner.
Im not writing this to complain, was just unsure at how the kill rights work.
It's quite simple realy. Dock your mining ship and pull out your own combat ship. I've never been a pirate, and in the past usually been sympathetic towards can miners who were ripped off by ore thieves. But it seems more and more like miners don't want to be able to defend their ore, they just want to be able to gut belts with no interference from others at all.
My main has played Eve for a good two years now and never in the past pirated or thieved ore. But I've started now, because I'm getting so pigged off with miners who strip belts of their rarer ore, put it in a can and then just move onto the next belt to gut it without taking the time to drag their can in. If I see your can in space I will leave it alone. If I find you at another belt digging. I will go back and take the can, because as far as I'm concerned you've abandoned it. If you want to make a fight of it, great, all the more fun for us both hopefully.
PS By 'you' I am talking about miners in general not the OP
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Lanfear's Bane
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pir8
Solution, dont mine.
Quote 4TW.
Lanfear's Bane.
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MaidMarion
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Posted - 2006.08.25 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tyranical Teabagger
On the other hand if you're prepared you can make them pay double. have a couple bs' and BC's cloaked in the belt near you if you're bating them. You pop them. they come back in their big ebil ship and you wtfpown them again. :)
Ok, from what I have been reading here, if an ore thief baits someone into killing them, they get kill rights -
Flame if you want, correct if im wrong - but I feel that does nothing but reward the thief.
Thief comes back in his wtfpwnu pvp ship with fresh kill rights - he engages the original victim, the victims gang members cannot help even when their gang member is getting wtfpwned .. again - rewarding the thief.
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Setana Manoro
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Posted - 2006.08.25 14:32:00 -
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You have a chance to defend you're gains ... it's not like every guy in EVE is packing a nos-ecm-domi in a station and will come to kick you're butt with it.
TBH yesterday i tried to get 2 vexor's to engage me by moving they're ore in a different, more beautifull can :), but they wouldn't even try. Actually the moment i was red and flashy to them ... they ran, and both of them had 1 blaster for close range and 4-5 light drones - i was in a blaster-incursus ffs.
I'm seriously starting to think little of miners. :(
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Josefine Dark
smile'n smite
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Posted - 2006.08.25 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: MaidMarion
Originally by: Tyranical Teabagger
On the other hand if you're prepared you can make them pay double. have a couple bs' and BC's cloaked in the belt near you if you're bating them. You pop them. they come back in their big ebil ship and you wtfpown them again. :)
Ok, from what I have been reading here, if an ore thief baits someone into killing them, they get kill rights -
Flame if you want, correct if im wrong - but I feel that does nothing but reward the thief.
Thief comes back in his wtfpwnu pvp ship with fresh kill rights - he engages the original victim, the victims gang members cannot help even when their gang member is getting wtfpwned .. again - rewarding the thief.
nah, it's not that easy!
the thief won't get any killrights. He'll get an agression timer against the victims that decided to engeage the thief!... wait for the timer to dissappear and you're safe :)
in general: the more ppl engeage the more ppl could get shot by the thief!!!
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MaidMarion
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Posted - 2006.08.25 14:47:00 -
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I dont mine much, but when I do it is in a domi with 6x miner2, nos, fully functional tank, webber, scram etc ..
so i am not worried about tanked badgers etc etc - but my point is that thiefs shouldnt even be rewarded with aggr timer if they instigated the illegal activity (can theft).
So if the occasion occurs where someone does nik my can and I pop their ship, just how long do they have to retaliate ?
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Tristan Acoma
Caldari
The Eleventh Commandment
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Posted - 2006.08.25 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan Acoma on 25/08/2006 14:58:32
Edited by: Tristan Acoma on 25/08/2006 14:57:23
Originally by: MaidMarion
I dont mine much, but when I do it is in a domi with 6x miner2, nos, fully functional tank, webber, scram etc ..
so i am not worried about tanked badgers etc etc - but my point is that thiefs shouldnt even be rewarded with aggr timer if they instigated the illegal activity (can theft).
So if the occasion occurs where someone does nik my can and I pop their ship, just how long do they have to retaliate ?
Here's the deal.
Someone steals a can from you - you get a 15 min aggro timer. So does your corporation.
You shoot at them, they can fire at you, and ONLY you, and you incur a 15 min timer for firing on them. If they shoot back they reset their aggro timer toward you and ONLY you.
In short, any act of firing by an individual resets the timer they they have from their target.
Now, keep in mind, if your corp shows up to help you each one of the members who fires ALSO has an individual timer against that one player.
All of these times start at 15 min and count down and have nothing to do with the can theft flag.
Get a corpmate in a combat ship out there to protect your corporate assets, and have a combat ship in system of some sort 'in case', and NEVER -ever- sit around in a barge with an aggro timer, even if you blew up the robber.
