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Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.27 21:51:00 - [1] as you probobly noticed, there is alot of unhappy deimos pilots around, and they are all agree that it can use a pg boost, so are you going to loot at it any time soon? thank you ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Wintermoon	Posted - 2006.05.27 21:56:00 - [2] You may want to fix your thread's title there But yeah, the poor little old deimos could use a bit more grid and considerably higher base speed.
4 LOM	Posted - 2006.05.27 22:38:00 - [3] I beleive he has stated it will be looked at. but wants to wait till after the blaster changes (they came) so give it some time is the demios still fubared with those blaster changes? (i have no idea i fly caldari) Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
Nybbas	Posted - 2006.05.27 22:47:00 - [4] Originally by: 4 LOM I beleive he has stated it will be looked at. but wants to wait till after the blaster changes (they came) so give it some time is the demios still fubared with those blaster changes? (i have no idea i fly caldari) yeah the changes did absolutely nothing at all to help out the deimos. im sure it helped the t2 battlecruisers, and even maybe ishtars, but it did absolutely nothing for deimos. Neutrons were a small part of the problem, its the deimos **** poor powergrid (5 more base grid than a freaking vaga, cept deimos is supposed to armor tank, run a mwd and still fit guns that use up an insane amount more powergrid than autocannons) Vaga has a crapload more cpu than deimos also btw : /
Apocalyptical	Posted - 2006.05.27 22:49:00 - [5] Originally by: 4 LOM I beleive he has stated it will be looked at. but wants to wait till after the blaster changes (they came) so give it some time is the demios still fubared with those blaster changes? (i have no idea i fly caldari) Nope the deimos still needs at the veryleast the same basespeed as the thorax.
Denrace	Posted - 2006.05.27 23:05:00 - [6] But you get the highest HAC DPS! Quit complaining and try fit a Heavy Beam Laser II... Although, I do agree that the Deimos should be MUCH faster. Den ________________________________________
Breed Love	Posted - 2006.05.27 23:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Denrace But you get the highest HAC DPS! orly? With a totally retarded and useless setup maybe. Though any setup with all necessary mods and reasonable survivability is so-so in dps. A zealot beats it hands down. And heavy beam laser is a long range turret, try fitting 250mm rails on a deimos. I hope you are being sarcastic on this one. ------ Originally by: Gazon In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
Nybbas	Posted - 2006.05.27 23:15:00 - [8] Edited by: Nybbas on 27/05/2006 23:15:31 Originally by: Denrace But you get the highest HAC DPS! Quit complaining and try fit a Heavy Beam Laser II... Although, I do agree that the Deimos should be MUCH faster. Den uhmmm heavy beam = long range, you should say heavy pulse... which btw the amarr hacs have much more grid than the deimos, even though what, the zealot is only expected to fit 4 guns? edite yeah basically what breed said : /
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.27 23:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Denrace But you get the highest HAC DPS! Quit complaining and try fit a Heavy Beam Laser II... Although, I do agree that the Deimos should be MUCH faster. Den you have the option to fit lesser guns on your zealot + a very nice tank deimos already has to fit worst guns and then it stil cant tank! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Nybbas	Posted - 2006.05.27 23:21:00 - [10] not to mention a zealot is 45 m/s base speed faster than a deimos AND a tiny bit lighter... lol... has 230 more base grid than deimos, while 1 less high slot (and is expected to fit 1 less turret) a negligible 15 less cpu, and 100 more cap...
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.05.28 01:46:00 - [11] Give conflag explosive damage. Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Fuyursuki	Posted - 2006.05.28 01:51:00 - [12] If demi gets a pg boost then ALL hac's should get one, so at least they can fit a full rack of thier best guns without a powermod. 'Suki
Krulla	Posted - 2006.05.28 01:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Epsilon 1 Give conflag explosive damage. While you're at it, give Void EM and explosive damage, then remove minmatar ships from the game. Tarkin > Omfg, frigs are such bs. Red 5 > lolol, lern 2 play plz noob SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.28 02:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Fuyursuki If demi gets a pg boost then ALL hac's should get one, so at least they can fit a full rack of thier best guns without a powermod. 'Suki Hahahhaa. No. Nobody is asking for the demios to fit a full rack of neutrons,med nos, mwd and rep. We ARE asking to be able to fit a full rack of ions, med nos, mwd, and rep just like every other gunboat hac can fit a full load of it's medium size weapons.
