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DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
512
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:49:00 -
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My corp hardly ever has coms.
its one of the things that makes pvping difficult as hell. When I had coms working, before I took my small break and mothballed, things went rather well witht he core group in alliance.
It can be done without coms, but its harder. trust me, after trying it for 10 years, mostly no coms, I've getting off my lazy butt and getting coms setup. |
Marsha Mallow
538
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:27:00 -
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Not to be overly critical but your corp info has this description:
3.5% tax rate. Looking for people that want to have good times and hang out.
That doesn't suggest a corp where comms would be a requirement, so whoever is getting frustrated trying to implement it needs to have a think about the types of players attracted to info like that. There are loads of players who, for various reasons (which they shouldn't really be required to justify), want to play casually and find comms for the sake of it irritating.
You can implement it gradually, an early corp I was in did, although initially a handful of us just used ingame voice and encouraged people but didnt force them. We shifted the corp towards mandatory comms during wardecs (for obvious reasons) because we always took the opportunity to fight. That was a corp committed to building up a memberbase and leaving Empire long term though, and as we shifted policies we made sure to send regular corp mails and update the corp info so new recruits were aware and had the opportunity to find somewhere else if it didn't suit.
One of the best ways to encourage comms use is to arrange regular corp meetings to chat about corp direction/things people would like to do. Chatting is fine socially, but if you build some purpose into it people will get used to it and moan less. Scheduled times helps a lot, some just resent being forced to be on it permenantly. Pre-arranged ops are another popular one. I wouldn't get too worked up about people without mics or who prefer to be muted though. Unless they are FC or scout, as long as they don't semi afk it's not an issue, it teaches good fleet comms discipline in some ways. I'm one of those almost persistently muted unless I have to be because I'm either listening to music or hilariously drunk :P
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Lugalbandak
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
475
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:40:00 -
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I just cant type that much/fast with just chit chat , nevermind a fleet , fleet chat would be a huge mess(even with comms it is sometimes)
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Galison
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:17:00 -
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Just use eve voice works fine. My group only uses it. Be it we do so mostly as we involve a lot of new players and its simpler then making someone try to download ts or vent install and connect. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
249
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:23:00 -
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But gais, my privacy!
Comms are great. Except when a certain someone soundboards a certain turtle over and over.
This is as nice as I get.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5276
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:43:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Lisa Gentilette wrote:And what if I can listen in with a headset but due to the "environment" I'm unable to speak? Then at least you're on comms and can listen.
What if I'm deaf?
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Rayo Atra
Traps 'R' Us
Advanced Amateurs
44
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:46:00 -
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Quote:
I think a lot of people may disagree but Mumble too is crucial for fleets. I couldn't log on the first couple days in BNI and I was constantly a couple of jumps behind my fleet and not following directions. I was more of a liability than an ally.
This really sums it up. A good FC might even be concerned/sidetracked with getting the straggler in line, or caught up, and make some large mistake that might end up costing everyone.
you're either on the team or you're not. This gray area/casual nonsense has no place in a progressive corp looking to move up in the world. If you're shooting rocks/npc's in highsec, maybe its not an issue because you are not effecting anyone elses gameplay. Anything beyond that, get over your issues/shyness/laziness and get setup. Be proactive about your problems, be innovative about your solutions, instead of being thankful you have an "acceptable" excuse that removes the obligation.
Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.
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Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:00:00 -
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I don't care to be on comms, If I must login I normally just listen and type any responses I have. Unless I am pvping and am playing the role of scout. I also don't use comms when I do bad things to people, gives them direct access to yelling at me directly. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
252
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:23:00 -
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Personally, I dislike mumble and ventrillo. But that is way way WAY besides the point.
I enjoy being on comms, but you will often see me online, but not on comms, or the other way around. It's more of a chat room than a tool to play the game effectively, for me anyway.
I have done PVE and PVP without comms before, and although it went well, i'd rather just speak and have something happen, than to have to type it out, watch out for typos, go back, fix formatting, oh crap someone is typing along with me, so i have to wait for him to stop or tell him to shut up, oh great now it's someone replying to him. Guys, I need reps, shut it. Read my text damnit, i need cap and reps......
Kind of deal.
This is as nice as I get.
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Jegrey Dozer
A Separate Peace
8
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:36:00 -
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No comms = removal from the corp
There is essentially no difference between a NPC corp and a player made corp without comms.
What purpose does a member serve if they never communicate? You will never be able to assemble a proper fleet without comms. Does not matter if it's for pvp or pve. If they are in the game for solo play, they might was well not play the game. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1351
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:54:00 -
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Elmonky wrote:What's the general feeling with regards to using Comms in Corp?