Or, just get in a corp that will actually bother to protect it's members :)
The point is, the theif is at a major disadvantage becasue for 15 min it's him versus your corp (newbie corps excepted, I belive)
There are a few other tricks to this, but that's the basics :) Just pop the theif and leave until your aggro timer runs out.
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Tristan Acoma
Caldari
The Eleventh Commandment
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Posted - 2006.08.25 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
You have a chance to defend you're gains ... it's not like every guy in EVE is packing a nos-ecm-domi in a station and will come to kick you're butt with it.
TBH yesterday i tried to get 2 vexor's to engage me by moving they're ore in a different, more beautifull can :), but they wouldn't even try. Actually the moment i was red and flashy to them ... they ran, and both of them had 1 blaster for close range and 4-5 light drones - i was in a blaster-incursus ffs.
I'm seriously starting to think little of miners. :(
If only you knew the power of the darkside 
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Josefine Dark
smile'n smite
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Posted - 2006.08.25 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan Acoma
stuff...
Here's the deal.
Someone steals a can from you - you get a 15 min aggro timer. So does your corporation.
You shoot at them, they can fire at you, and ONLY you, and you incur a 15 min timer for firing on them. If they shoot back they reset their aggro timer toward you and ONLY you.
In short, any act of firing by an individual resets the timer they they have from their target.
Now, keep in mind, if your corp shows up to help you each one of the members who fires ALSO has an individual timer against that one player.
All of these times start at 15 min and count down and have nothing to do with the can theft flag.
Get a corpmate in a combat ship out there to protect your corporate assets, and have a combat ship in system of some sort 'in case', and NEVER -ever- sit around in a barge with an aggro timer, even if you blew up the robber.
Or, just get in a corp that will actually bother to protect it's members :)
The point is, the theif is at a major disadvantage becasue for 15 min it's him versus your corp (newbie corps excepted, I belive)
There are a few other tricks to this, but that's the basics :) Just pop the theif and leave until your aggro timer runs out.
/signed
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Nefertuss
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Posted - 2006.08.25 18:02:00 -
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Never ever ever attack an ore thief with your barge, a Retriever and a Convetor can vouch for that 
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Tristan Acoma
Caldari
The Eleventh Commandment
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Posted - 2006.08.25 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nefertuss
Never ever ever attack an ore thief with your barge, a Retriever and a Convetor can vouch for that
Nah - with the right drones on a barge, you can beat a frig or cruiser.... you just have to be smart about it.
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Tristan Acoma
Caldari
The Eleventh Commandment
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Posted - 2006.08.25 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nefertuss
Never ever ever attack an ore thief with your barge, a Retriever and a Convetor can vouch for that
Nah - with the right drones on a barge, you can beat a frig or cruiser.... you just have to be smart about it.
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Gadfly Hawke
G-Tek
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.08.25 19:20:00 -
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The thing about retaliating against a thief is that you may be opening a can of worms that you know nothing about. You could wind up wasting a lot of time in a "Hatfield-McCoy" feud, time that could be better spent doing something to make ISK. I was thieved against in my Osprey (a little more weaponry than a barge), debated taking the thief on and decided against it, and just moved on. Actually, I think he was disappointed that I didn't shoot him, because that gives him the right to shoot at me. He had some choice words for me as I left. I was somewhat amused by that, since I should have been the offended one.
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Majin82
Caldari
Sammael's Legion
Arkhangelos Command
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Posted - 2006.08.25 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Majin82 on 25/08/2006 20:29:20
You would know a few things about stealing ore wouldn't you Tristan
As Tristan said, if you are smart about it the Theif is at a huge disadvantage and is taking a big risk. As soon as he takes that Ore you and your corp get Aggro rights on him. If you fire back or anyone in your corp fires at the theif, the theif now has aggro rights on them for the attack and can defend him self.
If you want to Jetti Can mine, have back up and have a dedicated Hauler.
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Darknesslnc
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Posted - 2006.08.25 20:50:00 -
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Wanna know whats fun. having a big bad GANK battleship cloaked nearby.
Theifs always return to scout, and if it looks like your still mining, steal again
Steps
Cloak BS
Theif steals
Leave BS cloaked
Theif runs off to station the ore.
Uncloak BS
Theif RETURNS after the sensor reclibration from the cloak has worn off
Insta-BBQ theif depending on range and BS fittings
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xenodia
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.25 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: KillerBulletz
I now know this Just seems stupid to me to give a lone mining barge to right to kill someone that steals all of his ore then have the theif return to a station and get the "combat" ship to reap havok on the poor miner.
Im not writing this to complain, was just unsure at how the kill rights work.
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Toolivus
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Posted - 2006.08.26 01:47:00 -
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At first I was just gonna say 'use a secure can, it's not that hard'. But then it turns out you were baiting them, in that case you get what you give.
Anyway, thanks for the don't fire back and get killrights tip.
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