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Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
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Posted - 2014.05.06 04:49:00 -
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Dem Geckos are pretty dam powerful. nearly 1100 DPS on a Rattlesnake with just a single Gecko. The one weakness the Gecko has is that it does omnidamage, so if you're doing missioning omnidamage is not as good as pure damage. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3174
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:46:00 -
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I just tried one out in an Arbitrator. It kills elite frigs faster than bonused Hobos.
Oh god. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars
Fidelas Constans
99
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:35:00 -
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Soon Shin wrote:Dem Geckos are pretty dam powerful. nearly 1100 DPS on a Rattlesnake with just a single Gecko. The one weakness the Gecko has is that it does omnidamage, so if you're doing missioning omnidamage is not as good as pure damage.
Doesnt matter at that point.
Basically the rattle hull is going to be pretty insane in gurista and serpentis space for just about anything. If you fully active tank it(3x Faction DDA 3x Faction BCU) your looking at something close to 1600 dps to their weakest reists. Now i know actual applied dps might be closer to 1200 but still. Thats insane for what could basically load FOFs and go afk.
Its definately not as cost effective as an ishtar but might just become king of the level 4 heap again. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
959
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:48:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Xequecal wrote:Also, why would you use a BS for this at all? Use an Ishtar, it's better for this kind of strategy in literally every way. Not trolling, just curious: One of the big advantages of the BS hulls (as I see it) for sentry drone work is the LMJD. If you can't kill stuff before the get under your tracking, point in a random direction, activate the LMJD, pull in your sentries, then stop and re-deploy sentries after the LMJD finishes. Voila, blap everything from a safe distance. How does the Ishtar cope with being unable to do this? Especially since you're partly sig/speed tanking, it seems to me that getting webbed is a good way to get murdered--and since you're orbiting the beacon or one of your drones, you might not be able to immediately recall all of your deployed drones. I haven't flown an Ishtar (just a Vexor Navy Issue), and I get that its bonuses are fantastic for sentry work...but I love the LMJD on my Rattler and can't imagine life without it on a sentry boat. What am I missing?
The MJD puts a 5 or 6 gun dominix miles beyond its effective gunnery range, and puts a rattlesnake miles beyond garde II effective range. If you are dealing 1000+ dps in a mission its either showtime and you'll have to warp out because showtime is hard, or you will literally burn down the PVE dps before it burns your buffer. IMO that its pretty much the "fun" in L4 missions for me, trying to bring so much dps to bear as to cheese the mission, and its also obviously the highest earning strategy.
There are some specific observations I'd also make for PVE.
a - the Ishtar locks a new spawn much faster than a battleship - so it will lock and kill a frigate more or less at the same speed the frigate locks it - so it will always kill 2 frigates before they've moved 2km - therefore its only likely to get unprepared webbed by pilot inexperience in PVE (either general inexperience or inexperience with the encounter).
b - the dominix with aggressive drones will kill a frigate when it spawns, if its the first thing in the spawn to agro up - if you manage triggers such that you shot the trigger last. If it is not the first thing in the spawn to agro up, then it won't matter because a frigate that doesn't lock you up straight away, probably won't lock you for 8 seconds or so and you'll nearly be done locking it, and you'll be able to hit it when it moves.
c - the rattlesnake is the same as the domi.
d - I use a drone proteus in the maze. both the Ishtar and the proteus can be configured to tank that much damage (160k torpedo + a full sized spawn) on sig alone whilst webbed to a total standstill by 4 towers and 20 frigates. As can other hacs and T3s with various racial considerations - so whilst learning content you can make the Ishtar essentially racially indestructible and in this era, you can drop a depot to put DDAs and omnis back on when you are sure the difficult phase is over. As my proteus is moving about with covops and nullifier its hard to bring *everything* but an Ishtar doesn't do that, so should always have a few basics and the depot in cargo.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
Sicarius Draconis
359
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:59:00 -
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The new Rattlesnake that is due this summer will only be able to use 1 Gecko. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
579
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:29:00 -
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the beforementioned 1190dps from that gecko go well by the 700 fury dps though.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:27:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Five Ogre IIs on today's Rattlesnake puts out 845 DPS, so the Summer Rattlesnake will do 845 * 1.41 = ~1190 DPS. Now add in summer faction drone modules for another 5% maybe, and we're up to ~1,250 DPS. And we're looking at around 4,300 m/s in terms of speed with three Drone Nav Computer IIs. On the down side, and CCP will burn in the flaming pits of hell for this, is that the 8% drone specialization skill won't apply. 