Fuyursuki	Posted - 2006.05.28 03:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Necrologic Originally by: Fuyursuki If demi gets a pg boost then ALL hac's should get one, so at least they can fit a full rack of thier best guns without a powermod. 'Suki Hahahhaa. No. Nobody is asking for the demios to fit a full rack of neutrons,med nos, mwd and rep. We ARE asking to be able to fit a full rack of ions, med nos, mwd, and rep just like every other gunboat hac can fit a full load of it's medium size weapons. Why not neut's? soon as they up the pg for ion's people will be crying for more to fit the best guns anyway. Plus other hac's like the muninn could do with the odd pg tweak to make them viable performers. 'Suki
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:05:00 - [16] ok, I'd like to all who havnt tried fitting deimos or fly one leave this tread, as you have no idea what you are talking about, thank you ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
me sukyu	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Bacchuss ok, I'd like to all who havnt tried fitting deimos or fly one leave this tread, as you have no idea what you are talking about, thank you try flying a munnin, you guys have it easy compared to that
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:26:00 - [18] nerf ishtar then deimos will look a lot better ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:55:00 - [19] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 28/05/2006 05:55:17 Originally by: Jim Raynor nerf ishtar then deimos will look a lot better there be spoken truth ^^ compared with the munin the deimos is the absolute pimp mobile Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 28/05/2006 05:55:17 Originally by: Jim Raynor nerf ishtar then deimos will look a lot better there be spoken truth ^^ compared with the munin the deimos is the absolute pimp mobile thats bull ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Nemain	Posted - 2006.05.28 07:23:00 - [21] The only slight problem a Deimos may have is speed, nothing else. Compared to fitting a muninn, the deimos is extremely easy. Fair enough comparing the fitting of long range artillery to short range blasters isn't exactly balanced, but they are the primary guns each ship was designed to use (not to mention u can fit 5 250 II's on a deimos but need a grid mod to fit 5x720 II's on a muninn). That being the case, the munin has far more fitting problems than the deimos by a long stretch. It has bigger tanking problems than the deimos not to mention it far more dificult to fill all it's highs as well. On my deimos I can fit a full rack of ion II's, 10mn MWD II, TS Scrambler, Fleeting Web, 3 Mag stab II, 400mm plate II, armour rep II and a explosive hardner. That all fits with no problems, plus if I swap the plate for a RCU II I can switch the Ions for Modal Neutrons. Throw in 5 medium EW drones and you have alot less problems. I can't even fit 5 720II on their own onto a muninn and that alone sums it up for me (and yes i know it can fit a full rack of 420II's with no problem, but as stated this is about using the guns the ship is designed for, and I still use 650's any way). Throw in the fact that to get the same tank as a deimos, you need to use an extra low slot on it's 1 less low slot allocation further causing problems with fitting reqs and fitting damage mods and so on... Fact is most hacs have fitting problems in 1 form or another (OK maybe not the caldari HACS but then they are balanced as is) and the deimos may come down the field in terms of fitting ease, but it is not the worst. The only HAC that needs a slight grid boost is the muninn so that it has enough grid to fit 5 720's with no rcu, the exact amount needed with AWU 5 would be fine.
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.28 07:31:00 - [22] if some1 havnt noticed yet, this is deimos tread, mkay? ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.05.28 07:34:00 - [23] Deimos fitting sucks Munnin fitting sucks stop deraling this stop and make your own please Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.28 07:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Nemain The only slight problem a Deimos may have is speed, nothing else. Compared to fitting a muninn, the deimos is extremely easy. Fair enough comparing the fitting of long range artillery to short range blasters isn't exactly balanced, but they are the primary guns each ship was designed to use (not to mention u can fit 5 250 II's on a deimos but need a grid mod to fit 5x720 II's on a muninn). That being the case, the munin has far more fitting problems than the deimos by a long stretch. It has bigger tanking problems than the deimos not to mention it far more dificult to fill all it's highs as well. On my deimos I can fit a full rack of ion II's, 10mn MWD II, TS Scrambler, Fleeting Web, 3 Mag stab II, 400mm plate II, armour rep II and a explosive hardner. That all fits with no problems, plus if I swap the plate for a RCU II I can switch the Ions for Modal Neutrons. Throw in 5 medium EW drones and you have alot less problems. I can't even fit 5 720II on their own onto a muninn and that alone sums it up for me (and yes i know it can fit a full rack of 420II's with no problem, but as stated this is about using the guns the ship is designed for, and I still use 650's any way). Throw in the fact that to get the same tank as a deimos, you need to use an extra low slot on it's 1 less low slot allocation further causing problems with fitting reqs and fitting damage mods and so on... Fact is most hacs have fitting problems in 1 form or another (OK maybe not the caldari HACS but then they are balanced as is) and the deimos may come down the field in terms of fitting ease, but it is not the worst. The only HAC that needs a slight grid boost is the muninn so that it has enough grid to fit 5 720's with no rcu, the exact amount needed with AWU 5 would be fine. Yeah, we all know the muninn is gimped too. Go start your own thread about boosting it, it needs one. The deimos shouldn't stay gimped just because your muninn is.
