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Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:55:00 -
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What purpose does this ship, if any, fill in a PvP setting?
Which PvP settings does it excel in (solo, small gang, large gang, blob)?
What are some other ships that fulfill a similar role, and what are their
strengths and weakness in comparison to the Amarr Armageddon? |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
37
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:07:00 -
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Cap warfare.
Mostly small and large gang, blob support can be useful I guess.
Bhaalgorn does it better but costs 1b+, curse has a similar role but is a recon. Ashimu too, upcoming faction cruiser changes should make it viable. Both the ashimu and curse as cruiser hulls can only wield medium neuts compared to the Armageddon larges. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5408
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:09:00 -
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Pro-tip: look at the bonuses
Basically it can reach out and touch things with Heavy Neuts out to ~36 kms... field 5 heavy/sentry drones with lots of room for extras... and has the option of using any Turret or Missile Launcher (but with no bonuses towards them).
The Dominix can do almost all the same things as the Armageddon... but instead of the neuting range bonus it has a drone damage application bonus (tracking)... it cannot fit any missiles... and it has slightly less armor.
Basically... the Amageddon is beefy Electronic Warfare ship reminiscent of the Curse (Tech 2 Recon Cruiser) with the option of fitting for damage.
Like all battleships, it shines when supported by others and is more lackluster when solo (because it is VERY slow and easily caught)... but it can hold its own against smaller ships better than most of its battleship peers and cause a bit of concern for capital pilots (due to its neutring range).
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out
Shadow Cartel
10
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:10:00 -
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It's a disposable nueting ship. It takes their cap away so they can't do stuff.
The role it fills is pretty similar to a Bhaal or Nuet legion, but with better range (less nueting power than a bhaalgorn, and less tank than a nuet legion), but for around 1/4 the cost. Compared to a nuet Abaddon, you trade an 8th heavy nuet and ~50-60k EHP (I think? Something like that?) for tons of range.
The main thing to keep in mind, is that while it does have a range bonus, it actualy nuets for LESS than any 8-highslot nuet fit BS (like an Abaddon) since it has no bonus to nuet amount. Thus 'geddons are best when fighting mid/long range ships that are somewhat mobile (other BSs, BCs and cruisers). Against capitals especialy, but also any sort of brawling ship (blaster boats and armor BCs and the like) any nuet amount bonused ship is going to be better, or a resist bonused 8 high slot BS (abaddon being the most popular). |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1354
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:59:00 -
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Vivec Septim wrote:What purpose does this ship, if any, fill in a PvP setting?
Which PvP settings does it excel in (solo, small gang, large gang, blob)?
What are some other ships that fulfill a similar role, and what are their
strengths and weakness in comparison to the Amarr Armageddon?
Dude.. check its bonuses. More obvious is impossible. IF there is ONE battleship whose role is clear as crystal is the geddon
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1354
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:00:00 -
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Shey Nabali wrote:It's a disposable nueting ship. It takes their cap away so they can't do stuff.
The role it fills is pretty similar to a Bhaal or Nuet legion, but with better range (less nueting power than a bhaalgorn, and less tank than a nuet legion), but for around 1/4 the cost. Compared to a nuet Abaddon, you trade an 8th heavy nuet and ~50-60k EHP (I think? Something like that?) for tons of range.
The main thing to keep in mind, is that while it does have a range bonus, it actualy nuets for LESS than any 8-highslot nuet fit BS (like an Abaddon) since it has no bonus to nuet amount. Thus 'geddons are best when fighting mid/long range ships that are somewhat mobile (other BSs, BCs and cruisers). Against capitals especialy, but also any sort of brawling ship (blaster boats and armor BCs and the like) any nuet amount bonused ship is going to be better, or a resist bonused 8 high slot BS (abaddon being the most popular).
That theorethycal abaddon of yours, besides haveing way shorter range on neuts.. will do near zero dps. WHile the geddon still can dish a VERY reasonable DPS ammount.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
vyshnegradsky
Love Squad
Pasta Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:07:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Shey Nabali wrote:It's a disposable nueting ship. It takes their cap away so they can't do stuff.
The role it fills is pretty similar to a Bhaal or Nuet legion, but with better range (less nueting power than a bhaalgorn, and less tank than a nuet legion), but for around 1/4 the cost. Compared to a nuet Abaddon, you trade an 8th heavy nuet and ~50-60k EHP (I think? Something like that?) for tons of range.
The main thing to keep in mind, is that while it does have a range bonus, it actualy nuets for LESS than any 8-highslot nuet fit BS (like an Abaddon) since it has no bonus to nuet amount. Thus 'geddons are best when fighting mid/long range ships that are somewhat mobile (other BSs, BCs and cruisers). Against capitals especialy, but also any sort of brawling ship (blaster boats and armor BCs and the like) any nuet amount bonused ship is going to be better, or a resist bonused 8 high slot BS (abaddon being the most popular). That theorethycal abaddon of yours, besides haveing way shorter range on neuts.. will do near zero dps. WHile the geddon still can dish a VERY reasonable DPS ammount.
Who cares? It's role in that scenario isn't to apply DPS. Infact, by dropping the hardeners on an enemy ship you will end up doing alot more damage then before, more than making up for the loss of DPS on the Abaddon.
This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
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Jack Miton
Rolled Out
3383
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:21:00 -
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It's main role in PVP is making sure solo PVP isnt a thing since everyone in a small gang has geddons now and you can't engage it solo in basically anything.
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General Nusense
Not Posting With My Main
177
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:11:00 -
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the ship is a former shadow of itself, now its just a big target with no real purpose.
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Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:00:00 -
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Thank you for the replies;
I was aware of the bonuses
but not of the meta and its
relations to others. I now
have a better point of view.