And to think the stratios went to 100mb/s because 5 heavy drones on a cloaky was OTT.
It's terrifying now  |
ashley Eoner
310
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:00:00 -
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Barton Breau wrote:Riot Girl wrote:New rattler will have 6 lows and new tracking modules for low slots. You can get 2x BCU, 2x DDA, 2x Drone TE, Omni, missile rigs and a 5 slot tank with prop mod. I think it's probably going to be okay. 1075-1240 dps, congratulations, its a navy domi with bigger tank , 94km targeting range and 84km control range
My current rattlesnake already does around 1150 dps... |
ashley Eoner
310
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:41:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:afkalt wrote:I believe he was talking about a complete unpiloted, afk asist bunny.
Not exactly anything but niche, far from the basis of a decent complaint. Hardly niche. Dualboxing level fours with one account untouched is very niche. These missions are not hard, you don't need two ships. You'd be much better off using two Rattlesnakes and running two missions at once. Also, why would you use a BS for this at all? Use an Ishtar, it's better for this kind of strategy in literally every way.
Yeah you're WAAAY better off running two missions at the same time with snakes then two bs in the same 4. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
714
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:27:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:The new Rattlesnake that is due this summer will only be able to use 1 Gecko.
1 Gecko x 3.75 role bonus on both DPS and HP.
The new rattlesnake will have issues with range its likely to become more of a brawler not a sentry boat.
Gecko + Torps or Gecko + RHML are both looking interesting.
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Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3480
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:13:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:The new rattlesnake will have issues with range its likely to become more of a brawler not a sentry boat.
Gecko + Torps or Gecko + RHML are both looking interesting.
How much range does it need exactly? 1800+ dps out to over 80km doesn't seem like that much of a hardship.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
395
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:41:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:The new rattlesnake will have issues with range its likely to become more of a brawler not a sentry boat.
Gecko + Torps or Gecko + RHML are both looking interesting. How much range does it need exactly? 1800+ dps out to over 80km doesn't seem like that much of a hardship.
LMJD is 100km. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1141
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:44:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:The new rattlesnake will have issues with range its likely to become more of a brawler not a sentry boat.
Gecko + Torps or Gecko + RHML are both looking interesting. How much range does it need exactly? 1800+ dps out to over 80km doesn't seem like that much of a hardship. LMJD is 100km.
LMJD doesn't seem like the optimal use of the proposed RS. |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3480
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:45:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:LMJD doesn't seem like the optimal use of the proposed RS.
I agree - using the LMJD distances as a gauge seems pretty weak...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
309
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:08:00 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:Just to confirm I have the math correct, the New Rattlesnakes bonus of 275% damage to 2 drones (2 * 3.75 = 7.5) is the same as an Ishtar/Dominix's 50% bonus (at level 5) to 5 drones (5*1.5=7.5)?
The answer is sometimes.
People keep missing a big factor to the new RS.
The bonus is to heavy and sentry drones only.
This means every time you have your lights or mediums out you have to run with 5 to have the same damage as before.
Another factor is how much damage you lose when a drone goes pop.
This factor is being generally ignored. (( It will be a huge factor, mainly for PvP and is indeed a nerf ))
The extra damage with the missiles is nice but at a high cost to cap/tank. (( Say good bye to that NOS that powers the X-Large shield booster, another nerf ))
The ship will have gains and losses and the focus on the forums seems to be on the gains.