Nemain	Posted - 2006.05.28 07:43:00 - [25] Yes it's a deimos thread, that is asking for what the deimos does not need. You can only make a balanced arguement if a ship is lacking in some way when compared to other ships in it's class. In this case you claim the the deimos is lacking grid, the comparrison to the muninn just further proves that this is not the case. I could have used the popular "Zealot is easier to fit than a deimos" example, but then i would have to say that the drone bay on the deimos makes up for the less grid (extra damage types and extra EW from 5 medium drones is not to be overlooked, and I'm not saying give the zealot a drone bay either). However, comparing the deimos to a HAC that does acctually need a PG boost is alot more appropriate. The deimos may need a speed boost to bring it in line with a thorax, but nothing more.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.05.28 07:48:00 - [26] yes the deimos could use ( and should get) a pg boost, i think few will contest that But i daresay that the deimos currently isnt as gimped as some would like to present it. Tuxford already said that he is looking into it , so there is not much to discuss here. Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Nemain	Posted - 2006.05.28 07:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Nemain on 28/05/2006 07:51:05 Originally by: Necrologic Originally by: Nemain The only slight problem a Deimos may have is speed, nothing else. Compared to fitting a muninn, the deimos is extremely easy. Fair enough comparing the fitting of long range artillery to short range blasters isn't exactly balanced, but they are the primary guns each ship was designed to use (not to mention u can fit 5 250 II's on a deimos but need a grid mod to fit 5x720 II's on a muninn). That being the case, the munin has far more fitting problems than the deimos by a long stretch. It has bigger tanking problems than the deimos not to mention it far more dificult to fill all it's highs as well. On my deimos I can fit a full rack of ion II's, 10mn MWD II, TS Scrambler, Fleeting Web, 3 Mag stab II, 400mm plate II, armour rep II and a explosive hardner. That all fits with no problems, plus if I swap the plate for a RCU II I can switch the Ions for Modal Neutrons. Throw in 5 medium EW drones and you have alot less problems. I can't even fit 5 720II on their own onto a muninn and that alone sums it up for me (and yes i know it can fit a full rack of 420II's with no problem, but as stated this is about using the guns the ship is designed for, and I still use 650's any way). Throw in the fact that to get the same tank as a deimos, you need to use an extra low slot on it's 1 less low slot allocation further causing problems with fitting reqs and fitting damage mods and so on... Fact is most hacs have fitting problems in 1 form or another (OK maybe not the caldari HACS but then they are balanced as is) and the deimos may come down the field in terms of fitting ease, but it is not the worst. The only HAC that needs a slight grid boost is the muninn so that it has enough grid to fit 5 720's with no rcu, the exact amount needed with AWU 5 would be fine. Yeah, we all know the muninn is gimped too. Go start your own thread about boosting it, it needs one. The deimos shouldn't stay gimped just because your muninn is. I use the muninn very rarely if ever, the HACS I use the most are the Vagabond, zealot and the Deimos. If I had a problem with any of them I would stop using them, I don't so I don't.
Sadist	Posted - 2006.05.28 08:02:00 - [28] So many things suck with deimos it's not even funny. It's the most vulnerable to EW and large NOS HAC there is, having the lowest PG of all the gunboat HACs (even lower than the caldari one, and waay, i mean waaay below amarr ones, seriously wtf?), it's also the slowest, while also being the most close range (gimpente, anyone?). Keep in mind that very close range (<10km) has significant disadvantages (do i really have to announce them?) , and that a deimos fit is so unversatile you have 0 chance of surprising your enemy (raildeimos anyone? clue: it doesn't fit with 200mms) If that doesn't tell you something, you may have to learn to read or buy a bulk package of eve-clues. The deimos doesnt have _nearly_ as many advantages as it should over its T1 counterpart, to be called a HAC. (yet people keep buying them at 185 mil in ours.). --------------- VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Kunming	Posted - 2006.05.28 08:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 28/05/2006 05:55:17 Originally by: Jim Raynor nerf ishtar then deimos will look a lot better there be spoken truth ^^ compared with the munin the deimos is the absolute pimp mobile How about nerf the vagabond and your munin will look a lot better..... exactly, so go make your own thread with your own numbers and stuff. Also stop comparing fitting long range guns to fitting short range guns, try fitting rails on a deimos and then you can compare it to the munin or zealot or whatever.
Bazman	Posted - 2006.05.28 08:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Kunming Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 28/05/2006 05:55:17 Originally by: Jim Raynor nerf ishtar then deimos will look a lot better there be spoken truth ^^ compared with the munin the deimos is the absolute pimp mobile How about nerf the vagabond and your munin will look a lot better..... exactly, so go make your own thread with your own numbers and stuff. Also stop comparing fitting long range guns to fitting short range guns, try fitting rails on a deimos and then you can compare it to the munin or zealot or whatever. im all for nerfing the vagabond! Give the Vaga the mass and agility of a deimos mwahahahahahaha! Oh dear. please balance our shippy Tuxford :( ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.

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