+1 to the EVE community. (except for that one guy) |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
Constructive. Criticism.
101
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:36:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:the ship is a former shadow of itself, now its just a big target with no real purpose.
hmm, i love it for pvp purposes. Ok Bhaal is stronger but the 12km is great and the drone damage is reasonable too. |
Harbonah
Rubicon Spears
70
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:20:00 -
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To be honest it has plenty of useful roles. For example:
PVE Ship:
Cruise Missile Launchers
2 X Drone Range Augmentations
3X Drone Damage Aug II's
Sensor Booster with Targeting Range Script
2X Drone Range Optimization Modules with scripts
Presto, you've got a PVE battleship capable of dealing 700-1000 DPS with T1 Sentry Drones and Cruise Missiles out to 85k
It also makes a good pvp bait ship.
3 X Heavy Neut
3 X Medium Neut
1 X Drone range Aug
3 X Drone damage Aug
Drone Optimal Range Module
Dual Webs and a Warp Scram
T1 or T2 Sentry drones or Ogre II's
Makes a perfect bait ship to kill people who love to get up close and personal with Battleship or Battlecruiser. Support it with a T2 Guardian Logi and it will hold a Megathron all day long while eating it caps and wearing down it's armor. Any ship smaller than a battleship will have it's cap drained in a single cycle.
I've found with EVE you have to be inventive. There are always "optimal ways" to do things according to the statistic obsessive basement dwelling min/max crowd. However, I've also found when you do things that go against the grain, it really screws people up and they don't adaptive to your wierd choices before they end up flying away in their pod.
Experiment and find your own style. |
Le'Mon Tichim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:09:00 -
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It's a golden 'make-you-cry' machine.
Need a dedicated neut boat with beefy tank? Fit it with such.
Need a large dps boat with utility neuts? RLHM's and DDA's.
Need to make Logi cry? See the first fit, and fill the mids with sensor damps.
Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful.
http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
163
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Posted - 2014.05.16 22:18:00 -
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specific case that I used it for was a tengu killer. Neut out their tank and let friends/drones do the damage.
Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
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Orla- King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 00:03:00 -
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Vivec Septim wrote:
+1 to the EVE community. (except for that one guy)
Looool, every now and again someone says something like this that absolutely encompasses the community, love it.
What a fantastic comments .
+1 from me good sir. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
479
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Posted - 2014.05.17 00:14:00 -
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Get the Navy Geddon.
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
180
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:37:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Get the Navy Geddon.
Navy Geddon is a completely different ship than the modern Geddon. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
798
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:44:00 -
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I hope they leave the Navy Geddon alone. I liked the old Geddon a lot. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
484
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Posted - 2014.05.18 02:48:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Get the Navy Geddon. Navy Geddon is a completely different ship than the modern Geddon.
Ya think?
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
426
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Posted - 2014.05.18 09:37:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I hope they leave the Navy Geddon alone. I liked the old Geddon a lot.
RIP 3 Heatsink gank Geddons ;_; |
Kasutra
Tailor Company
Company Company
276
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Posted - 2014.05.18 12:12:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I hope they leave the Navy Geddon alone. I liked the old Geddon a lot.
Pretty sure they kept it that way precisely so you could continue to have your old ship.
See also: Fleet Hurricane, Navy Dominix. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages
Shadow Cartel
243
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Posted - 2014.05.20 04:21:00 -
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Armageddons often hit the field when there is a big fight with logi on the field for both sides. 7 heavy neuts goes a long way to helping your fleet break the spider tank. The fact that it reaches ~37 km as well means you don't even have to worry about being very mobile and your large rack of low slots will make it very easy for your logi to not only get reps on you but even use you to bait tank. In some cases where you may need to worry about a curse being primaried and killed before it catches reps the Geddon checks its armor gauge and laughs in the aggressor's face.
TBH i feel it's arguably the best battleship at the moment for PvP and if not it's certainly one that sees a good deal of use in small gang for reasons above. The Domi can do most of what the Armageddon does but the neut range bonus puts the Armageddon on top for the role I would use either ship for in PvP, but that could just be me. DPS addition from drones is not overwhelming but nothing to scoff at either. I hated the Geddon changes when they were announced but I have to admit it really grew on me. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
271
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:28:00 -
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vyshnegradsky wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Shey Nabali wrote:The main thing to keep in mind, is that while it does have a range bonus, it actualy nuets for LESS than any 8-highslot nuet fit BS (like an Abaddon) since it has no bonus to nuet amount. Thus 'geddons are best when fighting mid/long range ships that are somewhat mobile (other BSs, BCs and cruisers). Against capitals especialy, but also any sort of brawling ship (blaster boats and armor BCs and the like) any nuet amount bonused ship is going to be better, or a resist bonused 8 high slot BS (abaddon being the most popular). That theorethycal abaddon of yours, besides haveing way shorter range on neuts.. will do near zero dps. WHile the geddon still can dish a VERY reasonable DPS ammount. Who cares? It's role in that scenario isn't to apply DPS. Infact, by dropping the hardeners on an enemy ship you will end up doing alot more damage then before, more than making up for the loss of DPS on the Abaddon.
Its role isn't to deal DPS... but if you have two pilots capable of flying Amarr in a small gang you'll get more out of having both of them in 'geddons than having one in a neut Abaddon and one in a damage Abaddon - and because the threat of switching off hardeners is an important consideration the added redundancy is also of value. |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:37:00 -
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lost my blingageddon the other night; going to refit another soon using these recommendations for pve, with a Micro Warp Drive for those missions that love to put you in the middle of everyone. Also, Geckos are amazing! |
Job Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
562
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:45:00 -
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This being a thread about my fav ship of all time I have only one opinion.
It's a god damn Killdozer
"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
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