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Panshin Bolo	Posted - 2006.05.23 19:43:00 - [1] Could I for a second let my carebear heart speak? It wants a countermeasure against the suicide ravens that are after my 200M+ cargo in high sec space. One could: - Have a scan-disruptor fitted. - Have a reflection mirror module fitted, that would only show the person's own ship fitting/cargo - Have a 'omghax reflection mirror module fitted, where you could type in like: 'reflectItem=Zydrine' 'showquantity=275000' can we?
Donis Ardis	Posted - 2006.05.23 19:47:00 - [2] I think there are counters already in game. T2 Haulers, instas, scounts, etc And for your last point, you can use nice T2 BPC's to lure unsuspecting Ganking ravens...
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.05.23 19:59:00 - [3] Counter Measure is called INSTAS
Neban	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:02:00 - [4] Use a ship that can fit a real tank.
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Donis Ardis And for your last point, you can use nice T2 BPC's to lure unsuspecting Ganking ravens... WTB 1 run BCU II BPC. ________________________________________________ \_/ <-- My care cup, LOOK it's empty!
Panshin Bolo	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:07:00 - [6] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Counter Measure is called INSTAS Scouts? Instas? I can take you out with a sui-raven even with insta's. Scouts, suspect every raven in empire to be a suspect rofl. gg.
Bawldeux IV	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 23/05/2006 20:36:28 Originally by: Panshin Bolo Edited by: Panshin Bolo on 23/05/2006 20:28:29 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Counter Measure is called INSTAS Scouts? Instas? I can take you out with a sui-raven even with insta's. Scouts, suspect every raven in empire to be a suspect rofl. gg. Quote: Use a ship that can fit a real tank. Hi, i'm in a badger, I just wanna move my faction damage modules, faction armor reps, and my 8 crows to a different system to PvP, oh and I'm sorry, I don't train for racial hauler lvl5, freighter, or T2 hauler. Or, I'm in a badger, come from 0.0 with my zydrine. Yeh, i'd go for a T2 hauler.... Quote: T2 bpc's They get Suicide ganking off the forums, they'll get this off the forums. ppl stupid enough with a T2 BPO in a hauler should get sui-ganked. Just take proper precautions when flying your t2 bpo's to a new station. pod meets deathstar
Teles666	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:41:00 - [8] 1+2 would make you a target, if your fitting them you probably have something worth hiding. 3 would be funny :)
Neban	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:44:00 - [9] Edited by: Neban on 23/05/2006 20:45:48 Originally by: Panshin Bolo Edited by: Panshin Bolo on 23/05/2006 20:28:29 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Counter Measure is called INSTAS Scouts? Instas? I can take you out with a sui-raven even with insta's. Scouts, suspect every raven in empire to be a suspect rofl. gg. Quote: Use a ship that can fit a real tank. Hi, i'm in a badger, I just wanna move my faction damage modules, faction armor reps, and my 8 crows to a different system to PvP, oh and I'm sorry, I don't train for racial hauler lvl5, freighter, or T2 hauler. Or, I'm in a badger, come from 0.0 with my zydrine. Yeh, i'd go for a T2 hauler.... Quote: T2 bpc's They get Suicide ganking off the forums, they'll get this off the forums. ppl stupid enough with a T2 BPO in a hauler should get sui-ganked. There is no call nor cause to find a counter for your own idiocy. If you can't use a ship that can align fast with instas, you want to haul a billion isk worth of items in a badger, then it's not a suicide raven problem. Empire suicide gankers cannot tell the difference between T2 BPCs and BPOs. They can "get this off the forums" all they want, but it only means they'll hesitate before firing.