I don't expect the reality to be as good as people are planning. (( Maybe enough to make up for the drone onmi nerf in PVE / buff for PvP? ))
By the time you factor the omni in and the lack of the other boats like the Domi needing them to the same degree as before those changes, I'm betting it's a complete wash. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
397
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:11:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Lothros Andastar wrote:Just to confirm I have the math correct, the New Rattlesnakes bonus of 275% damage to 2 drones (2 * 3.75 = 7.5) is the same as an Ishtar/Dominix's 50% bonus (at level 5) to 5 drones (5*1.5=7.5)?
The answer is sometimes. People keep missing a big factor to the new RS. The bonus is to heavy and sentry drones only. This means every time you have your lights or mediums out you have to run with 5 to have the same damage as before.
Actually, since medium/light drones will be unbonused, you will never be able to get the same damage with mediums/lights as before, even if you use 5 (since currently you have 7.5 effective drones). |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2595
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:16:00 -
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For ratting, I used a 6 damage mod rattler. It'll work even better now.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
963
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Posted - 2014.05.09 06:05:00 -
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Batelle wrote:For ratting, I used a 6 damage mod rattler. It'll work even better now.
Yeah come patch day it should be properly better than a 6 damage mod dominix, which will make the rattler an worthwhile upgrade option from the dominix like it should be. |
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:22:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:LMJD doesn't seem like the optimal use of the proposed RS. I agree - using the LMJD distances as a gauge seems pretty weak...
Depends, in general you would not want to have a fit that you have to slowboat at 130m/s for 20km to get into range after a jump, firing some shots and then jump again because the rat battleships came into 50-70km range of their guns and missiles, kinda defeats the whole point of having a dps oriented sniper fit.
(not that some fits would not be able to get to a 5 slot tank even with max dps @ 100-120km, but still) |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2595
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:38:00 -
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Due to the range hit of garde drones, I was using one of the other three to get that long range optimal. Since very few rats are weakest to thermal, the dps loss isn't very much, you maintain long range and can keep using a resistance tank. With the added falloff on gardes i may reconsider after the drone rebalance. For missions, I could address this by dual propping, but I've retired my rattlesnake from missioning, i only use it for nullsec now.
I'm pretty happy because I just recently got caldari BS 5 and finished maxing my missile supports. Really looking forward to seeing what kind of performance I'll be able to get now.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
309
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:39:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:Lothros Andastar wrote:Just to confirm I have the math correct, the New Rattlesnakes bonus of 275% damage to 2 drones (2 * 3.75 = 7.5) is the same as an Ishtar/Dominix's 50% bonus (at level 5) to 5 drones (5*1.5=7.5)?
The answer is sometimes. People keep missing a big factor to the new RS. The bonus is to heavy and sentry drones only. This means every time you have your lights or mediums out you have to run with 5 to have the same damage as before. Actually, since medium/light drones will be unbonused, you will never be able to get the same damage with mediums/lights as before, even if you use 5 (since currently you have 7.5 effective drones).
Yep. Forgot about that sad nerf part of the old bonus.
But your not allowed to call it a nerf. (( Forum cops will shut down the thread. Shhhhhhh )) |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
195
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:45:00 -
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Soon Shin wrote:Dem Geckos are pretty dam powerful. nearly 1100 DPS on a Rattlesnake with just a single Gecko. The one weakness the Gecko has is that it does omnidamage, so if you're doing missioning omnidamage is not as good as pure damage.
Drone Interfacing is being nerfed to 50% in the next patch, all other drones will have their base damage increased to make up for it but the Gecko will not. Post-patch it will do the same dps as two augmented Ogres. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
2213
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Posted - 2014.05.10 19:30:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Yeah, I didn't read the full post as he is a notoriously bad poster. Now I've gone back and read his post, I wish I hadn't. I am? I hadn't realised I had achieved such notoriety. Thanks for bring me up to speed.
Well considering you bring up this drone assisted setup mid thread out of nowhere. It's like changing the argument mid stream.
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