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Eight Ace
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:18:00 -
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Good Morning, beloved EVE community.
I am getting somewhat concerned about the DX10 / Windows Vista proposals.
Not, I hasten to add because I think it's a bad thing, because it's not, it is in fact great that the dev's are keeping up with the technology and getting the very most out of it in a way Sony failed quite dramatically to do with the Everquest product.
I fully support as many graphic upgrades as possible becuase I mine quite a lot and apparently you will get a prettier rock to look at with DX10.
My concern is that about six months ago I splurged a foolish amount of money on a dreamy new system featuring dual 512MB XFX Extreme Edition GeForce 7800 GTX's.
From what I am reading I am kind of getting the impression that they will not fully support DX10/Vista/upgraded EVE graphics engine when it finally turns up.
I really don't want (and indeed can't) splurge yet more dollar on new cards to get the very best out of EVE.
So, does anyone with more graphics subsystem knowledge than me want to explain wether, in their opinion, the "fully programmable pipeline" and all this other DX10 jargon will mean that my beautiful system will become a bit old hat?
I have no problem with upgrading the operating system because that's par for the course.
in short, will the XFX Extreme Edition GeForce 7800 GTX fully support DX10 under windows Vista and will Tech II Trinity work to it's absolute shiny best on this hardware?
This thread might actually be more at home in the technology lab but I have posted here as more folks read this and I am sure this is a fairly widespread concern.
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Cotton Tail
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cotton Tail on 26/05/2006 10:26:05
The window vista upgrade will just be eye candy for those who want to upgrade, but from whats being said you'll need a next generation of cards to run it properly. There is no pressure to upgrade however, its merely an option for those who have it to enjoy the fullest possibilities of dx10. Don't plan your future around it, its just eye-candy for those who have access to it, you don't so just forget it unless you want to upgrade for it. If CCP do their job the upgrade won't have any impact on the game for anyone rather than the inevitable downtime extension when they bring it in, and shiny graphics for those who can afford it.
As for the card, we'll I've got a 7900gtx and i have a feeling that won't be enough for dx10.
edit: corrected an error.
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Eight Ace
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:42:00 -
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:47:00 -
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Any current Graphics card will be unable to provide hardware acceleration to DX10 specific features.
However there will be lots of niceties that your card will support.
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Eight Ace
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:52:00 -
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So, is the current dev plan to completely revamp the graphics for all versions of the client or just for the DX10/Vista version?
If I can get the graphic upgrades on my existing hardware that's fine, but if the ability to run the existing graphics engine means that you will be stuck with the current graphics baby jesus will be sad.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:52:00 -
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A sad fact of PC life is that the dogs dangalies today is run of the mill tomorrow, is obsolete the day after. OK, not quite day by day, but damn fast.
By the time Vista is released your card's will probably be 18 months old (from their release). That is no longer cutting edge.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:56:00 -
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They are doing 2 seperate clients. One will be DX9 compatable, and will be very shiny on our current cards - which is good 
the other will be Vista, DX10 only and to use that properly it'll be new pc time. BUT we won't HAVE to upgrade to keep playing eve, only if we want the very shinyest graphics. The upshot is the decision to upgrade the pc to vista isn't reliant on eve, but on it's own merits.
Max
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Eight Ace
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:59:00 -
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So, The Vista upgrade alone will not allow me to run the DX10 client, it would be 'new cards' time as well as new operating system.
Better start saving now I guess. The wife is going to kill me.
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Nightly
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:06:00 -
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They have a new client in the works with lots of graphics upgrades that runs in DX9. From what I remember the new client will be in two flavours, DX9 & DX10 - the dev blog said that the difference was the DX9 version would be a slightly cut down gfx version.
They will both be 64bit according to the devblog, and I think this means we will have a sexy looking new gfx engine in a 64 bit client that will run DX10 or 9.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I've got it right from reading of the dev blog.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:10:00 -
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It is at least a year until the vista client will be available, and probably much longer until it runs stable.
Vista without a true DX10 card will support DX9, so EVE classic.
Oh, and ccp doesn't have the manpower to keep two client teams up and running. Guess wich one will be canned once the Vista client is up and running.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Tachy
Oh, and ccp doesn't have the manpower to keep two client teams up and running. Guess wich one will be canned once the Vista client is up and running.
Or they'll continue to be smrt and hire more people a la Eve China?
Not that it wont affect us, but I honestly can't see them canning Eve Classic after they update its graphics engine. Maybe a few years afterward, sure. If we're even still here then.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Eight Ace
Bleeding edge graphics = waste of cash unless you can afford to upgrade every six months to a year. Fact of life.