Stern Maxwell	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Bawldeux IV Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 23/05/2006 20:36:28 Originally by: Panshin Bolo Edited by: Panshin Bolo on 23/05/2006 20:28:29 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Counter Measure is called INSTAS Scouts? Instas? I can take you out with a sui-raven even with insta's. Scouts, suspect every raven in empire to be a suspect rofl. gg. Quote: Use a ship that can fit a real tank. Hi, i'm in a badger, I just wanna move my faction damage modules, faction armor reps, and my 8 crows to a different system to PvP, oh and I'm sorry, I don't train for racial hauler lvl5, freighter, or T2 hauler. Or, I'm in a badger, come from 0.0 with my zydrine. Yeh, i'd go for a T2 hauler.... Quote: T2 bpc's They get Suicide ganking off the forums, they'll get this off the forums. ppl stupid enough with a T2 BPO in a hauler should get sui-ganked. Just take proper precautions when flying your t2 bpo's to a new station. Hilarious! I love your sig too. ___________________________________________
Nukeitall	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:50:00 - [11] Edited by: Nukeitall on 23/05/2006 20:56:46 FREIGHTERS. I wish I could just set up a sign on the forums that says "use freighters to avoid suiciders" or something. Seriously. --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:53:00 - [12] Courier missions. Also, instas work, because with nanofibers, you get into warp before a raven can lock and complete the scan, interpret the results and decided to fire.
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.05.23 22:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Panshin Bolo It wants a countermeasure against the suicide ravens that are after my 200M+ cargo in high sec space. One could: - Have a scan-disruptor fitted. - Have a reflection mirror module fitted, that would only show the person's own ship fitting/cargo - Have a 'omghax reflection mirror module fitted, where you could type in like: 'reflectItem=Zydrine' 'showquantity=275000' - Fly a t2 hauler. - Make multiple trips. - Other stuff Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.05.23 22:09:00 - [14] Originally by: HippoKing Courier missions. Also, instas work, because with nanofibers, you get into warp before a raven can lock and complete the scan, interpret the results and decided to fire. ??? lol Scanner scans you 2 or 3 jumps out, follows your flight path (Which 99% of the time are pretty obvious), notifys Raven "Hes jumping in his names Something aBoB" Raven locks scrams and pops. Instas dont work. Very few empire gankers work alone. Some have sizable teams dedicated to hitting specific targets. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
Panshin Bolo	Posted - 2006.05.23 22:51:00 - [15] Hi, I'm panshin, and know all about game mechanics, I asked for countermeasures, but all I got were these [23]-type replies, well thank you for your support in this matter, I'm sure you all know how it feels to move out a badger with expensive stuff in it, through the high sec routes of this game. Let me ask you next time: Panshin Bolo> Hi there Traveler> hiya :) Panshin Bolo> Do you cary any expensive stuff, or Tech2 BPO's with you? Traveler> Why you wanna know? Panshin Bolo> well... I have an alt that can scan, and a main that can fly a raven, so if you could just save me the hassle... Panshin Bolo> erm, do ya?
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.05.23 22:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Panshin Bolo Hi, I'm panshin, and know all about game mechanics, I asked for countermeasures, but all I got were these [23]-type replies, well thank you for your support in this matter - Fly a t2 hauler. - Make multiple trips. - Other stuff Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.05.23 23:06:00 - [17] Quote: Scouts? Instas? I can take you out with a sui-raven even with insta's. Scouts, suspect every raven in empire to be a suspect rofl. gg. exectuioner + nanos+mwd u aint targeting it before it warps/jumps. anything larger just use a freighter and u aint killing it. k thanx
Lunarmist	Posted - 2006.05.23 23:40:00 - [18] Simple fix: 1. Create an alter 2. Use the alter to create a courier mission for you main character with goods you want to transport. 3. login the main character and accept the mission. 4. now you can transport the goods in plastic wrapping to anywhere. 5. when bomber scans your cargo, they see the plastic wrapping but don't know what is inside. They will have to take chance but more than likely, they will let you pass. 6. you've safely transported goods with your indy. Easy isn't it?
Humpalot	Posted - 2006.05.23 23:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Lunarmist Simple fix: 1. Create an alter 2. Use the alter to create a courier mission for you main character with goods you want to transport. 3. login the main character and accept the mission. 4. now you can transport the goods in plastic wrapping to anywhere. 5. when bomber scans your cargo, they see the plastic wrapping but don't know what is inside. They will have to take chance but more than likely, they will let you pass. 6. you've safely transported goods with your indy. Easy isn't it? Will a scan show what's inside cargo cans inside your hold?