Had a few mails bandied around corp recently where our more experienced lo/nullbear was getting frustrated in the lack of members on Comms despite having access. I'm in the process of getting some of the newer players to get on Comms without resorting to rage. I even had someone quit today because he though being on Comms was infantile.
*insert obligatory grr, hi sec carebear, lol noobs here*
I am of the opinion that Comms is a good thing but I am also a lazy so and so and rarely log in unless we are doing anything - bad mojo I know, and I am changing that myself.
is anyone in a Corp that has been successful WITHOUT Comms?
Thanks
edit: fat fingered spelling mistakes
If your corp live outside high sec.. or in high sec during a war being on comms is NOT optional. At the very minimal LISTENING on comms.
No excuses...
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
787
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:59:00 -
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Text fleets die quicker than any other fleet, under pressure. For dumber reasons too.
My 6 yr old daughter got on comms once and the FC, one Mandozer by name, totally dialled back the N***** / F***** terminology.
Which was nice.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1551
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Posted - 2014.05.13 23:41:00 -
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Every corporation is different, but in general most will say that during things such as fleets and general PVP operations you have to be able to at least listen.
However, since most/many FC's prefer that people are quiet during these operations unless your a scout or similar, your rarely required to actually talk. Because of this its also generally "easy" for people who are mute to get access to corporations that has voice comms as one of their requirements.
But if your deaf things suddenly become a lot more complicated and i know that some will simply just refuse you to join their corporations, while others will be understanding and have patient members that are willing to rely messages as well as they can trough fleet/private chat.
But note, this is only during fleets.
Personally i would never wish to join a corporation that requires me to be on voice 100% of the time im actually online. Sometimes im in the mood to small chat, other times i simply want to just log on and do my own thing and be half way afk while chatting in corp chat while making dinner or watching TV or listening to music.
Of course if there is an operation that im a part of i take it for granted that i should be on voice, and if i refused to be on voice during an operation for no other reason then "i dont feel like it" the fleet should remove me.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
Disturbed Acquaintance
8136
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Posted - 2014.05.13 23:48:00 -
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voluntary unless in a fleet operation. even then you only need to listen and follow commands. unless of course you are fc. lol |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2330
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Posted - 2014.05.14 02:24:00 -
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I'm on coms when there is fleet business to do. Otherwise I'm not on coms. I have no desire to hear about other people's crappy day at work. I had one too thanks.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1083
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Posted - 2014.05.14 02:35:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If they don't want to bother being on comms, don't even give them time to quit, kick them from the corp.
I don't do voice.
It's not needed.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
787
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Posted - 2014.05.14 02:37:00 -
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"Destination is in fleet, set for shortest route, align outgate....take fleet warp. Anybody not on comms is gettin kicked because you're a dirty awoxin spai who's on the batphone to reds right now."
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Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
251
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:06:00 -
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I once fced a gank fleet from a work computer without coms. But most of the fleet was well drilled, the warping work was delegated to scouts, and most instructions and confirmations were in broadcasts and short fleet lingo like www, jjj , L, fire and RUN. The New Order still has ad hoc fleets that run like that.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1474
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:39:00 -
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When i was young my mother requested me to write paper letters to my grandmother. It is not easy and teaches you to write down your thoughts and ideas. Because every mistake you make, every wrongly presented thing can lead to misunderstanding. And it will be solved only after some long time....
Modern people don't send letters. They just write SMS or call. This makes people speak longer and thing less about what they say. Because every misunderstanding in conversation can be solved right here.
So yes, comms are important. Because many people can't even write what they want to say 
Personally after long working day the last thing i want to have is listening to general nonsense people talk in comms when they have nothing to say actually. And yes, most of the time nothing worth getting into comms is being talked.
Yes, when i'm in fleet comms are MUST HAVE but when i'm just doing my solo business i don't join comms. Or i join and mute and silence it. Win/Win
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Nakami Saans
Perkone
Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:47:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:
Modern people don't send letters. They just write SMS or call. This makes people speak longer and thing less about what they say. Because every misunderstanding in conversation can be solved right here.
This is why I write down everything I want to say when I'm angry. It helps me to refine what I want to say instead of spouting hurtful BS out of anger. It also calms me down.
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Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
66
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Posted - 2014.05.14 09:02:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If they don't want to bother being on comms, don't even give them time to quit, kick them from the corp. I don't do voice. It's not needed.
I was on voice with you once...
Was a nice evening. I learned a lot!
;)
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