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Mazzazuri
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:37:00 -
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Youll be happy to know DX9 will still be supported as Dx10 is backwards compatable just like DX8 cards will play eve thats a dx9 game
myself well i have a nice new QX6700 cpu and 8800GTX so role on vista and DX10 on eve i cant wait ill have piccies up on the forum for 98% of eve players that wont have dx10 cards
so dont worry about not having dx10 ccp wont let 95 to 98% of its customers leave over it
p.s vista is out 30th of jan and the retail is 220 pounds :( 
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:46:00 -
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DX10 and DX10 effects wil run only on GF 8800 and beyond. No your 7xx card won't run the new engine, only the current one.
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Elridia
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:48:00 -
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I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the loss of fps on vista.
Even Microsoft themselves admit, games will have a lower fps under vista then xp.
only the loading times will be faster.
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Zeknichov
Amarr
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:55:00 -
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this thread is 8 months old.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:59:00 -
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Man, I can't wait for the graphics update. I hear the new dx9 client will be using some experimental rendering techniques such as 'dynamic lighting' and 'anti-aliasing', whatever they mean.
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Sixtyniner
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:03:00 -
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Just so you now, even if you don¦t have a DX10 graphics card, you will still get the new eyecandy. They¦re adding things like normal mapping etc, wich the current DX9 cards can support just fine. There¦s however _some_ enhancements if you have a DX10 card, but I don¦t think that you will be missing out that much with a DX9 card.
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Yuomin Bergren
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elridia
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the loss of fps on vista.
Even Microsoft themselves admit, games will have a lower fps under vista then xp.
only the loading times will be faster.
Lower Frames -> DX9
The Boost come with DX10 and G80/R600 Cards...
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Bl4zer
Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Eight Ace
My concern is that about six months ago I splurged a foolish amount of money on a dreamy new system featuring dual 512MB XFX Extreme Edition GeForce 7800 GTX's.
Speaking to Del and Rodney at my local PC World it would seem that a GeForce 8800 GTX is needed for DX10. The cards seem to come in at about 300 quid, which didn't seem so bad. They didn't have any in stock so I haven't been able to try it out.
Save the Ubar asteroids
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:16:00 -
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Well, my upgrade path for this year is two shiny new 768MB SLI graphics cards and a dual die AMD CPU. Just wish they would add dual processor support with the new shiny stuff.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Prophet Jurah
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Man, I can't wait for the graphics update. I hear the new dx9 client will be using some experimental rendering techniques such as 'dynamic lighting' and 'anti-aliasing', whatever they mean.
Both of those have been around for years... You must have misunderstood.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zeknichov
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this thread is 8 months old.
ROTFLMAO
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Man, I can't wait for the graphics update. I hear the new dx9 client will be using some experimental rendering techniques such as 'dynamic lighting' and 'anti-aliasing', whatever they mean.
Both of those have been around for years... You must have misunderstood.
No. You are the one who misunderstood.
It might be just my impression but everything Nero says is heavily laden with sarcasm and/or cynicism. 
I don't mind. 
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:10:00 -
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From reading the specs on DX10,it's only real discerning advantage over DX9 comes out to a couple of things,such as the addition of a geometry processor for effects like displacement mapping for instance,wich is basically the step above and beyond normal mapping that's currently used in a lot of games,the addition of more precision formats when using HDR+AA,and generally speaking,overhead reduction in terms of CPU calls by re-using data as much as possible,so you can have more objects in a given scene while maintaining good performance...
But many developers have called DX10 an evolutionary step up above and beyond DX9...The improvement in terms of capabilities from DX8 to DX9 was far greater than this,and 90% of the effects possible in DX10 are also doable in DX9,just not as easy to accomplish....Basically,if the geometry processor within DX10 cards isn't being used,i doubt that the DX9 and DX10 EVE clients will look that much different to start off...
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Man, I can't wait for the graphics update. I hear the new dx9 client will be using some experimental rendering techniques such as 'dynamic lighting' and 'anti-aliasing', whatever they mean.
Both of those have been around for years... You must have misunderstood.
Originally by: Victor Valka
No. You are the one who misunderstood.
It might be just my impression but everything Nero says is heavily laden with sarcasm and/or cynicism.
I don't mind.
You are correct. You win a cookie.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
No. You are the one who misunderstood.
It might be just my impression but everything Nero says is heavily laden with sarcasm and/or cynicism.
I don't mind.
You are correct. You win a cookie.
Chocolate chip, I damn well hope! 
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nero Scuro on 03/01/2007 17:26:59
Originally by: Victor Valka
Quote:
Originally by: Victor Valka
No. You are the one who misunderstood.
It might be just my impression but everything Nero says is heavily laden with sarcasm and/or cynicism.
I don't mind.
You are correct. You win a cookie.
Chocolate chip, I damn well hope!
Is there any other type?
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Is there any other type?
There have been sightings...
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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