Drizit	Posted - 2006.05.24 00:04:00 - [20] scans show only cans. --
chillz	Posted - 2006.05.24 00:21:00 - [21] bubblewrap ftw! ----------------------------------- A gun and a packet of sandwiches. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
hydraSlav	Posted - 2006.05.24 01:46:00 - [22] How are they able to kill you in high sec and loot your cargo? They work in a team, one suicides another loots. So why dont you work in a team with your corp, and get an escort when you are moving 200mill in gasp weak hauler. In case you get blown up, your escort can pickup the cargo for you. =================================== Above comments are my personal views, and do not represent my corporation or alliance, unless otherwise indicated
Zaphroid Eulthran	Posted - 2006.05.24 02:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Zaphroid Eulthran on 24/05/2006 02:30:13 Originally by: Humpalot Originally by: Lunarmist Simple fix: 1. Create an alter 2. Use the alter to create a courier mission for you main character with goods you want to transport. 3. login the main character and accept the mission. 4. now you can transport the goods in plastic wrapping to anywhere. 5. when bomber scans your cargo, they see the plastic wrapping but don't know what is inside. They will have to take chance but more than likely, they will let you pass. 6. you've safely transported goods with your indy. Easy isn't it? Will a scan show what's inside cargo cans inside your hold? A scan will show the contents of standard and secure cans A scan will not show the contents of a player created courior mission (bubblewrap), But if you have gone to the trouble of hiding your cargo in bubblewrap it is likely you are hiding something, so theres still a good chance to get ganked, they just be taking pot luck as to what they get Warning, sig starts here, Imperial Visions, Now 199627 seconds since our last fatality
twit brent	Posted - 2006.05.24 03:12:00 - [24] If enouh people start using bubblewrap to haul crap items there will be no way to tell whats worth bombing.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.05.24 03:33:00 - [25] has anyone tried the old run the t2 BPC past the camper trick oh and where are the living ?
ArcticFox	Posted - 2006.05.24 04:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Zaphroid Eulthran But if you have gone to the trouble of hiding your cargo in bubblewrap it is likely you are hiding something, so theres still a good chance to get ganked, they just be taking pot luck as to what they get And how do th suicide gankers know it's not just someone actually doing a courier mission, carrying 5 million isk worth of antibiotics (or something). 9/10 of courier missions are large volumes of not very valuable cargo, and that's a big risk to take every time with a raven that still costs you multiple tens of millions to put together, no matter how cheaply you fit it. And yes, people do actually do the courier missions. ---------------------------------- "There's no +6 Sword of WTFPWN in Eve." - Er... Some person on the forum...
ArcticFox	Posted - 2006.05.24 04:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Zaphroid Eulthran But if you have gone to the trouble of hiding your cargo in bubblewrap it is likely you are hiding something, so theres still a good chance to get ganked, they just be taking pot luck as to what they get And how do th suicide gankers know it's not just someone actually doing a courier mission, carrying 5 million isk worth of antibiotics (or something). 9/10 of courier missions are large volumes of not very valuable cargo, and that's a big risk to take every time with a raven that still costs you multiple tens of millions to put together, no matter how cheaply you fit it. And yes, people do actually do the courier missions. ---------------------------------- "There's no +6 Sword of WTFPWN in Eve." - Er... Some person on the forum...
Iyaiko	Posted - 2006.05.24 05:30:00 - [28] Edited by: Iyaiko on 24/05/2006 05:32:30 500 bookmarks in your cargo hold. Not that I would do such a god awful thing mind you.
Ulle	Posted - 2006.05.24 07:51:00 - [29] Considering that huge amounts of low ends minerals are courier'ed every day from mining systems to hubs, all in their nice plastic wraps, one would love a webcam to see the ex raven pilot face when he discovers that his multi million isks and sec status losses gained him one million units of Tritanium
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2006.05.24 08:34:00 - [30] I moved a t2 bpo once, I have never ever ever been so paranoid in all my life. Used a recon cruiser in the end, no instas either so it was a long trip. _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd

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